The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
The words "we were reconciled" = #2644 "Katallasso" from 2596 and 236 ... again, the words "we were" have been added to the text by translators.
Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
The word "now" appears in the text. It was not added by translators. Is "now" past tense?
The word "received" in Rom 5:11 is translated from the Greek word lambanó.
You and @brightfame52 don't like the usage of the word lambánō in Rom 5:11? Take it up with God ... it's His Word. oh yeah, since you two don't have a problem with translators (mankind) adding to Scripture ... does it bother you if someone changes Scripture? ... or just ignores words placed in Scripture by God because, well, gosh ... that doesn't fit with your preconceived notions?
The words "we were reconciled" = #2644 "Katallasso" from 2596 and 236 ... again, the words "we were" have been added to the text by translators.
Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
The word "now" appears in the text. It was not added by translators. Is "now" past tense?
The word "received" in Rom 5:11 is translated from the Greek word lambanó.
2983 lambánō (from the primitive root, lab-, meaning "actively lay hold of to take or receive," see NAS dictionary) – properly, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available (offered). 2983/lambánō ("accept with initiative") emphasizes the volition (assertiveness) of the receiver.
You and @brightfame52 don't like the usage of the word lambánō in Rom 5:11? Take it up with God ... it's His Word. oh yeah, since you two don't have a problem with translators (mankind) adding to Scripture ... does it bother you if someone changes Scripture? ... or just ignores words placed in Scripture by God because, well, gosh ... that doesn't fit with your preconceived notions?
I never claimed they were not "living created beings".
However, I do no agree with you that the living creatures described in Ez 1 are "God's elect that have been permitted to see and understand the mystery of the Gospel" and "God's elect" which have not "been permitted to see and understand the mystery of the Gospel".
However, I do no agree with you that the living creatures described in Ez 1 are "God's elect that have been permitted to see and understand the mystery of the Gospel" and "God's elect" which have not "been permitted to see and understand the mystery of the Gospel".
you need to take a dose of your own medicine ...
In Post #267 you stated "God does not judge those that are not his adopted children as they live their lives here on earth ... but judges them at the last day."
I provided several instances of God having judged prior to "the last day". Again, perhaps you need a dose of your own medicine???
Another example of your need for a dose of your own medicine ...
In Post #267 you stated "God does not judge those that are not his adopted children as they live their lives here on earth ... but judges them at the last day."
I provided several instances of God having judged prior to "the last day". Again, perhaps you need a dose of your own medicine???
Another example of your need for a dose of your own medicine ...
wow ... all that because you do not like the fact that God chose to use the word lambanō in Rom 5:11 and God chose to add that we have now received ... as opposed to some time in the past as you tried to point out in your Post #274?
interesting ...
Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received [lambanō] the atonement.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
lambanō - to receive (what is given); to gain, get, obtain
HELPS Word-studies:
983 lambánō (from the primitive root, lab-, meaning "actively lay hold of to take or receive," see NAS dictionary) – properly, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) acceptingwhat is available (offered). 2983/lambánō ("accept with initiative") emphasizes thevolition (assertiveness) of the receiver.
interesting ...
Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received [lambanō] the atonement.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
lambanō - to receive (what is given); to gain, get, obtain
HELPS Word-studies:
983 lambánō (from the primitive root, lab-, meaning "actively lay hold of to take or receive," see NAS dictionary) – properly, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) acceptingwhat is available (offered). 2983/lambánō ("accept with initiative") emphasizes thevolition (assertiveness) of the receiver.
More on Forgiveness in relation to Redemption !
As we continue to consider the Eternal Redemption Christ has procured for them He died for, we find that He has obtained for them Eternal Forgiveness, for His Death hath delivered them from the Penalty of all their sins. All who are such blessed shall receive a Knowledge [Spiritual] of their Forgiveness Lk 1:77
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
Folks Forgiveness of sins is Salvation, a portion of it ! That means you never have to worry about dying in your sins Heb 8:12
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
When He says He will remember them no more, means He will never lay them to their Charge as to condemn them.
Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Israel here means His Chosen People, whether jew or gentile, again He will give them a Knowledge of their forgiveness of sins !
Lk 24:46-47
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Forgiveness of sins should preached IN HIS NAME !
What does that mean , In His Name ? The word name here is the greek word onoma:
name: univ. of proper names64
2) the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc.
3) persons reckoned up by name
4) the cause or reason named: on this account, because he suffers as a Christian, for this reason
The Ideal here is Repentance and Remission of sins have been accomplished by the Person and Work of Jesus Christ for His People. Both are given by Him on account of His finished work. In this scripture Repentance nor forgiveness of sins are commands or duties, but procured and bestowed blessings because of Christ's Finished work. And all that He died for will receive from Him Repentance and the knowledge of the forgiveness of their sins, as Peter puts it in Acts 5:31 see also Acts 11:18 Where it's made clear that Gentiles are included in being given Repentance unto Life !
