Do you believe in Spiritual gifts?

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zone

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I hear people all the time who say ones who don't believe in the gifts go to heaven like the ones who do believe, except they never live in the Kingdom now as they should.
I question this type of thinking a lot. Can one be a child of God and call God a liar? The gifts are written in the book. The book says Gods children will do even more than Jesus did.
What do you think about this?
non-charismatics are not saved, right Linda?

what have you recently done greater than what Jesus did, Linda (since we are apparently talking about signs & wonders)?

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i wonder what Paul says about Apostles:

Galatians 1
Greeting
1 Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothersa who are with me,
To the churches of Galatia:


1 Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ
1 Now I would remind you, brothers,a of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, 2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

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when was the last time anyone had the authority and power to do this?:

Acts 13
8 But Elymas the magician (for that is the meaning of his name) opposed them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. 9 But Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him 10 and said, “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord? 11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you will be blind and unable to see the sun for a time.” Immediately mist and darkness fell upon him, and he went about seeking people to lead him by the hand.12 Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had occurred, for he was astonished at the teaching of the Lord.


and what was the main purpose of the Apostle's era miraculous gifts and powers?

Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had occurred, for he was astonished at the teaching of the Lord.


the proconsul was astonished at the miracle?
at the authority of Paul?

or he believed the MESSAGE which was buttressed by the miracle?
 
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zone

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This type of "Apostle" is a distortion of truth and is being used by some as a means to manipulate others. I do agree that no such office exists (at least not in this context) and I definitely would not follow someone blindly simply because they like to refer themselves as an "Apostle".
hey Fire:
not only that, it's such a downgrade of the REAL thing in Acts....all those fantastic miracles and that amazing foundation being laid.

a pity, a real shame.
zone
 
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AnandaHya

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I believe in spiritual gifts and yes,they do still exist today because of what Jesus told His desiples,He told them that the miracles that He did we would do.He also told them that if they had the faith as a grain of mustard seed that we could say unto a mountain to be removed,believing,it shall be done but we must do it in His name,no other name would do.I can tell you of countless miracles that have been done in my life but we must also look at the miracles that occur every day all around us.The sun coming up in the morning,the moon and the stars,the birth of a child,the trees that give us the air we breath,the smile of a new born child.God is good all the time but most people take things for granted so much.I will share this with you,my younger brother was in an accident and his truck crushed his chest,ribs and punctured his lung,he was in critical condition but when we found out we asked our friends to start praying.In three weeks that boy walked out of the hospital,God answers prayers,believe and you shall recieve.Remember what Jesus told the woman with the issue of blood?,"thy faith hath made thee whole".You just keep believe and hold on the the altar of God,put your faith in Jesus all the time.God bless and keep you,hope this has been of help to you is my prayer
thank u, we should always thank God for ALL the many gifts and good things He gives us daily :)

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8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”[a](that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[b


 

phil36

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#44
I have just one question. and it is in response to one of the posts above.

What miracles have you seen or you have mediated that are greater than that of Jesus and the Apostles? anybody??

I'm sure there won't be an answer to that! So what did Jesus mean?

Is not the greatest miracle the soul of the unregenerate being made a new creation the greatest miracle and into the gentile world from Judea?

over to you!
 
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FireOnTheAltar

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#45
I have just one question. and it is in response to one of the posts above.

What miracles have you seen or you have mediated that are greater than that of Jesus and the Apostles? anybody??

I'm sure there won't be an answer to that! So what did Jesus mean?

Is not the greatest miracle the soul of the unregenerate being made a new creation the greatest miracle and into the gentile world from Judea?

over to you!
that would depend on your definition / translation of the word "greater". For some perceive it to mean more powerful, for others it would mean in large number or quantity. One would have to look at the greek for a more accurate assessment.
 

phil36

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that would depend on your definition / translation of the word "greater". For some perceive it to mean more powerful, for others it would mean in large number or quantity. One would have to look at the greek for a more accurate assessment.

Yes and people have looked at the greek for a more better understanding and infact for almost 2000 years no one believed that they could rampge around town and heal people willy nilly? as some do!!!

Now of course I am not saying that some people who believe in the gifts believe that either.... but on the whole people are lead astray by charletons..and of course Benny Hinn springs to mind amongst many.

