PARENTS!!! TRAIN YOUR CHILDREN IN THE WAY...

[Ramon]

PARENTS TRAIN YOUR CHILDREN IN THE WAY!!! TRAIN THEM IN OBEDIENCE TO JESUS CHRIST! I warn you in the Lord, if ANY of you offend your children into hell, you will meet the severe punishment of the Lord. Stop letting them do the things the other kids do. What you call innocent is an abomination with the Lord. Stop acting like they are okay so long as the don't do anything too bad. Train them from birth in obedience to Christ.

It is a shame as you yourself should also live in the righteousness you were bought with. If you continue to allow your children to follow this wicked world, they will be cut off from you. I tell you will loose them. Teach them righteousness, teach them to love one another. Stop allowing them to play these filthy games, watch these filthy movies and supposed kid's shows which are training tools in evil. Stop buying it for them, knowing full well that it is WRONG. How can you be children of God an children of Satan at the same time? Not so. Repent. Teach the TRUTH of the Gospel. They are not too young. And you are not too old. Repent and obey Jesus.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[FallingAlex]

You're just a ray of sunshine Ramon! Keep up the good work!

 

[AnandaHya]

ok Ramon: we are to live in this world not be of it. if children are not exposed to things under the guidance of parents they would not know how to function in the world when let out of their protective shells at home. kids have influences at school that are not good and personally I'm not the home schooling type, because eventually kids will be exposed to videos, TV, movies, etc. (plus the in laws and uncles would cheat and get them that game, movie or toy for Christmas anyways, we pick our battles. i mean if you really want to analyze it, there is a frog that meditates in Little Bear, and the coyote keeps trying to eat the roadrunner, and porkie pig has no pants on )

more important is that we train them to know the boundaries of what is expected and what is not by Teaching them to value a close personal relationship with GOD. teaching them to pray and read the Bible themselves. to question what is being told and taught to them and to give them the tools needed to function in the world in a manner that is Christ-like. to love others and think of their needs and feelings.

it is not about avoiding TV shows and other things, but instilling in them at a very early age a love for God and things of God. So that if they have a choice between a new toy gun or a new book that tells a Bible story they would rather chose the book because they can learn more about God that way.

the best way to do that is to live your life as a parent in a manner that they know GOD comes first then your spouse and family, job and worldly concerns come distant third.

the focus should not be on sheltering your kids and placing more rules that God does not place on us, but living lives in a manner that God's live and light is reflected in everything we do.

May God Bless and keep you.

 

[seoulsearch]

I was also curious, Ramon... Just my own wondering? How many kids do you have and what's you're experience in raising them in the Lord been like? Was wondering about your personal advice on putting God's Word into action.

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

PARENTS TRAIN YOUR CHILDREN IN THE WAY!!! TRAIN THEM IN OBEDIENCE TO JESUS CHRIST! I warn you in the Lord, if ANY of you offend your children into hell, you will meet the severe punishment of the Lord. Stop letting them do the things the other kids do. What you call innocent is an abomination with the Lord. Stop acting like they are okay so long as the don't do anything too bad. Train them from birth in obedience to Christ.

It is a shame as you yourself should also live in the righteousness you were bought with. If you continue to allow your children to follow this wicked world, they will be cut off from you. I tell you will loose them. Teach them righteousness, teach them to love one another. Stop allowing them to play these filthy games, watch these filthy movies and supposed kid's shows which are training tools in evil. Stop buying it for them, knowing full well that it is WRONG. How can you be children of God an children of Satan at the same time? Not so. Repent. Teach the TRUTH of the Gospel. They are not too young. And you are not too old. Repent and obey Jesus.

May Jesus bless you.

Oh shut it up ramon.. .You dont have kids, and you have no idea what the heck your even yellin about... You just like to come on here USE ALL CAPS AND ACT LIKE ''GOD HAS TOLD YOU SOMETING PROFOUND'' when in reality he more than likely hasnt told you a thing.

Get off the computer and go take your medicine.

p.s. its not possible to send your children to hell weirdo...

 

[djness]

Does not having kids make his point invalid?

Is anyone going to say "Well if you had kids you would not want to raise them to know the Lord."?

And perhaps he means offend your children into hell, like, not following Gods word yourself , setting a terrible example and making your kid not want to know God. I know that happens alot.

Even a thief can tell you stealing is wrong. The truth is the truth no matter the source.

 

[seoulsearch]

I was just curious about the author's own personal point of view. I don't contend with the truth of God's Word at all...

But I'm always interested in a person's personal experience with the topic they talk about. This is just me--I'm not saying anyone has to be like this at all--but I tend to only write about things from which I've personally experienced and then had to face the challenges of "walking the walk" instead of just talking the talk.

