Works

[Blik]

who are you talking to? I posted about Jesus

what is this nonsense you have come up with?

You posted about that we cannot keep the law, that is in your post. You were relating this to the law itself.

I am so sorry you feel you must speak so against the law, and sorry you use my posts to do this. The law is holy, it is good, scripture tells us so. Please listen to scripture.

 

[tourist]

I just read all of psalms 119 again i took this passage.

Oh, how I love your law!
I meditate on it all day long.
Your commands are always with me.
and make me wiser than my enemies.

The reason why i took this passage is because the enemy is smart and to defeat the enemy we need to be smarter.

The other lovely passage on the law is to have a day of rest from the law. because law = works, We are told to have a rest from works. Which you can rest in anytime too
Hebrews 4:9
9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[a] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

So to rest in his law means our obedience will flow effortlessy obediance there for = works. so if we have rest in his sabath rest we honour his law obey his law and do good works. which leads to rest. also eternal rest = eternal salvation, this is why where given this holly law which is to rest in his law

Very good passage about the law that you provided in Psalm 119. If David loved the law and meditated on it back in the day then what is happening now that those would hate the law in this day and age? Interesting passage from Hebrews too about there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

 

[SophieT]

You posted about that we cannot keep the law, that is in your post. You were relating this to the law itself.

I am so sorry you feel you must speak so against the law, and sorry you use my posts to do this. The law is holy, it is good, scripture tells us so. Please listen to scripture.

can you actually respond to scripture I posted if you care to address me instead of the nonsense above?

here is the scripture again
(as we all can see and hopefully you as well, the word of God itself tells us we cannot keep the law, so you are ignoring the Bible if you think you can keep the law)


Romans 8:3 — New Living Translation (NLT)
3 The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.

 

[Blik]

can you actually respond to scripture I posted if you care to address me instead of the nonsense above?

here is the scripture again
(as we all can see and hopefully you as well, the word of God itself tells us we cannot keep the law, so you are ignoring the Bible if you think you can keep the law)


Romans 8:3 — New Living Translation (NLT)
3 The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.

My post was responding to your statements about the fact that we can't fulfill the law perfectly, what is your reason for changing the subject?

 

[SophieT]

My post was responding to your statements about the fact that we can't fulfill the law perfectly, what is your reason for changing the subject?

there is a verse in the book of Proverbs that I am thinking of right now. however, I will refrain and again ask you why you cannot seem able to respond to scripture instead of trying so hard to create some kind of false dilemma

how about this? the Bible, the word of God, tells us that the law of Moses is unable to save us. Don't blame me. LOL!

I'm still talking about Jesus. same subject which you seem unable to connect with. JESUS

Romans 8:3 — New Living Translation (NLT)
3 The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.

 

[Blik]

there is a verse in the book of Proverbs that I am thinking of right now. however, I will refrain and again ask you why you cannot seem able to respond to scripture instead of trying so hard to create some kind of false dilemma

how about this? the Bible, the word of God, tells us that the law of Moses is unable to save us. Don't blame me. LOL!

I'm still talking about Jesus. same subject which you seem unable to connect with. JESUS

Romans 8:3 — New Living Translation (NLT)
3 The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.

I did not respond to your scriptures because they did not apply or respond to what the posts were about.

Have you found one time I have said the law saves? What do you read in my posts about saying what saves? Over and over I repeat scripture telling us it is faith that is the key to salvation.

What you tell the world in your posts you are also telling Jesus, and if you are telling Jesus that the only way you would consider following Him in obedience would be if that obedience gave you salvation, then you are right. Following the law is never going to result in your salvation.

 

[de-emerald]

Very good passage about the law that you provided in Psalm 119. If David loved the law and meditated on it back in the day then what is happening now that those would hate the law in this day and age? Interesting passage from Hebrews too about there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

are job is to obey the law the best we can. i think the problem is to many people equate the law to Gods wrath and then become defensive, That Jesus loves them.

People will do this automaticaly in there mind without realising it. Ive noticed this trend that people assume your equating works and the law to Gods wrath that your automaticaly assuming your doing good works or obeying the law to avoid Gods Judgemenet, I think theres many in here that live in fear of Gods Judgement but they dont know that they are, and then they get defensive. In turn they do the same thing and preach a side of Gods law that avoids Gods Judgement to, which is we are free from the curse of law, or the law does not save you or we are not under the law, its the same thought in mind that everyone in some way or another is in fear of Gods Judgement. and want to avoid Gods Judgement and this is how you do it etc.

Both sides are still in fear of the lord and come to know the lord lol

 

[SophieT]

I did not respond to your scriptures because they did not apply or respond to what the posts were about.

