What “Jesus” truly means

[HanselHeath]

Please... stop trying to teach; you need to do a whole lotta learning.

Don’t just hand a brother the news that he is ill if you posses his medicine!!

Preach my friend! Preach! Let your zeal and understanding be known!

 

[Dino246]

Don’t just hand a brother the news that he is ill if you posses his medicine!!

Preach my friend! Preach! Let your zeal and understanding be known!

I'd rather just tell you the truth, but it seems that you have already rejected it.

Jesus is God.

 

[HanselHeath]

I'd rather just tell you the truth, but it seems that you have already rejected it.

Jesus is God.

Thats it? This is “truth”?

Knowing this subject specific thing is suppose to inhibit love, righteousness, kindness,

Listen listen all!!

Jesus is GoD, i am saved. I now know ONE THING my salvation is assured!

Heb 6:1
1Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,

 

[Magenta]

All bible verses of Jesus being considered “GOD” are verses of others in reference to him — because they cant define a difference of the two .

All verses of Jesus himself in reference to his Father state one thing clear…he considers his father greater then HE.

Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Matt 28:18

When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said,
“Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am
alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades." Revelation 1:17-18

 

[HanselHeath]

Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Matt 28:18

When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said,
“Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am
alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades." Revelation 1:17-18

“ all authority on heaven and earth “has been given” to me”

Does god himself in full understanding of he himself being himself address authority given to himself by himself?

Would the highest authority refer to ANYTHING being “given”?

GOD IS THE GIVER AND NEVER THE RECEIVER thus he would never address to himself in receipt of anything….. especially power

 

[Magenta]

“ all authority on heaven and earth “has been given” to me”

Does god himself in full understanding of he himself being himself address authority given to himself by himself?

Could you rephrase your question so it makes sense?

Jesus said and did everything for our benefit.

If you are supposing He was talking to Himself? Nix that idea.

 

[HanselHeath]

Could you rephrase your question so it makes sense?

Jesus said and did everything for our benefit.

If you are supposing He was talking to Himself? Nix that idea.

“All authority on heaven and earth has been given to me”

Words said by JESUS CHRIST.

Words that express that “he” jesus is in (receipt) of “something” in this case being “authority of heaven & earth”

Who provided this great “authority” who is the “grantor” who granted to the “grantee”

GOD granted himself authority over his very own creation and power?

You really rationalize that god would refer about himself being in receipt of “power” while he masqueraded himself as a different entity

 

[Magenta]

“All authority on heaven and earth has been given to me”

Words said by JESUS CHRIST.

Words that express that “he” jesus is in (receipt) of “something” in this case being “authority of heaven & earth”

Who provided this great “authority” who is the “grantor” who granted to the “grantee”

GOD granted himself authority over his very own creation and power?

You really rationalize that god would refer about himself being in receipt of “power” while he masqueraded himself as a different entity

John 5:17,18- “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him,
because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me,
Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”


I am YHWH, that is My name; I will not give My glory to
another, Nor My praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8)

Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory
which I had with You before the world was. (John 17:5)

If Christ is not God, His prayer is blasphemy!

Therefore the Jews took up stones again, that they might stone Him. (John 10:31)

YHWH says:

I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
(Isaiah 44:6)

Jesus Christ says:

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last,
the beginning and the end. (Revelation 22:13)

Did Christ, like angels & men, ever say, "I am not God, do not worship me" ?

Jesus answered,
"It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" (Luke 4:8)

He certainly knew the scripture.

And he said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped Him. And Jesus said,
“For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see
may see, and that those who see may become blind.” (John 9:38-39)

And yet He never rebuked those who worshiped Him.

Please check out this thread (<= link)

With thanks to @posthuman

 

[HanselHeath]

John 5:17,18- “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him,
because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me,
Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”


I am YHWH, that is My name; I will not give My glory to
another, Nor My praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8)

Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory
which I had with You before the world was. (John 17:5)

If Christ is not God, His prayer is blasphemy!

Therefore the Jews took up stones again, that they might stone Him. (John 10:31)

YHWH says:

I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
(Isaiah 44:6)

Jesus Christ says:

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last,
the beginning and the end. (Revelation 22:13)

Did Christ, like angels & men, ever say, "I am not God, do not worship me" ?

Jesus answered,
"It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" (Luke 4:8)

He certainly knew the scripture.

And he said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped Him. And Jesus said,
“For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see
may see, and that those who see may become blind.” (John 9:38-39)

And yet He never rebuked those who worshiped Him.

Please check out this thread (<= link)

With thanks to @posthuman

God alocated all rights of salvation to believing in his son and the mission/sacrifice of his son Because salvation by the law didnt fix anything

They were not worshiping him as THE God but AS THE SAVIOR.

and as the SAVIOR he was given the highest level of authority only second to the primary form of authority in existence— his FATHER.

