Did Christ change the world or fulfill what was said of the world?

[SophieT]

I’m not fit to judge anyone

that's too bad

we ARE allowed and SHOULD judge whether someone is in error and especially grave error such as conflating testaments

one thing that really irritates me personally, are namby pamby Christians who whine we are not supposed to judge

if you read Bliks posts, she certainly has no problem judging everyone....but judging a person, rather than their doctrine, is what she does and that, is NOT what we are supposed to do

 

[Edify]

If Christ changed the world then what we learn in the old testament is no more, and we need not consider those books current scripture. If Christ fulfilled what is told in the old testament, we need to know all that Christ fulfilled.

Christ fulfilled what the OT rituals symbolized, so yes, we need the OT to see what He fulfilled.
The OT moral law (thou shall not kill, steal, bear false witness, honor your father & mother, etc.) are still in force, but not the covenant itself. It has been done away with by Christ.
We are now under a new covenant established on better promises with nearly all of the moral law still in tact, with the Law of Love being the greatest.

 

[Edify]

When there's a dispute between 2 or more, and it continues, then all are wrong. One or more would be wrong with their opinion & the other(s) would be wrong (even if their answer is right) because of bickering , complaining, justifying self, etc., because ALL is to be done unto edifying.
Yes, we are to expose wrong doctrine, false prophets, etc., but we aren't supposed to be arguing with them, because our true, single purpose as a christian is NOT to win the argument. It's to exemplify Christ & spread the Gospel, is it not?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

right. of course not

but you know what really gets God irritated?

when people add to scripture to push their own private doctrines

and what gets Him even more irritated? when people push the OT as part of salvation

that is what is going on here whether or not you see it.

Yeah no I don’t see a lot of things others see when it comes to issues like this , I look at this place like a free speech forum where we can discuss scripture . I’m not looking at it as if I need to correct all the heretics and such and I don’t see it like if someone has a point I don’t get , thier pushing false doctrine

I believe we need to learn to give a little grace to each other and make some room for the flaws we’re all riddled with but I’m no one special that’s all just what I personally think

. I apologize it really wasn’t involving me I sometimes speak when I shouldn’t it was definately in. I eat any sort of attack on you , I suppose it’s frustrating that arguing prevails so Often but I’ve also been part of it . I was only offering a thought

 

[SophieT]

Yeah no I don’t see a lot of things others see when it comes to issues like this , I look at this place like a free speech forum where we can discuss scripture . I’m not looking at it as if I need to correct all the heretics and such and I don’t see it like if someone has a point I don’t get , thier pushing false doctrine

I believe we need to learn to give a little grace to each other and make some room for the flaws we’re all riddled with but I’m no one special that’s all just what I personally think

. I apologize it really wasn’t involving me I sometimes speak when I shouldn’t it was definately in. I eat any sort of attack on you , I suppose it’s frustrating that arguing prevails so Often but I’ve also been part of it . I was only offering a thought

no apology needed...wasn't looking for one. however, we are allowed to judge...not a person's heart...but if someone is preaching heresy or really off in their Theology...we should speak up. that is biblical

of course grace is given....but do you allow great error to be repeated multiple times? we see in scripture that you do not

a person could be busy here all day refuting some of the nonsense that people spout. someone right now saying the Bible is full of error...and others pushing bizarre ideas. I particularly am against someone nullifying the gospel by adding to it or misconstruing the fact we are not under the law but under grace

that is the truth of what scripture teaches in the NT. but to take it further and say that we say we can sin all we want because we disagree with what is being presented? that's really pushing the envelope and so we refute those kinds of things

and that is discussing or debating scripture too. but with the gospel, you don't mess around

that's all

 