Have you found one time I have said the law saves? What do you read in my posts about saying what saves? Over and over I repeat scripture telling us it is faith that is the key to salvation.

What you tell the world in your posts you are also telling Jesus, and if you are telling Jesus that the only way you would consider following Him in obedience would be if that obedience gave you salvation, then you are right. Following the law is never going to result in your salvation.

more dodging I see

no surprise there

you simply cannot handle anything in scripture indicating salvation is through Christ alone

 

[SophieT]

are job is to obey the law the best we can. i think the problem is to many people equate the law to Gods wrath and then become defensive, That Jesus loves them.

Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8: 1-4

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

If David loved the law and meditated on it back in the day then what is happening now that those would hate the law in this day and age?

Precious friend, those of us, Under God's PURE GRACE, Today,
who do not "hate the law," but understand THIS...:

1Ti_1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but For the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners,
for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of
mothers, for manslayers,

Gal_3:24 Wherefore the law WAS our schoolmaster to bring us
unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. { God's Simple Will! }
Gal_3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer
under a schoolmaster.

...Then we, who do not "hate the law," know, and obey THIS:

(2) The law IS FULFILLED "In ONE WORD: LOVE!" (Gal 5:14; Rom 13:8-10 KJB!)

(3) Thus, there is no need for us {righteous} to "fret And worry {sin}" over
613/10 commandments That God Says Are "for the UNrighteous," Correct?

Very Simple, God's Way, Under PURE GRACE, right?:

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore LOVE IS The Fulfilling of the law!

Be Blessed!

 

[Blik]

Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8: 1-4

This is the core of Christianity, it is so good to have these scriptures repeated. But if they are repeated in order to wipe out and eliminate anything the Lord tells us about obedience to Him, then even the word of the Lord is distorted.

It would be a distortion of scripture to quote everything the Lord says about obedience in order to try to say it is obedience that is the principle aim of the Lord, for that is not true. In the same way it is a distortion to say the passages of truth you post takes away scripture telling us to obey.

 

[SophieT]

This is the core of Christianity, it is so good to have these scriptures repeated. But if they are repeated in order to wipe out and eliminate anything the Lord tells us about obedience to Him, then even the word of the Lord is distorted.

It would be a distortion of scripture to quote everything the Lord says about obedience in order to try to say it is obedience that is the principle aim of the Lord, for that is not true. In the same way it is a distortion to say the passages of truth you post takes away scripture telling us to obey.

just nonsense

no one is wiping anything out or wants to wipe anything out

In the same way it is a distortion to say the passages of truth you post takes away scripture telling us to obey.[

since I never said any such thing I conclude that your comprehension is not too good

you could ask yourself why I post these scriptures if I don't believe them, but your purpose seems more to be along the lines of finding fault where there is none

 

[Blik]

just nonsense

no one is wiping anything out or wants to wipe anything out



since I never said any such thing I conclude that your comprehension is not too good

you could ask yourself why I post these scriptures if I don't believe them, but your purpose seems more to be along the lines of finding fault where there is none

I believe them too, but I believe ALL scripture. I believe God wants us to be saved through faith, it is God's first thought for us. But I also believe God wants our life on this earth to be worthwhile, and to be worthwhile it must live within His kingdom.

We pray "thy kingdom come, thy will be done". God wants that for us as well as God wants us saved from our sins through faith in Christ.

When someone speaks of this, the automatic answer should be thank you Father, not that we are not saved by working for the kingdom.

 

[SophieT]

I believe them too, but I believe ALL scripture. I believe God wants us to be saved through faith, it is God's first thought for us. But I also believe God wants our life on this earth to be worthwhile, and to be worthwhile it must live within His kingdom.

We pray "thy kingdom come, thy will be done". God wants that for us as well as God wants us saved from our sins through faith in Christ.

When someone speaks of this, the automatic answer should be thank you Father, not that we are not saved by working for the kingdom.

oh brother

yes of course. you alone in this entire forum believe all of scripture

you must have injured your arm by now with all the patting of your own back that you do

do you believe this scripture? but believe it as it is written without twisting it to include the law in it or obedience to the law or a mashup of the law and faith?

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6

see what Jesus says there? no law no obedience to the law and no combo of law and Jesus

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2

and how about this ^^^ one? God says works do not save. why? so one one can boast about how good they are and how they obey and work. you constantly say things that do not agree with these verses

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3

see that? we can never attain God's glory no matter how many works or how much obedience we attribute to ourselves.