I know Ramon wrote another thread about the fact that God won't tolerate abuse, which of course, I totally agree with. I apologize in that I didn't read all the posts in that thread, but the first thing that popped into my head is that God also won't tolerate us refusing to forgive abusers, hard as that is.

It's hard to look into the eyes of someone you know has done terrible things to kids with no remorse and feel that tug in your heart that God wants you to forgive them. Someone who refuses to forgive the abuser is just as guilty as the abuser his or herself. And yes, I speak from experience.

So... I was just curious what experiences the author of the thread had with raising kids in a Godly manner... the challenges... the fact that things often don't go the way you want or hope no matter how hard you try, how many people are praying for you, and how many times you've taken them to church. I have a mentor and I admire her very much in that she's a very, very devout Christian--solid as a rock. But some things dear to her heart haven't turned out the way she's hoped... yet she still clings to God... and other "well-meaning" Christians try to somehow tell her that it's her own fault--that she didn't do this or that right... that she didn't pray enough... yet she is very dedicated and spends most of her life in service related to her faith. Of course she's human and has made mistakes, but the lack of compassion is appalling.

It's kind of like... I read an article the other day that Christians are so quick to condemn anyone who considers an abortion... but not once do they offer to help that person in the daily struggle of raising the child.

Things like that make me very sad... and discouraged to call myself a Christian.

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

Does not having kids make his point invalid?

Is anyone going to say "Well if you had kids you would not want to raise them to know the Lord."?

And perhaps he means offend your children into hell, like, not following Gods word yourself , setting a terrible example and making your kid not want to know God. I know that happens alot.

Even a thief can tell you stealing is wrong. The truth is the truth no matter the source.

If i was a theif and i told you not to steal, would you listen to me???


The truth is the truth no matter what. However weather people listen or not will depend a lot on the source.

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

You're just a ray of sunshine Ramon! Keep up the good work!

I really wish there was a like button on here!!!


cause i really REALLY like this post

 

[Thomas60]

I really wish there was a like button on here!!!


cause i really REALLY like this post

There is a reputation button, but I think your idea is defo suggestion worthy!

 

[Ramon]

I was also curious, Ramon... Just my own wondering? How many kids do you have and what's you're experience in raising them in the Lord been like? Was wondering about your personal advice on putting God's Word into action.

Hi. How are you. May Jesus bless you.

One thing i have learned is that if I based my actions on my own ideas, I would miss every time. But if my testimony is that of Jesus Christ, I can never go wrong. It starts with the knowledge that God is good and the justifier of them that obey him and keep his commands.

So if it is my wisdom you desire, then you might want to second guess that. But the wisdom of God is fearing Him. Obey Jesus, follow the Spirit and you will know for sure what is good and what is wrong, but with this we must obey the good and cast away the wrong.

It is my desire that we all be righteous as our Father is righteous. I hope that the brothers and sisters are not offended, but ever encouraged to be transformed into the image of Christ.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Forlorn-Hope]

I hope you never have children Ramon... for their sake.

 

[zeroturbulence]

Oh shut it up ramon.. .You dont have kids, and you have no idea what the heck your even yellin about... You just like to come on here USE ALL CAPS AND ACT LIKE ''GOD HAS TOLD YOU SOMETING PROFOUND'' when in reality he more than likely hasnt told you a thing.

Get off the computer and go take your medicine.

p.s. its not possible to send your children to hell weirdo...

So does this mean u aren't gonna help us start the Ramon fan club? We were thinking of making u its president.

 

[Ramon]

ok Ramon: we are to live in this world not be of it. if children are not exposed to things under the guidance of parents they would not know how to function in the world when let out of their protective shells at home. kids have influences at school that are not good and personally I'm not the home schooling type, because eventually kids will be exposed to videos, TV, movies, etc. (plus the in laws and uncles would cheat and get them that game, movie or toy for Christmas anyways, we pick our battles. i mean if you really want to analyze it, there is a frog that meditates in Little Bear, and the coyote keeps trying to eat the roadrunner, and porkie pig has no pants on )

more important is that we train them to know the boundaries of what is expected and what is not by Teaching them to value a close personal relationship with GOD. teaching them to pray and read the Bible themselves. to question what is being told and taught to them and to give them the tools needed to function in the world in a manner that is Christ-like. to love others and think of their needs and feelings.

it is not about avoiding TV shows and other things, but instilling in them at a very early age a love for God and things of God. So that if they have a choice between a new toy gun or a new book that tells a Bible story they would rather chose the book because they can learn more about God that way.

the best way to do that is to live your life as a parent in a manner that they know GOD comes first then your spouse and family, job and worldly concerns come distant third.

the focus should not be on sheltering your kids and placing more rules that God does not place on us, but living lives in a manner that God's live and light is reflected in everything we do.

May God Bless and keep you.

Amen. Very true. May Jesus bless you.

We shouldn't live double standard though. If you say that in your house the rules stand then that is how it is. It was written that we should train the child in the way they should go and when they are old they will not depart from it. Now, if a parent trains the child in the way they should NOT go then isn't this disobedience? How can you teach abstaining from things yet you are full of lust? Not as you, but as anyone who does this is teaching their children that you can be saved and live in sin. Not so. If we are truly disciples of Jesus, let us keep our conscience clear of these things.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[AnandaHya]

Amen. Very true. May Jesus bless you.

We shouldn't live double standard though. If you say that in your house the rules stand then that is how it is. It was written that we should train the child in the way they should go and when they are old they will not depart from it. Now, if a parent trains the child in the way they should NOT go then isn't this disobedience? How can you teach abstaining from things yet you are full of lust? Not as you, but as anyone who does this is teaching their children that you can be saved and live in sin. Not so. If we are truly disciples of Jesus, let us keep our conscience clear of these things.

May Jesus bless you.

Sometimes Ramon allowing others to see that you make mistakes and yet God still forgives and loves is a valuable life lesson. It is one my kids watch me live through on an almost daily basis. they know I don't expect them to be perfect but I want them to try their best. Just as God wants all of His children to do. Parents are important but God is more important when it comes to raising a child. Did you know it only takes ONE loving adult to prevent a child from being damaged mentally and emotionally? It doesn't have to be the parent, it can be the grandparent, aunt, uncle, teacher. life is more complicated, most people don't have the mom, dad, 2 1/2 kids and white picket fence. many people i know come from broken homes and carry the scars of their childhood with them. However I've watched them grow and heal through the power of God's love and the comfort of human friendship. I you see a child in need of love, perhaps you can be the one to offer it to them? they have big brother and sister mentoring programs around here, tutoring, etc. If children are not your calling I've found that people in nursing homes sometimes feel abandoned by God and in need of love and reassurance that God has not forgotten them. Plus they tell great stories about how the world used to be. lol

that is what God ask of us to show the world His love.

He did not lay down laws so that we will be enslaved by them but so that they would point us to our need of a Savior, and then He sent His only begotten Son to redeem us from our transgression.

Hope you have a blessed day Ramon.

 

[AnandaHya]

It's hard to look into the eyes of someone you know has done terrible things to kids with no remorse and feel that tug in your heart that God wants you to forgive them. Someone who refuses to forgive the abuser is just as guilty as the abuser his or herself. And yes, I speak from experience.

Things like that make me very sad... and discouraged to call myself a Christian.

Don't be discouraged. it is true that it is very hard to forgive sometimes but we must remember God forgave us and asked that we do the same. If they make you sad, forgive them for their selfishness and hypocrisy and pray for them. I think we all need as many prayers said over us as possible.

The battle is a spiritual one over our minds and hearts. Satan wants to make us sad, troubled and depressed so that we darken the light of Holy Spirit which lives inside of us. God has told us He loves us unconditionally. Don't let people or thoughts put those chains back on you. we are free! Praise the Lord! have a blessed day

 

[Ramon]

Sometimes Ramon allowing others to see that you make mistakes and yet God still forgives and loves is a valuable life lesson. It is one my kids watch me live through on an almost daily basis. they know I don't expect them to be perfect but I want them to try their best. Just as God wants all of His children to do. Parents are important but God is more important when it comes to raising a child. Did you know it only takes ONE loving adult to prevent a child from being damaged mentally and emotionally? It doesn't have to be the parent, it can be the grandparent, aunt, uncle, teacher. life is more complicated, most people don't have the mom, dad, 2 1/2 kids and white picket fence. many people i know come from broken homes and carry the scars of their childhood with them. However I've watched them grow and heal through the power of God's love and the comfort of human friendship. I you see a child in need of love, perhaps you can be the one to offer it to them? they have big brother and sister mentoring programs around here, tutoring, etc. If children are not your calling I've found that people in nursing homes sometimes feel abandoned by God and in need of love and reassurance that God has not forgotten them. Plus they tell great stories about how the world used to be. lol

that is what God ask of us to show the world His love.

He did not lay down laws so that we will be enslaved by them but so that they would point us to our need of a Savior, and then He sent His only begotten Son to redeem us from our transgression.