[Pilgrimshope]

no apology needed...wasn't looking for one. however, we are allowed to judge...not a person's heart...but if someone is preaching heresy or really off in their Theology...we should speak up. that is biblical

of course grace is given....but do you allow great error to be repeated multiple times? we see in scripture that you do not

a person could be busy here all day refuting some of the nonsense that people spout. someone right now saying the Bible is full of error...and others pushing bizarre ideas. I particularly am against someone nullifying the gospel by adding to it or misconstruing the fact we are not under the law but under grace

that is the truth of what scripture teaches in the NT. but to take it further and say that we say we can sin all we want because we disagree with what is being presented? that's really pushing the envelope and so we refute those kinds of things

and that is discussing or debating scripture too. but with the gospel, you don't mess around

that's all

Yea I mean we all have our own beliefs I guess . But anyways thanks for the talk 🙂

 

[SophieT]

Yea I mean we all have our own beliefs I guess . But anyways thanks for the talk 🙂

well, saying we should judge is not my belief

it is scriptural. actually it is for our own good so that we do not accept just any ole thing as the truth

 

[Pilgrimshope]

that's too bad

we ARE allowed and SHOULD judge whether someone is in error and especially grave error such as conflating testaments

one thing that really irritates me personally, are namby pamby Christians who whine we are not supposed to judge

if you read Bliks posts, she certainly has no problem judging everyone....but judging a person, rather than their doctrine, is what she does and that, is NOT what we are supposed to do

Have you judged your own self perfect yet ?

And yes I agree judgemental people are very irritated when the lord takes away thier jidgement over other peoples salvstion Israel’s priests hated it too

here’s the thing about making judgements pertaining another Christian

“Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:4-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


You guys seem so insistent on this detail
Oreo yes doctrine but you aren’t hearing it.notice the subject matter of the sabbath and observing it

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another:

another esteemeth every day alike.

Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

What you don’t get is no one else is going to have to answer for what you think you know only you will .

while I will Answer for what I know.


Paul’s point isn’t that it’s wrong to observe the sabbath or it’s wrong not to observe the sabbath he’s is making the point that each person has a relationship with Jesus the self they don’t need your mediation and correction

if the person saying e sabbath is needed and the person saying the sabbath is just another day dosagree neither is wrong they become wrong when the sabbath keeper tries to make the other keep the sabbath or the non sabbath keeper tries to make the other not observe the sabbath

it’s not our place to keep other peoples understanding with ours we have to answer for our own lives not anyone else’s standards or lives we have zero absolutely zero to do with jidgement of another’s sins , intents or how they obey God whether they observe e food laws of the ot and sabbath observances it doesn’t matter they have to walk by trier faith no one else’s

Christians today simply aren’t fit to judge others but Christ is fit

 

[Pilgrimshope]

well, saying we should judge is not my belief

it is scriptural. actually it is for our own good so that we do not accept just any ole thing as the truth

consider this chapter of Romans but really consider what Paul’s saying notice he’s addressing when Christians have differences in thinking about doctrine

“Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord;

and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:1-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


just consider what Paul is teaching God bless

 

[Blik]

You have to prove it

actions speak louder than words maam.

while he right non of us are perfectly if we keep sinning against a brother or sister continually. Our actions speak against what we say we want to do,

there is always hope. Everytime someone mentions to you what you did to them, you have the ability to repent and own up to your sinl

or continue to do what you have done,

I am thankful for my brothers and sisters in my life that did not let me wallow in my sin and my pride, I think them every day, as for the ones who were afraid to confront Mel I have no respect for them.

A Christian's actions are from the Lord, the actions between Christians is to help each other and build each other up. A Christian is accountable to the Lord, not to the judgments of other Christians. You try to tear me down, not build me up. You do not discuss scripture with me, you discuss ways you tear me down.

 

[Blik]

Have you judged your own self perfect yet ?

And yes I agree judgemental people are very irritated when the lord takes away thier jidgement over other peoples salvstion Israel’s priests hated it too

here’s the thing about making judgements pertaining another Christian

“Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:4-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


You guys seem so insistent on this detail
Oreo yes doctrine but you aren’t hearing it.notice the subject matter of the sabbath and observing it

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another:

another esteemeth every day alike.

Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

What you don’t get is no one else is going to have to answer for what you think you know only you will .

while I will Answer for what I know.