Paul says to put no confidence in the flesh, so believing works somehow contribute to salvation or God's approval flies in the face of truth

the good works are works done in the power of the Holy Spirit...plenty of people do good works without being saved but they do not do them in the power or leading of the Holy Spirit

the only responses you seem to give, are falsely accusing others of not believing the Bible

maybe God is actually trying to say that to you since you argue so much with what the NT states

 

[Dino246]

I believe them too, but I believe ALL scripture.

Do you believe these verses?

Galatians 2:19 For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God.

Galatians 3:2-3 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?

Galatians 5:14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new", he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

 

[Blik]

oh brother

yes of course. you alone in this entire forum believe all of scripture

you must have injured your arm by now with all the patting of your own back that you do

do you believe this scripture? but believe it as it is written without twisting it to include the law in it or obedience to the law or a mashup of the law and faith?

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6

see what Jesus says there? no law no obedience to the law and no combo of law and Jesus

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2

and how about this ^^^ one? God says works do not save. why? so one one can boast about how good they are and how they obey and work. you constantly say things that do not agree with these verses

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3

see that? we can never attain God's glory no matter how many works or how much obedience we attribute to ourselves.

Paul says to put no confidence in the flesh, so believing works somehow contribute to salvation or God's approval flies in the face of truth

the good works are works done in the power of the Holy Spirit...plenty of people do good works without being saved but they do not do them in the power or leading of the Holy Spirit

the only responses you seem to give, are falsely accusing others of not believing the Bible

maybe God is actually trying to say that to you since you argue so much with what the NT states

Perhaps it is a loosing battle to present the scripture telling us of scriptures about works, obedience, or the kingdom of God, but I keep thinking it is worthwhile to tell the world of how God looks at these things. There seems to be a solid wall against any of these scriptures, I only get negative feed back except for the very few. God tells us that there is always a remnant.

Praise the Lord, the majority of Christians are not against faith in Christ, and that is the core, the basic principle, the all important understanding we are to have. So go ahead with all your rants against working for the Lord, so be it.

 

[Dino246]

Perhaps it is a loosing battle to present the scripture telling us of scriptures about works, obedience, or the kingdom of God, but I keep thinking it is worthwhile to tell the world of how God looks at these things. There seems to be a solid wall against any of these scriptures, I only get negative feed back except for the very few. God tells us that there is always a remnant.

Praise the Lord, the majority of Christians are not against faith in Christ, and that is the core, the basic principle, the all important understanding we are to have. So go ahead with all your rants against working for the Lord, so be it.

You can talk about the law all day if you like, but when you imply that Christians are under the law, you are wrong and will get responses to that effect. If you don't like getting negative responses, don't post error! By the way, your incipient martyr complex is very unhealthy.

You have not demonstrated that you understand the distinction between the old and new covenants. Until you do, we will keep attempting to teach you, and resisting your efforts to present a distorted gospel..."which is really no gospel at all" (Galatians 1:7).

We understand that good works are the natural result of salvation by faith. We understand that not committing sin is a natural result of salvation by faith. We also understand, and you apparently don't, that good works are not accomplished by attempting to obey the law! Christ fulfilled the law. Christ is the end of the law for us who believe (Romans 10:4). Having been freed through Christ, we are not going to accept the yoke of slavery to the law (Galatians 5:1).

 

[peldom10]

Do you believe these verses?

Galatians 2:19 For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God.

Galatians 3:2-3 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?

Galatians 5:14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new", he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Those references do not validate God's law is non existent.

 

[Dino246]

Those references do not validate God's law is non existent.

If I had wanted to claim that God's law is non-existent, then I would have stated, "God's law is non-existent".

I didn't.

 

[Blik]

You can talk about the law all day if you like, but when you imply that Christians are under the law, you are wrong and will get responses to that effect. If you don't like getting negative responses, don't post error! By the way, your incipient martyr complex is very unhealthy.

You have not demonstrated that you understand the distinction between the old and new covenants. Until you do, we will keep attempting to teach you, and resisting your efforts to present a distorted gospel..."which is really no gospel at all" (Galatians 1:7).

We understand that good works are the natural result of salvation by faith. We understand that not committing sin is a natural result of salvation by faith. We also understand, and you apparently don't, that good works are not accomplished by attempting to obey the law! Christ fulfilled the law. Christ is the end of the law for us who believe (Romans 10:4). Having been freed through Christ, we are not going to accept the yoke of slavery to the law (Galatians 5:1).

As I repeat, Christians are not under the law for salvation, but Christians will be judged by their works. I find what works are pleasing to the Lord, they need to listen to the law. It is scripture who tells us this, I am an innocent by stander.

Matt. 16: 27: For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

Romans 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works: