What do you believe 'hell' actually is?

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What do you believe 'hell' actually is?

  • I believe hell is literally eternal torture for all unsaved souls

    Votes: 9 56.3%
  • I believe hell is torture for the wicked but not as bad for good people

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I believe hell is a separation from god but not torture

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • I believe in annihilation (unsaved souls are simply eliminated, no torture)

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • Other (I'd appreciate an explanation!)

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • I am unsure what to believe

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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Fidelis

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No, it's not. Every human alive has God's revelation by nature and conscience, they choose whether or not to reject the light they have been given.
And because they are raised in Saudi-Arabia, and think that god is Allah with his prophet called Mohammed, they deserve eternal pain and suffering?
 

Crypto

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You really didn't hear what I said, you know what is good but you refuse, God gives you guys chances, you have churches and pastors and Christians, evangelists but you can't have an excuse. Jesus was here for you to prevent hell but you are questioning it. It's simple, if you don't receive this free gift then your in hell it's fair completely:
Right on. If God's standard is perfection, and He was to let sin into heaven, God would not be just. I would not want to serve a God who is not just. Hell is completely fair and no one will have an excuse at the Great White Throne.
 

Crypto

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And because they are raised in Saudi-Arabia, and think that god is Allah with his prophet called Mohammed, they deserve eternal pain and suffering?
There are many ministries that reach into Saudi Arabia preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. And with the internet no one has an excuse.
 
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He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.( Matthew 13:37-43 )

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ( Matthew 25:41 )

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. ( Matthew 25:46)

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
( Revelation 20:10-15 )

And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.

They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. ( Numbers 16:32:33 )

Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. ( Mark 9:46 )

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. ( John 8:44 )

Surely such are the dwellings of the wicked, and this is the place of him that knoweth not God. ( Job 18:21 )

The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. ( Psalm 9:17 )
 
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@ Crypto

You're just another person saying that everyone who doesn't believe the same way you do deserves severe pain that will never end. You say this based on a total lack of empathy and being stuck in your own perspective, unable to see through any eyes but your own. Your message is as follows : People have no excuse for not believing in MY religion because everyone has the ability to learn that my religion exists.
 

Crypto

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@ Crypto

You're just another person saying that everyone who doesn't believe the same way you do deserves severe pain that will never end. You say this based on a total lack of empathy and being stuck in your own perspective, unable to see through any eyes but your own. Your message is as follows : People have no excuse for not believing in MY religion because everyone has the ability to learn that my religion exists.
See you are wrong, because my sole purpose in life is to go out telling other people about Jesus Christ, so they won't have to go to hell. The love for others is the motivation for world evangelism. Growing up as an atheist I used to believe I couldn't go to hell if I didn't believe in it. Christianity isn't the only "religion" that teaches a doctrine of eternal punishment, you can't forget that. I think you need to look at this from God's perspective not your own.
 

Crypto

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Any Christian who isn't active in sharing the gospel with a lost world is guilty of the blood of their generation.
 
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Fidelis

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There are many ministries that reach into Saudi Arabia preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. And with the internet no one has an excuse.
Are you really so short-sighted? These people were told since they were babies that jews and christians are evil porks.
 

Crypto

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Are you really so short-sighted? These people were told since they were babies that jews and christians are evil porks.
Yeah what's your point? Every false religion attacks the true. In Iran Muslims are converting to Christianity at a rate that is beyond imagination. Many see the hopelessness of Islam and want the true way.
 
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Fidelis

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Yeah what's your point? Every false religion attacks the true.
If you are told since your birth that christianity is evil, you won't listen to these people who try to convert you, because they are nothing more than porks to you!
 

Crypto

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I've already thoroughly refuted any arguments claiming that nonbelievers choose hell, deserve it, and it's fair. I'm just getting the same thing repeated back to me as if I'd never responded in the first place. You're neglecting to think about this for yourself and instead just accepting that god is always right no matter what, even if you can't actually make a case that people deserve hell. I'm sick of having to say that no, human beings don't deserve to be put into the worst possible pain forever and ever repeatedly without anyone presenting any reason as to why we do. None of you deserve pain, nor do nonbelievers. This whole subject about torture is disgusting, the kind of appalling awfulness that's so bad you can't help but be drawn to the topic. I'm a little scared by how many of you look at nonbelievers and think "that person deserves as much pain as possible for as long as possible."
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. ( Luke 18:19 )

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; ( Romans 3:23 )

nonbelievers have sinned and are no different.so your saying cause they are non believers and are still in sin that they should get off of any punishment and should be able to be in heaven as nonbelievers?
then why is it so hard for nonbelievers to just accept the truth about Jesus so they wont have to worry about hell.

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. ( Acts 4:12 )

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. ( John 3:36 )

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
( John 14:6 )

He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:10-13 )

Everyone has a chance if they make the right decision if nonbelievers dont want to be in hell then it is time for them to give their life over to Jesus plain and simple.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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Hell is the place i go every day from 8:30 to 4:00 Monday through Friday.
 
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@ Crypto

You're just another person saying that everyone who doesn't believe the same way you do deserves severe pain that will never end. You say this based on a total lack of empathy and being stuck in your own perspective, unable to see through any eyes but your own. Your message is as follows : People have no excuse for not believing in MY religion because everyone has the ability to learn that my religion exists.
everyone doesnt deserve severe pain and that is why Jesus died for our sins so that through him we can be saved and wouldent have to go to hell .
 
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NoahsMom

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The ability to choose is overrated. We are formed by our genetics, raising methods from our parents, our enviroment etc. Over rated....raising methods ....enviromnents.....you still choose, yes or no, thats like sayin my genetics caused me to rob a bank thefefor i shouldnt be held accountable.................
 
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Fidelis

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The ability to choose is overrated. We are formed by our genetics, raising methods from our parents, our enviroment etc. Over rated....raising methods ....enviromnents.....you still choose, yes or no, thats like sayin my genetics caused me to rob a bank thefefor i shouldnt be held accountable.................
That is way too rigorously.
 
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NoahsMom

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And because they are raised in Saudi-Arabia, and think that god is Allah with his prophet called Mohammed, they deserve eternal pain and suffering? No, they dont deserve it, and if thats all they have ever been taught , and never heard it any other way, I ...notice I said I, dont think they will be held accountable for it.
 
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NoahsMom

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Hell is the place i go every day from 8:30 to 4:00 Monday through Friday. This makes me laugh.....
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the whole point is to stay out of hell nonbelievers must be baptized with the holy spirit and saved by the precious blood of Jesus and be born again.and if nonbelievers aint baptized with the Holy Spirit then they are still sinners. and for the wages of sin is death. we can help nonbelievers but ultimately it is up to them.and if nonbelivers dont want to belive there is only one place for them and it aint Heaven because Heaven is Holy and without sin.