However, on the fip side of your argument, the verse does not say miracles..it says 'works' now they can mean as John says 'signs', these signs in the other gospels miracles all point to Jesus being the Messiah and the Son of God. Yet, this is not the only use or meaning it can mean Jesus' teaching which includes his whole ministry (John 4:34; 5:36; 10:32; 17:4). These are all manisfestations of the activity of God the Father. Remember what Jesus said '

10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

Notice the word 'work' !!!


Here Jesus is teaching His disciples to imitate the things he did in his life and ministry. The disciples ''greater works'' will be possible because Jesus is going to the Father.

Greater works can also be translated Greater things. this would mean evangelism, teaching and deeds of mercy and compassion.

This was all possible because of the indwelling Holy Spiritfrom the time of pentecost.

an example..on the day of pentecost more believers were added than in all of Jesus' minidtry time.

The great miracle is a soul who was once lost being found, through evangelism , teaching , mercy and compassion.

TWhat I am saying does not mean that I don't think God can heal..you bet he can
Another point is, all the healings that sem to be reall, I do say 'seem' to be real, are of a lesser degree to what Christ could do.
 
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AnandaHya

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the forgiveness of sins is greater than the healing of the carnal body for the SPIRIT is greater than the flesh. therefore the giving of a new heart through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is greater than any miracle that Jesus before His ressurection (healing, raising the dead, casting out demons, etc).
 
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unclefester

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I have just one question. and it is in response to one of the posts above.

What miracles have you seen or you have mediated that are greater than that of Jesus and the Apostles? anybody??

I'm sure there won't be an answer to that! So what did Jesus mean?

Is not the greatest miracle the soul of the unregenerate being made a new creation the greatest miracle and into the gentile world from Judea?

over to you!
Amen to this Phil :)
 
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non-charismatics are not saved, right Linda?

what have you recently done greater than what Jesus did, Linda (since we are apparently talking about signs & wonders)?

~

i wonder what Paul says about Apostles:

Galatians 1
Greeting
1 Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothersa who are with me,
To the churches of Galatia:


1 Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ
1 Now I would remind you, brothers,a of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, 2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

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when was the last time anyone had the authority and power to do this?:

Acts 13
8 But Elymas the magician (for that is the meaning of his name) opposed them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. 9 But Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him 10 and said, “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord? 11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you will be blind and unable to see the sun for a time.” Immediately mist and darkness fell upon him, and he went about seeking people to lead him by the hand.12 Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had occurred, for he was astonished at the teaching of the Lord.


and what was the main purpose of the Apostle's era miraculous gifts and powers?

Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had occurred, for he was astonished at the teaching of the Lord.


the proconsul was astonished at the miracle?
at the authority of Paul?

or he believed the MESSAGE which was buttressed by the miracle?



What have you done Zone? I laid hands and casted out devils in Jesus name.
 
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I have just one question. and it is in response to one of the posts above.

What miracles have you seen or you have mediated that are greater than that of Jesus and the Apostles? anybody??

I'm sure there won't be an answer to that! So what did Jesus mean?

Is not the greatest miracle the soul of the unregenerate being made a new creation the greatest miracle and into the gentile world from Judea?

over to you!

I think some people need to read their bibles. The bible says Christians will do more than Jesus did. Are you calling the bible a lie???
 

Dude653

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yes,, i absolutely believe in gifts of the spirit
 

zone

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What have you done Zone? I laid hands and casted out devils in Jesus name.
how often does that opportunity arise for you Linda?
exactly why are you doing it?
is the person prepared to receive the Holy Spirit at that time?

Luke 11
Return of an Unclean Spirit
24 “When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and finding none it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ 25 And when it comes, it finds the house swept and put in order. 26 Then it goes and brings seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there. And the last state of that person is worse than the first.”
 
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how often does that opportunity arise for you Linda?
exactly why are you doing it?
is the person prepared to receive the Holy Spirit at that time?

Luke 11
Return of an Unclean Spirit
24 “When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and finding none it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ 25 And when it comes, it finds the house swept and put in order. 26 Then it goes and brings seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there. And the last state of that person is worse than the first.”

