Should we support police ?

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RaceBoy

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What about doctors giving out the vaccine for Covid. I could also put them in the similar category.

too much?
Doctors giving out Covid vaccines are not forcing people to take, they are WILLINGLY taking the shot. and if vaccines do get forced, it would be the police forcing the shot and not the ones who willingly take it. It seems to me that you're making excuses for the police because you seem to have some kind of bias towards them. Do you have familly members in law enforcement if you mind me asking ?
 
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tstumf

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I’m weary of the blind support of the “thin blue line” “back the blue” crowd. To me it almost has a cop/hero worship theme to it which could be taken as idolatry. As long as they are truly in protect and serve as peace officers enforcing constitutionally restrained laws I have no issue with them. I had a federal LEO over for supper last week and one of my family friends was a Patrol sheriffs deputy. Another friends husband is a city officer. I do fear we’re losing the good ones though to political bs. The good ones are in fear and simply walking away from the career.
 
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RaceBoy

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I’m weary of the blind support of the “thin blue line” “back the blue” crowd. To me it almost has a cop/hero worship theme to it which could be taken as idolatry. As long as they are truly in protect and serve as peace officers enforcing constitutionally restrained laws I have no issue with them. I had a federal LEO over for supper last week and one of my family friends was a Patrol sheriffs deputy. Another friends husband is a city officer. I do fear we’re losing the good ones though to political bs. The good ones are in fear and simply walking away from the career.
Another valid point that I never thought of. The thin blue line people are essentially worshipping the police and ignoring the wrong that they do occasionally. And as long as cops do what is morally right (not what the law says all the time cuz arrive laws are bad) then I too have no problem with them.
 
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tstumf

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Another valid point that I never thought of. The thin blue line people are essentially worshipping the police and ignoring the wrong that they do occasionally. And as long as cops do what is morally right (not what the law says all the time cuz arrive laws are bad) then I too have no problem with them.

Here is something else. In my church we had a men’s bible study group. The leader was a pastor from a neighboring church and former Conservation officer (Game warden) and another guy in the group was a former patrol officer in St.Louis both had some very sobering reasons they left the job. Though I won’t get into specifics they both had biblical reasons that they no longer wear the badge. Both were very adamant they wouldn’t do the job in today’s environment.
 

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Doctors giving out Covid vaccines are not forcing people to take, they are WILLINGLY taking the shot. and if vaccines do get forced, it would be the police forcing the shot and not the ones who willingly take it. It seems to me that you're making excuses for the police because you seem to have some kind of bias towards them. Do you have familly members in law enforcement if you mind me asking ?
No sir….I just like to Derail threads of people who call my opinion ‘flawed’ 🤷🏻‍♀️

Opinions can’t be flawed.
 

TenderHeart

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What would Jesus say about police? I’m sure He would say to love your brother and forgive him. Don’t judge. And not harbor hate in your heart..

“And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:32‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
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RaceBoy

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No sir….I just like to Derail threads of people who call my opinion ‘flawed’ 🤷🏻‍♀️

Opinions can’t be flawed.
No opinion is perfect, im sure my opinion may have flaws as well, but at least I have a legitimate reason while you seem to be making excuse.
 
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RaceBoy

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What would Jesus say about police? I’m sure He would say to love your brother and forgive him. Don’t judge. And not harbor hate in your heart..

“And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:32‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
I never said to disrespect police, and to be honest I find a lot what they to do to be disrespectful, such as pulling someone over for going 5 over the limit. The law is not an excuse for stupidity. As Christians we have to comply, but that doesn't mean what they're doing is right.
 
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RaceBoy

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I’m not making excuses for anything. You’re very defensive. Why
You were using doctors (which most doctors just make mistakes trying to help) who have killed in the past (which I'm sure it's way less then police) who are likely dead by now or jailed, as an example, compared to when police still intentionally kill People sometimes and occasionally get away with it.
 

SomeDisciple

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I never said to disrespect police, and to be honest I find a lot what they to do to be disrespectful, such as pulling someone over for going 5 over the limit. The law is not an excuse for stupidity. As Christians we have to comply, but that doesn't mean what they're doing is right.
To be fair, I think a police officer would probably find someone going any amount over the speed limit in their presence to be disrespectful. It's putting them in a very awkward position where they swore to uphold the law, but don't want to do it because it's such a minor violation.
 