No one prays to JESUS. Jesus didn’t spend nights praying to himself.

In all aspects of PRAYERS PERFORMED BY JESUS—- he was PRAYING TO A POWER OUTSIDE OF HIM

This is almost as bad as the Jehovah’s Witnesses believing Jesus is Michael and absolutely disregarding salvation through jesus to salvation OLD TESTAMENT STYLE by works

You downgrade god and upgrade jesus, jehovas witnesses maintain god in power and absolutely disregard jesus.

 

[Magenta]

God alocated all rights of salvation to believing in his son and the mission/sacrifice of his son Because salvation by the law didnt fix anything

They were not worshiping him as THE God but AS THE SAVIOR.

and as the SAVIOR he was given the highest level of authority only second to the primary form of authority in existence— his FATHER.

No one prays to JESUS. Jesus didn’t spend nights praying to himself.

In all aspects of PRAYERS PERFORMED BY JESUS—- he was PRAYING TO A POWER OUTSIDE OF HIM

This is almost as bad as the Jehovah’s Witnesses believing Jesus is Michael and absolutely disregarding salvation through jesus to salvation OLD TESTAMENT STYLE by works

You downgrade god and upgrade jesus, jehovas witnesses maintain god in power and absolutely disregard jesus.

If they worshiped Him at all it would have been a SIN, and Jesus would have said so and put a halt to it. You seem convinced that, according to Jesus, it is okay to worship anyone other than God. You deny the Deity of Jesus Christ. I have already mentioned to you that that is the number one theological offense on this site. Good luck to you.

 

[HanselHeath]

If they worshiped Him at all it would have been a SIN, and Jesus would have said so and put a halt to it. You seem convinced that, according to Jesus, it is okay to worship anyone other than God. You deny the Deity of Jesus Christ. I have already mentioned to you that that is the number one theological offense on this site. Good luck to you.

Denie the DEITY of jesus? Excuse me?

I preach nothing but SALVATION THROUGH THE DEITY OF JESUS….

And that the Deity of Jesus is the significant power in which GOD the father alocates salvation.

Without Belief in Jesus being GODs son, being at a statute higher than angels, at being at a statute of absolute power and command over heaven and earthly realms there is NO FAITH.

You seem to think that because i dont put JESUS at the rank of his FATHER— THE MOST HIGH GOD…. That i am in denial of his significance? His sacrifice? His existence? His very power over my life?

It is you and your idea of what “deity” means and your stubbornness of appointment of that meaning to Jesus all while downgrading the most HIGH GOD THE FATHER… to anything lesser then THE MOST HIGH GOD THE FATHER.

 

[Magenta]

Denie the DEITY of jesus? Excuse me?

I preach nothing but SALVATION THROUGH THE DEITY OF JESUS….

And that the Deity of Jesus is the significant power in which GOD the father alocates salvation.

Without Belief in Jesus being GODs son, being at a statute higher than angels, at being at a statute of absolute power and command over heaven and earthly realms there is NO FAITH.

You seem to think that because i dont put JESUS at the rank of his FATHER— THE MOST HIGH GOD…. That i am in denial of his significance? His sacrifice? His existence? His very power over my life?

It is you and your idea of what “deity” means and your stubbornness of appointment of that meaning to Jesus all while downgrading the most HIGH GOD THE FATHER… to anything lesser then THE MOST HIGH GOD THE FATHER.

All righty then

Though you are still wrong to say:

All bible verses of Jesus being considered “GOD” are verses of others in reference to him

You claimed this was because they cant define a difference of the two .

So are they one or not? Because plainly you are giving mixed messages here.

 

[HanselHeath]

All righty then

Though you are still wrong to say:

All bible verses of Jesus being considered “GOD” are verses of others in reference to him

You claimed this was because they cant define a difference of the two .

So are they one or not? Because plainly you are giving mixed messages here.

The father and the son are (1) in essence.
the son is one with the father because he copies all the father does and attains one-ness in action — not one-ness in “being”

You cannot “be” the “who” you “mimic”

But you can act as the “who” you mimick so that all your actions are essentially equivalent via the process of copying from the “who” you mimic.

Gods whole purpose in Christ was to get HUMANS to take his word on the fact tat the “son” he sent does all he does and is all he is and that humans could surrender allegiance to him and believe that he comes with the direct messege and instruction of salvation directly without the median-ship of the church through the binding law enforced by Angels.

 

[Dino246]

Gods whole purpose in Christ was to get HUMANS to take his word on the fact tat the “son” he sent does all he does and is all he is and that humans could surrender allegiance to him and believe that he comes with the direct messege and instruction of salvation directly without the median-ship of the church through the binding law enforced by Angels.

