Chronological order of the New Testament
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A Christian is a Christian by spirit, not law.
And that spirit is Love.
You cannot have more than you need while others are suffering and also have the spirit of Love. Its not rocket science is it?
Religion is nonsense. God sent us Jesus. and people turned Jesus into religion.
But Love is simple and pure and everything that matters.
Following Jesus is this...
Be overjoyed that you exist. That YOU have a place in creation and YOU know it.
And that you have food to eat and a place to sleep, and more than that, company that accepts you.
After that, out of Love, do your best to help others find this place because that is why God gave us Jesus.
Ask yourself if your yoke is easy and your burden is light. And if it isn't, then ask yourself why!
Following Jesus means your spirit is trained by God's Spirit to love holiness, which is Love.
And a holy person says, "I am grateful that I am, even if I don't have food and shelter, and I love other people, and forgive them, and want the best for them and love them, no matter what."
And, if that is the state you find your own spirit to be, then you are very blessed indeed.
And that spirit is Love.
You cannot have more than you need while others are suffering and also have the spirit of Love. Its not rocket science is it?
Religion is nonsense. God sent us Jesus. and people turned Jesus into religion.
But Love is simple and pure and everything that matters.
Following Jesus is this...
Be overjoyed that you exist. That YOU have a place in creation and YOU know it.
And that you have food to eat and a place to sleep, and more than that, company that accepts you.
After that, out of Love, do your best to help others find this place because that is why God gave us Jesus.
Ask yourself if your yoke is easy and your burden is light. And if it isn't, then ask yourself why!
Following Jesus means your spirit is trained by God's Spirit to love holiness, which is Love.
And a holy person says, "I am grateful that I am, even if I don't have food and shelter, and I love other people, and forgive them, and want the best for them and love them, no matter what."
And, if that is the state you find your own spirit to be, then you are very blessed indeed.
If you need a car but you buy a Tesla, then you are taking.
But don't you see... why should you eat while another starves? Surely a Christian should want to be like Jesus. And did Jesus ever take MORE than He needed while others didn't have their basic needs met?
The LOVE God showed us in Jesus has the power to make mankind One.
But don't you see... why should you eat while another starves? Surely a Christian should want to be like Jesus. And did Jesus ever take MORE than He needed while others didn't have their basic needs met?
The LOVE God showed us in Jesus has the power to make mankind One.
K
Yes, you should give all you can to those in need, after you provide for your own family. But the Bible says that those that won't work don't deserve to eat. If a person can't work that's different. There are all kinds of outreaches in this country to help those in need and the church is behind many of them. For the most part Americans are the most generous in the world. They give more to the needy, they help and are the first on the scene in disasters, they take in people from all over the world. If you work and make good money and give as the Lord has asked of you, what you buy with the rest of your money is your business. If you want to buy the most expensive car on the lot, that doesn't make you un- Christian. But certainly if God has blessed you, be a blessing to others. But all stats show that Christians are the most generous with their money.
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Taking more than one needs does not "deChristianize" anyone. Perhaps you should review what makes someone a Christian in the first place. Taking only what you need is not part of it.
It's fine if you want to claim that greed is not consistent with Christian belief, but choose your words more carefully.
It's fine if you want to claim that greed is not consistent with Christian belief, but choose your words more carefully.
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Mammon is not a blessing. It is a curse. And God doesn't bless people with a curse.
You cannot serve God AND mammon.
That which is much esteemed by men is an abomination to God.
But, rather, lay up for yourselves treasure in heaven.
Go, sell all you have and give to the poor, and come, follow Me, and you will have treasure in heaven.
For I was naked and you did not clothe me, and hungry and you did not feed me.
Assuredly I tell you, this woman gave more than all of them, for she gave everything she had, yet they cast in only from their abundance.
Didn't we this and that, in Your Name?
Depart from Me, ye workers of iniquity. I never knew you!
You cannot serve God AND mammon.
That which is much esteemed by men is an abomination to God.
But, rather, lay up for yourselves treasure in heaven.
Go, sell all you have and give to the poor, and come, follow Me, and you will have treasure in heaven.
For I was naked and you did not clothe me, and hungry and you did not feed me.
Assuredly I tell you, this woman gave more than all of them, for she gave everything she had, yet they cast in only from their abundance.
Didn't we this and that, in Your Name?
Depart from Me, ye workers of iniquity. I never knew you!
Paul,
As you and I have discussed at length about some things you're facing in your own life publicly in another thread...