Paul’s point isn’t that it’s wrong to observe the sabbath or it’s wrong not to observe the sabbath he’s is making the point that each person has a relationship with Jesus the self they don’t need your mediation and correction

if the person saying e sabbath is needed and the person saying the sabbath is just another day dosagree neither is wrong they become wrong when the sabbath keeper tries to make the other keep the sabbath or the non sabbath keeper tries to make the other not observe the sabbath

it’s not our place to keep other peoples understanding with ours we have to answer for our own lives not anyone else’s standards or lives we have zero absolutely zero to do with jidgement of another’s sins , intents or how they obey God whether they observe e food laws of the ot and sabbath observances it doesn’t matter they have to walk by trier faith no one else’s

Christians today simply aren’t fit to judge others but Christ is fit

that's too bad

we ARE allowed and SHOULD judge whether someone is in error and especially grave error such as conflating testaments

one thing that really irritates me personally, are namby pamby Christians who whine we are not supposed to judge

if you read Bliks posts, she certainly has no problem judging everyone....but judging a person, rather than their doctrine, is what she does and that, is NOT what we are supposed to do

Blik's post are not judging any persons, and being I am Blik I know that she has no intention at all to judge people. Blik is discussing and judging interpretations of scripture only.

Scripture tells us about how Christians are to relate to each other, and that is what people do who listen to the Lord. They love each other, build each other up, and help each other. They discuss scripture and can disagree. Their allow each other to disagree without it affecting building each other up, loving each other, or helping each other. The Lord tells them to follow Him, and the Lord offers freedom to His people. When people deny others freedom to interpret scripture in their own way they are acting against the Lord's ways.

 

[Blik]

Have you judged your own self perfect yet ?

And yes I agree judgemental people are very irritated when the lord takes away thier jidgement over other peoples salvstion Israel’s priests hated it too

here’s the thing about making judgements pertaining another Christian

“Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:4-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


You guys seem so insistent on this detail
Oreo yes doctrine but you aren’t hearing it.notice the subject matter of the sabbath and observing it

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another:

another esteemeth every day alike.

Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

What you don’t get is no one else is going to have to answer for what you think you know only you will .

while I will Answer for what I know.


Paul’s point isn’t that it’s wrong to observe the sabbath or it’s wrong not to observe the sabbath he’s is making the point that each person has a relationship with Jesus the self they don’t need your mediation and correction

if the person saying e sabbath is needed and the person saying the sabbath is just another day dosagree neither is wrong they become wrong when the sabbath keeper tries to make the other keep the sabbath or the non sabbath keeper tries to make the other not observe the sabbath

it’s not our place to keep other peoples understanding with ours we have to answer for our own lives not anyone else’s standards or lives we have zero absolutely zero to do with jidgement of another’s sins , intents or how they obey God whether they observe e food laws of the ot and sabbath observances it doesn’t matter they have to walk by trier faith no one else’s

Christians today simply aren’t fit to judge others but Christ is fit

that's too bad

we ARE allowed and SHOULD judge whether someone is in error and especially grave error such as conflating testaments

one thing that really irritates me personally, are namby pamby Christians who whine we are not supposed to judge

if you read Bliks posts, she certainly has no problem judging everyone....but judging a person, rather than their doctrine, is what she does and that, is NOT what we are supposed to do

Blik's post are not judging any persons, and being I am Blik I know that she has no intention at all to judge people. Blik is discussing and judging interpretations of scripture only.

Scripture tells us about how Christians are to relate to each other, and that is what people do who listen to the Lord. They love each other, build each other up, and help each other. They discuss scripture and can disagree. Their allow each other to disagree without it affecting building each other up, loving each other, or helping each other. The Lord tells them to follow Him, and the Lord offers freedom to His people. When people deny others freedom to interpret scripture in their own way they are acting against the Lord's ways.

 

[JerryInBoston]

Your still an enabler,

I have no respect for them. I praise God for the people in my life that were not afraid to call me out when they saw a sin issue in my life and area of pride that did not allow me to move forward. But held me back in my own belief.

Wait! What?

Aren't you the same person that just posted in another thread this post:

"I had to come in and see how many perfect people were casting stone

i see no perfect people. But far to many casting stones."