As we continue to consider the Eternal Redemption Christ has procured for them He died for, we find that He has obtained for them Eternal Forgiveness, for His Death hath delivered them from the Penalty of all their sins. All who are such blessed shall receive a Knowledge [Spiritual] of their Forgiveness Lk 1:77
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
Folks Forgiveness of sins is Salvation, a portion of it ! That means you never have to worry about dying in your sins Heb 8:12
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
When He says He will remember them no more, means He will never lay them to their Charge as to condemn them.
Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Israel here means His Chosen People, whether jew or gentile, again He will give them a Knowledge of their forgiveness of sins !
Lk 24:46-47
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Forgiveness of sins should preached IN HIS NAME !
What does that mean , In His Name ? The word name here is the greek word onoma:
name: univ. of proper names64
2) the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc.
3) persons reckoned up by name
4) the cause or reason named: on this account, because he suffers as a Christian, for this reason
The Ideal here is Repentance and Remission of sins have been accomplished by the Person and Work of Jesus Christ for His People. Both are given by Him on account of His finished work. In this scripture Repentance nor forgiveness of sins are commands or duties, but procured and bestowed blessings because of Christ's Finished work. And all that He died for will receive from Him Repentance and the knowledge of the forgiveness of their sins, as Peter puts it in Acts 5:31 see also Acts 11:18 Where it's made clear that Gentiles are included in being given Repentance unto Life !
A Ransoming
This Eternal Redemption is also a ransoming ! The blood was the ransom price, redemption is the effect or result. Remember the term ransom is used here Mk 10:45
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
1 Tim 2:6
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Now in Mk 10:45 the word for ransom is lytron and means:
the price for redeeming, ransom
a) paid for slaves, captives
b) for the ransom of life
2) to liberate many from misery and the penalty of their sins
In 1 Tim 2:6 the word is antilytron:
) what is given in exchange for another as the price of his redemption, ransom
This definition zero's in on the fact that a Life has been given for a life.
Once the ransom price has been accepted, then Justice has been served for the ransomed, all the penalties must cease by Divine Justice. Those ransomed are freed from all penalties. One such penalty was death, all facets of it. To be ransomed is to be set free from death
Hosea 13:14
I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.
Sin brought Death Rom 6:23
23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
But, all for whom Christ gave Himself a Ransom in place of They as a matter of Justice must now Receive Life, Spiritual Life, because spiritual death no longer can be a penalty for their sins, They have by the blood of Christ liberated or set free from the penalty of sin.
Now that Christ has paid the ransom price, death must be abolished in behalf of those persons 2 Tim 1:10
10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
This word abolished is the greek word katargeō and means:
to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative
a) to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency
b) to deprive of force, influence, power
2) to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish
a) to cease, to pass away, be done away
b) to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one
c) to terminate all intercourse with one
Because of the ransom blood and the redemption through the blood of Christ, death is caused to cease, its done away with.
Since death is abolished, Life must be communicated, Life is the antithesis of death. Spiritual Life must be communicated to all for whom Christ gave Himself a Ransom. This Life is given by the Spirit in a New Birth. The New Birth is an evidence that Christ's ransom price of His Life, His blood has satisfied all the Justice of God for our sins. This Life that God gives is Eternal Life, an immortal Life, and this Life of immortality is brought to Light by the Gospel 2 Tim 1:10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
This Eternal Redemption is also a ransoming ! The blood was the ransom price, redemption is the effect or result. Remember the term ransom is used here Mk 10:45
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
1 Tim 2:6
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Now in Mk 10:45 the word for ransom is lytron and means:
the price for redeeming, ransom
a) paid for slaves, captives
b) for the ransom of life
2) to liberate many from misery and the penalty of their sins
In 1 Tim 2:6 the word is antilytron:
) what is given in exchange for another as the price of his redemption, ransom
This definition zero's in on the fact that a Life has been given for a life.
Once the ransom price has been accepted, then Justice has been served for the ransomed, all the penalties must cease by Divine Justice. Those ransomed are freed from all penalties. One such penalty was death, all facets of it. To be ransomed is to be set free from death
Hosea 13:14
I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.
Sin brought Death Rom 6:23
23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
But, all for whom Christ gave Himself a Ransom in place of They as a matter of Justice must now Receive Life, Spiritual Life, because spiritual death no longer can be a penalty for their sins, They have by the blood of Christ liberated or set free from the penalty of sin.
Now that Christ has paid the ransom price, death must be abolished in behalf of those persons 2 Tim 1:10
10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
This word abolished is the greek word katargeō and means:
to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative
a) to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency
b) to deprive of force, influence, power
2) to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish
a) to cease, to pass away, be done away
b) to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one
c) to terminate all intercourse with one
Because of the ransom blood and the redemption through the blood of Christ, death is caused to cease, its done away with.
Since death is abolished, Life must be communicated, Life is the antithesis of death. Spiritual Life must be communicated to all for whom Christ gave Himself a Ransom. This Life is given by the Spirit in a New Birth. The New Birth is an evidence that Christ's ransom price of His Life, His blood has satisfied all the Justice of God for our sins. This Life that God gives is Eternal Life, an immortal Life, and this Life of immortality is brought to Light by the Gospel 2 Tim 1:10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
The Blood of the Covenant !