Hope you have a blessed day Ramon.

Ananda, my friend. If you cannot receive the message then that is that. Otherwise hear it. You should know who this is to, as those who have been taught the truth know the Truth when they hear it.

People assume it is mercilessness to say Repent. But then who do you call Jesus? We have heard these sob stories as an excuse to allow all types of things, and I have seen the end of that way. If the foundation is not Jesus Christ and the gospel of Jesus Christ, no other counseling will do. I till be built like that house that when the storms came it blew it down. But the house established on the Rock will not.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Tobby17]

PARENTS TRAIN YOUR CHILDREN IN THE WAY!!! TRAIN THEM IN OBEDIENCE TO JESUS CHRIST! I warn you in the Lord, if ANY of you offend your children into hell, you will meet the severe punishment of the Lord. Stop letting them do the things the other kids do. What you call innocent is an abomination with the Lord. Stop acting like they are okay so long as the don't do anything too bad. Train them from birth in obedience to Christ.

It is a shame as you yourself should also live in the righteousness you were bought with. If you continue to allow your children to follow this wicked world, they will be cut off from you. I tell you will loose them. Teach them righteousness, teach them to love one another. Stop allowing them to play these filthy games, watch these filthy movies and supposed kid's shows which are training tools in evil. Stop buying it for them, knowing full well that it is WRONG. How can you be children of God an children of Satan at the same time? Not so. Repent. Teach the TRUTH of the Gospel. They are not too young. And you are not too old. Repent and obey Jesus.

May Jesus bless you.

ugh I don't understand the buying of game parts coz i'm christian and my parents bought me games. SO?????????

 

[Ramon]

ugh I don't understand the buying of game parts coz i'm christian and my parents bought me games. SO?????????

Toby. It has nothing to do with games and stuff. Please don't let this be what you are hearing. Jesus made it very clear that the only thing that defiles us is what comes out of us. A game cannot corrupt me, but if I know I am weak in faith then I would not expose myself to these things. For instance, if I had a lust issue I would not expose my self to many movies, actually about most movies. If I had an anger issue I would not expose myself to hate music. Neither movies nor games nor music can keep anyone apart from the love of God, but why should we tempt ourselves?

It was written that God does not tempt men, but men are tempted when they are driven by their OWN lusts. So why tempt ourselves this way? It is also true that to the pure all things are pure, but so many people consider themselves pure and are not. The only purity comes after we have put our lives in the hands of Jesus. And once we do that Jesus teaches us how to be like him. Our righteousness is not by what we do to be accepted, or by what things we sacrifice, as Jesus said, and as Ananda explained. It is about the fact that no matter what we did, Jesus had mercy still. We show this same mercy.

Some parents have been convicted even before this message as to what things they allow and do not allow, many of them being in clear contradiction to truth and life and righteousness. Desiring to be of this world they have permitted some things that their consciences don't agree with, which the Holy Spirit works with to do. How can we keep our consciences clear, if we allow the condemnation in us to take root in rebellion? Rebellion in the small things may produce rebellion in the greater things. So as sin cannot work righteousness. Righteousness cannot work sin. And sin is written in the heart and the conscience bears witness with the Spirit whether we have done what was right and wrong.

Well. I hope this helps. May Jesus bless you.

 

[Lucy68]

Ramon, you poor guy, you're just getting really bombarded. I think you have a good point though-what does it matter if you use CAPS?

Raising children is a HUGE responsibility and there are many things in our culture that is harmful to a child's mind and soul. It is the parent's responsibility to guide the child in his/her learning of Godly teachings and of the way of the world. If anyone has a concise instruction book on this I'd love to read it. The Bible gives us many useful instructions for rearing children but it's silent on how to deal with all the stuff in our culture.

Yes, we should restrict what young children see on the TV, in movies, on the internet. My children are now in their 20's and have survived with no TV ever in our house (we did have movie player). Yet, we've watched TV at other places but it was at a minimum (and also realized we weren't missing anything). For entertainment they learned to love reading. If we'd had TV, that would never have developed. And their computer time and video game time were limited to an hour a day.

I did home school them through the 12th grade and they are both in college now. They are also viewing all sorts of awful stuff on the internet, to my eternal disappointment. But it's their life and their choice. One thing that my husband and I did focus on during the difficult time of later teens was that they lived in our house and there were things not allowed in it - like first person shooter games, horror movies, foul language, yelling at each other, etc.

The only way to raise children without negative outside influences is to live on a deserted island somewhere. But we can use common sense when it comes to what limits to set.

Ramon will probably have children some day- it's good that he is now considering God's Word on how to raise them.