A little consistency would be more convincing. Were those people in your life casting stones regarding your sin issue? Or is it that you simply disregard homosexuality as a sin, and you affirm the homosexual lifestyle?

Unbelievable.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

well, saying we should judge is not my belief

it is scriptural. actually it is for our own good so that we do not accept just any ole thing as the truth

Blik's post are not judging any persons, and being I am Blik I know that she has no intention at all to judge people. Blik is discussing and judging interpretations of scripture only.

Scripture tells us about how Christians are to relate to each other, and that is what people do who listen to the Lord. They love each other, build each other up, and help each other. They discuss scripture and can disagree. Their allow each other to disagree without it affecting building each other up, loving each other, or helping each other. The Lord tells them to follow Him, and the Lord offers freedom to His people. When people deny others freedom to interpret scripture in their own way they are acting against the Lord's ways.

lol yes blik it’s definately not you I’m speaking of

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Blik's post are not judging any persons, and being I am Blik I know that she has no intention at all to judge people. Blik is discussing and judging interpretations of scripture only.

Scripture tells us about how Christians are to relate to each other, and that is what people do who listen to the Lord. They love each other, build each other up, and help each other. They discuss scripture and can disagree. Their allow each other to disagree without it affecting building each other up, loving each other, or helping each other. The Lord tells them to follow Him, and the Lord offers freedom to His people. When people deny others freedom to interpret scripture in their own way they are acting against the Lord's ways.

pretty agreeable 🙂

 

[SophieT]

Have you judged your own self perfect yet ?

And yes I agree judgemental people are very irritated when the lord takes away thier jidgement over other peoples salvstion Israel’s priests hated it too

here’s the thing about making judgements pertaining another Christian

“Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:4-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


You guys seem so insistent on this detail
Oreo yes doctrine but you aren’t hearing it.notice the subject matter of the sabbath and observing it

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another:

another esteemeth every day alike.

Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

What you don’t get is no one else is going to have to answer for what you think you know only you will .

while I will Answer for what I know.


Paul’s point isn’t that it’s wrong to observe the sabbath or it’s wrong not to observe the sabbath he’s is making the point that each person has a relationship with Jesus the self they don’t need your mediation and correction

if the person saying e sabbath is needed and the person saying the sabbath is just another day dosagree neither is wrong they become wrong when the sabbath keeper tries to make the other keep the sabbath or the non sabbath keeper tries to make the other not observe the sabbath

it’s not our place to keep other peoples understanding with ours we have to answer for our own lives not anyone else’s standards or lives we have zero absolutely zero to do with jidgement of another’s sins , intents or how they obey God whether they observe e food laws of the ot and sabbath observances it doesn’t matter they have to walk by trier faith no one else’s

Christians today simply aren’t fit to judge others but Christ is fit

the actual question is whether or not we accept error

much of the New Testament was written to counter error

it is not about my standards or your standards. this a false understanding. and what has that to do with the Sabbath?

here is what Paul said about that:

6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christb and not by human hands. 12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.c 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind. 19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow.

20If you have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations: 21“Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!”? 22These will all perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such restrictions indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-prescribed worship, their false humility, and their harsh treatment of the body; but they are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
Colossians 2

Christians actually have an obligation to judge. Your emphasis is on judging people. we have an obligation to judge teaching and false teachers, prophecy etc. we are not to tolerate error. this is not about sending people to hell or condemnation. however, error and false doctrine can send someone to hell so be careful how you understand what is right judgement, because that is what I am posting about.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant?

a servant does what he is told to do. false teaching is not an attribute of a servant, but rather a wolf in sheep's clothing

 

[SophieT]

consider this chapter of Romans but really consider what Paul’s saying notice he’s addressing when Christians have differences in thinking about doctrine

“Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord;

and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:1-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


just consider what Paul is teaching God bless

you can quote the entire Bible but you do not seem to understand what Paul says yourself

teaching that works are a part of salvation or that we must obey the law is not biblical.

 

[SophieT]

Blik's post are not judging any persons, and being I am Blik I know that she has no intention at all to judge people. Blik is discussing and judging interpretations of scripture only.