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RaceBoy

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Here is something else. In my church we had a men’s bible study group. The leader was a pastor from a neighboring church and former Conservation officer (Game warden) and another guy in the group was a former patrol officer in St.Louis both had some very sobering reasons they left the job. Though I won’t get into specifics they both had biblical reasons that they no longer wear the badge. Both were very adamant they wouldn’t do the job in today’s environment.
So did they leave because if politics or was it something in the Bible ? What was the main reason ?
 

Nehemiah6

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The good ones are in fear and simply walking away from the career.
Correct.
Historic Police Exodus In Cities Most Impacted By Racial Justice Unrest, New Data Shows
“We’re running into a real crisis here,” Betsy Brantner Smith, a spokesperson for the National Police Association, told Forbes in a Thursday interview. “One of the things people need to understand is that a lot of these officers are not leaving police work, they’re going to places where they’re appreciated and where their job is not so politicized.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemima...ustice-unrest-new-data-shows/?sh=6259c20b8cf2

When BLM and Antifa started destroying cities across the land back in 2020, while the Leftists were shouting "Defund the Police", Donald Trump had a golden opportunity to make all police officers nationwide into United States Marshals.

That would have ended the whole fiasco of defunding the police. At the same time all the bad eggs could have been rooted out, and the officers would have jurisdiction across state lines. No more interference from corrupt mayors and governors. At the same time these people would have been informed that unconstitutional and unlawful laws were to be disregarded, and the FBI and DOJ criminals to be treated as criminals.
 
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RaceBoy

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To be fair, I think a police officer would probably find someone going any amount over the speed limit in their presence to be disrespectful. It's putting them in a very awkward position where they swore to uphold the law, but don't want to do it because it's such a minor violation.
That's why we shouldn't take oaths (didn't Jesus say so too ?) Plus you can just take an affirmation, so you don't have to swear on a Bible.
 

SomeDisciple

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That's why we shouldn't take oaths (didn't Jesus say so too ?) Plus you can just take an affirmation, so you don't have to swear on a Bible.
Regardless of whether it's an oath or affirmation it still puts them in that position- even if they made no affirmation at all, it's their job. And that's not regarding the fact that Jesus' stance on oaths might only have been referencing a specific jewish teaching, but I have less than complete bible scholarship on that.
 

Gideon300

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(Please note that this has nothing to do with BLM but is more about the future of policing and what role they play based off of what the bible says) I've been thinking and noticing all that's been happening over the past year with law enforcement, and am wondering if we (anyone but mostly Christians) should support the police. Now i don't mean it like the police are doing wrong, or killing innocent people like we see on the news, but that whenever the new world order comes along, or whenever the government creats unjust laws that we as christians HAVE to DISOBEY, when then should we support police ? Or rather why should we support them since the bible says ( 2 Timothy 3:12) we will be persecuted. I personally support individual officers when they do what is right, but i would never trust/support the police as a whole. Thoughts ?
The police are a part of the world system. They are also individuals. A good friend of mine was hassled by the police. He was 70 and manhandled as if he was a violent offender. All he did was get into an argument, which he did not start.

I also have had help from the police that warmed my heart. It has to be one of the hardest jobs there is. It's easy to criticise, but we could also pray for them.

It pays to remember that the media has the ability to paint a completely biased picture. When a black man is killed by a cop, it is headline news. How many cops have been killed in the line of duty? In Australia, not so many. In gun-happy USA, way too many. I don't recall an organisation called "Police lives matter" starting up. Perhaps it should.

The police enforce the law, they do not make laws. The problems for Christians begin with antichrist governments. We should be praying for whoever is in authority. If we do not, don't be surprised when laws that are oppressive are enacted.
 

Gideon300

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That's why we shouldn't take oaths (didn't Jesus say so too ?) Plus you can just take an affirmation, so you don't have to swear on a Bible.
You cannot impose Christian principles on the world. You may as well put lipstick on a pig.
 

Gideon300

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What about doctors giving out the vaccine for Covid. I could also put them in the similar category.

too much?
In order to be guilty, doctors would have to be breaking law (they are not) and intending to do harm (they are not). You may not like it, but doctors are not the problem.