Scripture is clear that Christ's Blood is Covenant Blood ! Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
That word testament is the greek word diathēkē and is also translated covenant :
a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will
Notice that the word used has more to do with the last disposition or testament, the bequeathing of the possessions after the death of the Testator or the one making a will.
As far as a agreement between parties are concerned, another word for covenant is used ,it is the word suntithemi lit., "to put together, which means to agree or assent.
But the prominent feature in the Covenant Blood of Christ is its accomplishments, what it actually does for and unto those for which it was shed.
Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
We want to look at some of the Accomplishments of the Blood of the Covenant unto its beneficiaries, those whom Christ has ordered the bestowal of the purchased possessions upon them.
Now one of the accomplishments is that His Covenant Blood abolished the need for further imprisonment.
Lets look at Isa 42:7
To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
First lets look at vs 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Thats speaking about His Blood being given in Covenant for the People, and one of the accomplishments vs 7 is to bring out the Prisoners from the prison house. Note that it does not say to offer them a way out if they decide to accept it, but to actually bring them out !
That word phrase bring out in vs 7 is the hebrew word yatsa and literally means:
to cause to go or come out, bring out, lead out
Now what Prison house is meant here ? The Prison house of sin ! God hath concluded all under sin ! Gal 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Now the All here is speaking of the elect, and when they sinned in Adam, God concluded them under sin. Now this word concluded is the greek word sygkleiō and means:
to shut up together, enclose
a) of a shoal of fishes in a net66
2) to shut up on all sides, shut up completely As in a prison Emphasis mine !
This was part of the Death we incurred when God told Adam, in the day that you eat, ye shall surely die. Well imprisonment and enslavement to sin is the outcome.
And one of the Accomplishments of Christ Covenant Blood, it bring the Prisoners out of Prison, out of captivity to sin..
This is not accomplished by anything the prisoner did, their repentance, their faith, or none of that, but accomplished by the Blood of the Covenant !
Scripture is clear that Christ's Blood is Covenant Blood ! Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
That word testament is the greek word diathēkē and is also translated covenant :
a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will
Notice that the word used has more to do with the last disposition or testament, the bequeathing of the possessions after the death of the Testator or the one making a will.
As far as a agreement between parties are concerned, another word for covenant is used ,it is the word suntithemi lit., "to put together, which means to agree or assent.
But the prominent feature in the Covenant Blood of Christ is its accomplishments, what it actually does for and unto those for which it was shed.
Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
We want to look at some of the Accomplishments of the Blood of the Covenant unto its beneficiaries, those whom Christ has ordered the bestowal of the purchased possessions upon them.
Now one of the accomplishments is that His Covenant Blood abolished the need for further imprisonment.
Lets look at Isa 42:7
To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
First lets look at vs 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Thats speaking about His Blood being given in Covenant for the People, and one of the accomplishments vs 7 is to bring out the Prisoners from the prison house. Note that it does not say to offer them a way out if they decide to accept it, but to actually bring them out !
That word phrase bring out in vs 7 is the hebrew word yatsa and literally means:
to cause to go or come out, bring out, lead out
Now what Prison house is meant here ? The Prison house of sin ! God hath concluded all under sin ! Gal 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Now the All here is speaking of the elect, and when they sinned in Adam, God concluded them under sin. Now this word concluded is the greek word sygkleiō and means:
to shut up together, enclose
a) of a shoal of fishes in a net66
2) to shut up on all sides, shut up completely As in a prison Emphasis mine !
This was part of the Death we incurred when God told Adam, in the day that you eat, ye shall surely die. Well imprisonment and enslavement to sin is the outcome.
And one of the Accomplishments of Christ Covenant Blood, it bring the Prisoners out of Prison, out of captivity to sin..
This is not accomplished by anything the prisoner did, their repentance, their faith, or none of that, but accomplished by the Blood of the Covenant !
Seems a High Priest would carry the blood of an innocent animal into the Holy Holies then sprinkle it on the Mercy seat that only covered the sins of the Children of Israel for that past year. The scapegoat.. laying his hands on the head of the animal and confessed the peoples sin over it then let loose in the wilderness. This had to be done each year for sin was only covered.
So with Christ we are born again (Born from above) the remission of sins. So our sin is gone as if it never was. So now when we sin we don't fall away we are not in fellowship, that sin brakes is so we ask for forgiveness. Could have went silly as in great depth but this is something every believer should must know. If some want to beat around the bush on this .. I will not can not.. I praise my GOD very day for what He has done is doing will do.. in JESUS name
So with Christ we are born again (Born from above) the remission of sins. So our sin is gone as if it never was. So now when we sin we don't fall away we are not in fellowship, that sin brakes is so we ask for forgiveness. Could have went silly as in great depth but this is something every believer should must know. If some want to beat around the bush on this .. I will not can not.. I praise my GOD very day for what He has done is doing will do.. in JESUS name