You regularly condemn people having what you view as excess money in many threads across the forum.
But can you answer this one question honestly?
What would happen if you first lived by what you are telling everyone else to do -- what if you used all the money you spend on beer every day to help others instead? What kind of good could you be doing for others, instead of telling others what to do?
Let's put a verse you keep using in a more personal light: You cannot serve both God, and what you feel is your personal need for alcohol.
You, like the audience you are trying to preach to, are going to have to choose.
Have you even looked at Calibob's recovery thread that I left you the link for in the other thread?
As you and I have discussed at length about some things you're facing in your own life publicly in another thread...
You regularly condemn people having what you view as excess money in many threads across the forum.
But can you answer this one question honestly?
What would happen if you first lived by what you are telling everyone else to do -- what if you used all the money you spend on beer every day to help others instead? What kind of good could you be doing for others, instead of telling others what to do?
Let's put a verse you keep using in a more personal light: You cannot serve both God, and what you feel is your personal need for alcohol.
You, like the audience you are trying to preach to, are going to have to choose.
Have you even looked at Calibob's recovery thread that I left you the link for in the other thread?
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I agree, as a very long time ago I dated a severe alcoholic for 3 years, and I'll never do it again.
I know he won't listen, but the purpose of my post is to help others decide if they want to continue the discussion with him, and in which direction they want to take it in.
And I do pray that every now and then, posts like this might be even be just a slight jolt that maybe, just maybe, will make him stop and at least think about earnestly turning in a different direction.
We all have things in our lives we don't want to give up.
I know he won't listen, but the purpose of my post is to help others decide if they want to continue the discussion with him, and in which direction they want to take it in.
And I do pray that every now and then, posts like this might be even be just a slight jolt that maybe, just maybe, will make him stop and at least think about earnestly turning in a different direction.
We all have things in our lives we don't want to give up.
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I look at Christianity and Christians and my spirit tells me they are nothing to do with Jesus.
So, I definitely don't want to just fall into line and go along with them.
I want to try something different to what they are doing, and see if that different thing is better.
And if it isn't, then I want to try something else.
Christians and Christianity is disgusting to me, and I know it is wrong, but I KNOW Jesus is right.
So, I want to shake things up. Because leaving a broken thing alone won't fix it.
For as long as I can remember, at least 30 years, I have been trying to get alcohol out of my life.
But, I recognize the real problem is the lack of The Truth among people.
And so, that is my focus.
If I had waited till I was sober before I ever posted then, I still would not have posted at all, and we wouldn't have exchanged some words and thoughts, and, personally, I don't think that would have helped either of us.
Me not drinking beer is not the answer, although I continually try to stop.
And, unless we keep looking in different places, we won't find it.
Thank you for the time and words you have given me.
So, I definitely don't want to just fall into line and go along with them.
I want to try something different to what they are doing, and see if that different thing is better.
And if it isn't, then I want to try something else.
Christians and Christianity is disgusting to me, and I know it is wrong, but I KNOW Jesus is right.
So, I want to shake things up. Because leaving a broken thing alone won't fix it.
For as long as I can remember, at least 30 years, I have been trying to get alcohol out of my life.
But, I recognize the real problem is the lack of The Truth among people.
And so, that is my focus.
If I had waited till I was sober before I ever posted then, I still would not have posted at all, and we wouldn't have exchanged some words and thoughts, and, personally, I don't think that would have helped either of us.
Me not drinking beer is not the answer, although I continually try to stop.
And, unless we keep looking in different places, we won't find it.
Thank you for the time and words you have given me.
Is one of the different places you're looking at in the Bible? And hopefully, the whole Bible, since you had said you'd given up the Old Testament.
I strongly disagree with many of the things you state, such as telling another user in a different thread that looking at porn is no different from eating ice cream.
But I do hope you'll make the choices needed to allow God to help you, and I will be praying and hoping for your recovery.
I strongly disagree with many of the things you state, such as telling another user in a different thread that looking at porn is no different from eating ice cream.
But I do hope you'll make the choices needed to allow God to help you, and I will be praying and hoping for your recovery.
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K
Right, you can't serve two masters. If money is your master and your first love that you put before God and family that's wrong. But that's not true of everyone that has money. And it's not a curse, not if used properly and put in it's rightful place. There were rich women that gave to Jesus, did He tell them they were wrong?
The rich young ruler loved money more than God.
How do you feed someone if you're broke?
Verses taken out of context....
The rich young ruler loved money more than God.
How do you feed someone if you're broke?
Verses taken out of context....
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