Hi Zone
I am trained very well by my Lord. I don't lay hands unless he tells me. He has actually told me I can not lay hands on some people I know he can heal. I would never cast out devil is one who wasn't ready for I know what the bible says about it. Each devil in the person would go and get 7 more devils. To go back into the person.
Actually in the name of Jesus I do this all the time giving all the glory to God. That's what I am commanded to do in his name.
The person has to have the Holy Spirit in order for me to lay hands. They are not always baptized in the Holy Spirit yet though. And some don't even know who the Holy Spirit is yet. It is a matter of they confessed that Jesus is Lord.
It's up to God if he wants me to lay hands on unsaved people. He has not ever told me to do this yet. I do think he will be or has had people do this in order for them to see his power then they decide to believe in him. He has had me go to unsaved people and give them the opportunity to say Jesus is Lord.
It's not about me Zone. It's about what God has said for his children to do.
 

WordGaurdian

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I know where in the Bible it says that God heals. I can even tell you where Paul state what gifts of manifestation of the spirit there is in 1Cor12

Hey and then I read this...
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Now this tells me these gifts go on and on. Where in the Bible does it specifically say that any of these CEASED. Please those that constantly tells us to read our Bibles. Help us and show us it in text.
 
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Hi Zone
I am trained very well by my Lord. I don't lay hands unless he tells me. He has actually told me I can not lay hands on some people I know he can heal. I would never cast out devil is one who wasn't ready for I know what the bible says about it. Each devil in the person would go and get 7 more devils. To go back into the person.
Actually in the name of Jesus I do this all the time giving all the glory to God. That's what I am commanded to do in his name.
The person has to have the Holy Spirit in order for me to lay hands. They are not always baptized in the Holy Spirit yet though. And some don't even know who the Holy Spirit is yet. It is a matter of they confessed that Jesus is Lord.
It's up to God if he wants me to lay hands on unsaved people. He has not ever told me to do this yet. I do think he will be or has had people do this in order for them to see his power then they decide to believe in him. He has had me go to unsaved people and give them the opportunity to say Jesus is Lord.
It's not about me Zone. It's about what God has said for his children to do.
Good grief......just when ya think it can't get any worse. You are instructed by God to lay hands on demon-possessed people (that also happen to have God's Holy Spirit dwelling within ) ?? And this is the prerequisite, huh ? (shakes head in utter amazement) You're kinda right about one thing. This isn't about you.......unless your name is UTTER CHAOS.
 

zone

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The person has to have the Holy Spirit in order for me to lay hands. They are not always baptized in the Holy Spirit yet though. And some don't even know who the Holy Spirit is yet. It is a matter of they confessed that Jesus is Lord..
i'm unclear on what this means, Linda.
so, you're saying you are casting demons out of Christians primarily?
how do you know if they are baptised by the Holy Spirit?

do you do this through your church?

how are the people brought you?
could you explain a typical case?

what does the laying on of hands do?
don't they just come out when commanded?

It's not about me Zone. It's about what God has said for his children to do.

i understand Linda.
zone.
 

WordGaurdian

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But PLEASE allow me to tell you what this is REALLY about.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
Act 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Now to make you understand this:
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

So what is this about? Fear.

Why would you need to test every spirit if there were no more apostles and prophets. You could simply state, there will be no more apostles and prophets after the twelve disciples of Jesus. No statement by Paul stating the different gifts. Then it would be simple. You wouldn't have to test.

But the truth is far worse. You see, if this is true, then it means some of us spend a lifetime trying to convince others they were wrong when we could have learned the secrets of the Kingdom of God.

So what is it about. Fear of false prophets and apostles. Fear of false doctrines. And so to make sure we don't get any of those, we merely state there is no more prophets and apostles. Oddly enough, a couple of years ago when people claimed they were evangelist everybody said. OK. that's normal. That's ok. Why because an evangelist preaches. So if an evangelist enter the church, no problem. Why not prophets? Well you see a prophet has an ability to sense the truth and can see through people. If we allow this in the church it means we must bring honesty back into Christianity. Truth. Of course the prophets that would then be trained would be dangerous to the enemy of God. Because discernment would be back in the church which means he would be less able to influence churches and people. So why not create another lie? After all, he is the Father of Lies. There is no more apostles and prophets. They ended when they began. They magically just stopped to exist after the last of the 12 disciples...and Paul died. Cause he is kind of odd not being part of 12, but yeah, let's just overlook that completely. No Biblical evidence is needed. Fear, my friends is a far more dangerous adversary than any false apostle or prophet could be.

Fear that you would be led astray.
Fear. Look if fear is part of the fruit of God.

And then look in which tone does those who have fear adress you, with the fruit of God?