Scripture tells us about how Christians are to relate to each other, and that is what people do who listen to the Lord. They love each other, build each other up, and help each other. They discuss scripture and can disagree. Their allow each other to disagree without it affecting building each other up, loving each other, or helping each other. The Lord tells them to follow Him, and the Lord offers freedom to His people. When people deny others freedom to interpret scripture in their own way they are acting against the Lord's ways.

speaking of yourself in the third person is just more than a little strange

you have constantly and consistently done the very thing you say you have not done

you have not helped anyone Blik with your erroneous teaching concerning the law given to the Israelites

 

[Pilgrimshope]

A Christian's actions are from the Lord, the actions between Christians is to help each other and build each other up. A Christian is accountable to the Lord, not to the judgments of other Christians. You try to tear me down, not build me up. You do not discuss scripture with me, you discuss ways you tear me down.

the actual question is whether or not we accept error

much of the New Testament was written to counter error

it is not about my standards or your standards. this a false understanding. and what has that to do with the Sabbath?

here is what Paul said about that:

6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christb and not by human hands. 12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.c 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind. 19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow.

20If you have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations: 21“Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!”? 22These will all perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such restrictions indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-prescribed worship, their false humility, and their harsh treatment of the body; but they are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
Colossians 2

Christians actually have an obligation to judge. Your emphasis is on judging people. we have an obligation to judge teaching and false teachers, prophecy etc. we are not to tolerate error. this is not about sending people to hell or condemnation. however, error and false doctrine can send someone to hell so be careful how you understand what is right judgement, because that is what I am posting about.



a servant does what he is told to do. false teaching is not an attribute of a servant, but rather a wolf in sheep's clothing

pretty strange logic to avoid the gospel is what hear your issue began as someone believed the ot is required , so you were correcting them right ? Formthier own good you said

The sabbath is ot doctrine some believe it’s necassary , that’s okay it doesn’t require you to correct then for their food is the point of Paul bringing up the sabbath , and also food regulations of the ot

his point is of one believer believes differently about things like that , it’s not the place of the other to correct the. And accuse them of spreading false doctrine tha always going to be a detriment one sinner judging and trying to demand something from another sinner that will
Never work for anyone .

you have went pretty far astray from the original issue it seems like but it comes down to what Jesus taught you have to start here

My point is you have to forst bear the word of God before you assume the role of corrector and it doesn’t seem you are letting it in try to come to the judgement forst of Jesus then see what you think can you accept his judgements ?

“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye. For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:35-38, 41-44‬ ‭

that’s a sample of our doctrine how do you yourself stack up to his commands ? Or are you to busy correcting people to look at yourself in the mirror ?

“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it comes down to Jesus and his teachings judging others sins and correcting them is for the church leadership appointed by God not the Christians they are meant to support and love each other .

we shouldn’t approve of or condone anyone’s sin , it’s just that we shouldn’t be taking it upon ourselves to see thier sins and correct them it’s different you know “ someone’s asking “ should o start having an affair ?” Of course we’re going to be required to give food advice d warn them about adultery

if we see someone doing some evil act of course we’re going to take them aside and explain to them , we have to approach one another not by the law where we accuse and condemn and cast stones , but but the gospel where we acknowledge our own sins and lack of good judgement it’s why we have to believe the gospel


it’s great to talk about something others are doing or thinking wrong disobedience but look at your own self though and see of how we speak
And interact and live our own lives treating others is up to par or if we need to work out our own salvation so we should consider mercy over jidgement the law of liberty Christ provided where we don’t condemn judge and accuse and hold grudges and look down on others from our high perch

“So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭

But instead we have forebearance for others and look at our own self with the judgement

 

[Pilgrimshope]

you can quote the entire Bible but you do not seem to understand what Paul says yourself

teaching that works are a part of salvation or that we must obey the law is not biblical.

so quoting the Bible is unbiblical and believing what it says ? Instead of repenting and believing someone I’ve never met in a forum telling me it’s nonsense and I don’t get it ? Thats your argument ????😊