Well, I'll let you decide.
You want to understand spiritual maturity. You talk to a lot of people and they would tell you it is how many versus you know in the Bible, or some seem to think if you are ready for spirtual battle you must know the demons names. Jesus thought so little of the demons names, that He (the son of God) had the ask the demon his name.

You want to understand spiritual maturity?

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Your senses for those who don't understand, means that you can visually see, hear, smell, taste, and feel when something is good and evil, for you can see, hear, smell, taste and feel it perfectly in your spiritual body.

I beg you. If anything learn to hear God's voice so you can learn to increase yourself in front of God so He might find you a willing and precious gift.
Stay away from sin. Abide yourself in the fruit of God. And in meekness teach others if you yourself have learned.

May God give grace to us all.
Peace be with you.
 

zone

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But PLEASE allow me to tell you what this is REALLY about.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
Act 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Now to make you understand this:
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

So what is this about? Fear.

Why would you need to test every spirit if there were no more apostles and prophets. You could simply state, there will be no more apostles and prophets after the twelve disciples of Jesus. No statement by Paul stating the different gifts. Then it would be simple. You wouldn't have to test.

But the truth is far worse. You see, if this is true, then it means some of us spend a lifetime trying to convince others they were wrong when we could have learned the secrets of the Kingdom of God.

So what is it about. Fear of false prophets and apostles. Fear of false doctrines. And so to make sure we don't get any of those, we merely state there is no more prophets and apostles. Oddly enough, a couple of years ago when people claimed they were evangelist everybody said. OK. that's normal. That's ok. Why because an evangelist preaches. So if an evangelist enter the church, no problem. Why not prophets? Well you see a prophet has an ability to sense the truth and can see through people. If we allow this in the church it means we must bring honesty back into Christianity. Truth. Of course the prophets that would then be trained would be dangerous to the enemy of God. Because discernment would be back in the church which means he would be less able to influence churches and people. So why not create another lie? After all, he is the Father of Lies. There is no more apostles and prophets. They ended when they began. They magically just stopped to exist after the last of the 12 disciples...and Paul died. Cause he is kind of odd not being part of 12, but yeah, let's just overlook that completely. No Biblical evidence is needed. Fear, my friends is a far more dangerous adversary than any false apostle or prophet could be.

Fear that you would be led astray.
Fear. Look if fear is part of the fruit of God.

And then look in which tone does those who have fear adress you, with the fruit of God?

Well, I'll let you decide.
You want to understand spiritual maturity. You talk to a lot of people and they would tell you it is how many versus you know in the Bible, or some seem to think if you are ready for spirtual battle you must know the demons names. Jesus thought so little of the demons names, that He (the son of God) had the ask the demon his name.

You want to understand spiritual maturity?

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Your senses for those who don't understand, means that you can visually see, hear, smell, taste, and feel when something is good and evil, for you can see, hear, smell, taste and feel it perfectly in your spiritual body.

I beg you. If anything learn to hear God's voice so you can learn to increase yourself in front of God so He might find you a willing and precious gift.
Stay away from sin. Abide yourself in the fruit of God. And in meekness teach others if you yourself have learned.

May God give grace to us all.
Peace be with you.
you are right its about false prophets.
no fear though.

If anything learn to hear God's voice so you can learn to increase yourself in front of God so He might find you a willing and precious gift.

does God speak to you audibly? in person?
 
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WordGaurdian said:
Fear of false doctrines. And so to make sure we don't get any of those, we merely state there is no more prophets and apostles.
Also, "I don't understand it, therefore it's false or doesn't exist."
 

zone

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Also, "I don't understand it, therefore it's false or doesn't exist."
its not that hard to understand.

Pentecostals

Main article: Pentecostalism
Pentecostalism emerged out of the Azusa Street Revival that started in 1906, with a clear emphasis on the use of spiritual gifts. Many Pentecostal denominations believe that it is necessary to speak in tongues as "initial evidence" for Baptism in the Holy Spirit to occur. A similar emphasis on the gift of healing can also be found amongst Pentecostals.

Charismatic movement

Main article: Charismatic Movement
See also: Catholic Charismatic Renewal
Beliefs similar to Pentecostalism emerged in the historic Protestant denominations from 1960 onwards, and in the Catholic Church from 1967. The Charismatic Movement is defined as those who use spiritual gifts but remain part of a mainline church.