God's "whole purpose" was to destroy the works of the devil, to open the way of salvation for humans, and to begin the movement to spread the truth about Jesus Christ.

 

[Icedaisey]

The approval of Jesus being God and totally GOD is the dissaproval of GOD separating himself from the entity of the MESSIAH.

Why would god incarnate as entirely him within understanding that he himself is him yet identifying as a lesser being such as the Messiah.

The MESSIAH is a lesser being of lesser authority then GOD, the Most high god.

To believe that an entity is passed off and given an earthly name separate then anything short of “GOD THE MOST HIGH”

is to agree that God would ever step outside the parameters of PURE GOD-ship even a lesser degree of it.

- No one goes to the son if not through the father

( projection of refferal outside of self)

John 6:38
Verse Concepts
For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

(Projection of refferal to an action none related to authority within himself but separate commanding authority)

John 5:19
Verse Concepts
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.

(projection of lesser authority of act and adoption of mimicking actions to a higher being - the father )

John 14:31
Verse Concepts
but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here.

( acceptance of order from a being not within himself but outside of self )

John 14:28
Verse Concepts
You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

(Projection of self admition in which a highet being exists and is higher in greatness then he )


I can do this for ever.


Believing in the Trinity is believing that GOD did not design a SOn, called it his SON, kept himself as GOD within Full god-ship and for one humanly life time appointed his entirety of being to a human body.

No…. Just no…. GOD will never stop being GOD and even the messiah, being an important part of his being with an allocated degree of him within him is still not the “principial He” the Father.

The son is the father as i am my father as i come from my father as i am a portion of my father but ill never be my father, i could act like my father, my father can allocate power to me but the concept of allocation of power is a hand off from a higher entity that maintains its “most high” status at all times.

Its the whole point of the messiah.

This part is the opposite of the scripture.
no one comes to the father but through me.(Jesus)

All bible verses of Jesus being considered “GOD” are verses of others in reference to him — because they cant define a difference of the two .

All verses of Jesus himself in reference to his Father state one thing clear…he considers his father greater then HE.

The definition of GOD can only come from the closest to understanding GOD… his son and not from apostle/prophetic interpretation.

Considering Jesus — GOD is round 2 of the Mosaic failure….and the Failure of the church allocated to Aaron.

The order of Melchizedek will soon reign and the church as we know it will fall.

The true church without officiation at the altar in which laws and understanding are written in the hearts of men is here.

Be well and goodbyes.

Bye.


Jesus often said he and the father are one. When you saw Jesus you saw the father.

 

[justhistruth]

GOD created Man in HIS image
GOD breathed into his nostrils The breath of LIFE
Man became a LIVING soul.
Individual from GOD, yet fully GOD in the flesh.
The image is GODs image, The breath is GODs breath(Holy is the LORD), The LIVING soul is GODs son. HE lives but not being born he is what HE is, ALONE (it is not good for the man to be alone)
He became sin that we may be MADE the righteousness of GOD in Him( King James Bible 2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.)
There is more, but start here Adam is The son of GOD not yet born. Adam and eve(man) is the second Adam to be redeemed by the First Adam who is the Express image of GOD.
Jesus of Nazareth is The LORD!

Was Adam(who had NEVER been born) Deity, The Express Image of GOD?
"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high"

Is Adam(who had NEVER been born) The Body Prepared from the beginning?
" Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:"

 

[justhistruth]

yet again, the uncontrollable necessities to believe that “you” posses the “true” answer to the famous technicality of

“Is jesus god, is god jesus, is the trinity a thing “

Out of all i wrote…. The LAST THING important there is whether GOD is jesus or not but the

SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CONCEPT OF JESUS FOR US AS SINNERS AND THE MAGNITUDE OF THE SALVATION OFFERED.

I can sit here and write down every verse regarding “God the father” and “jesus the son” and do my own version of interpretation — and 30% will agree, 30% will disagree and 30% wont care.

If it was trully necessary for US to understand this concept to its entirety—

Yet this isn’t about understanding the exact RANK of the SON but the

MEANING OF WHY THE SON.

Side note : i do not believe JESUS the son is GOD. To me Jesus is a human equipped with an “aspect” or an “attribute” of God — Gods word/righteousness in its entirety packed into a “chosen” human entity

I say “chosen” because even though the “WORD” always existed — it existed on its own as an attribute of GOD..

The human entity born in “nazareth” cAme much later.. that entity received the “word” in its entirety which lived as an attribute of the father from the beginning.. in which and through the father created all things.

Humans have a tendency to only think in geo positional and chronological fashion…. The WORD does not need a body to exist and to have existed…

God did not pack his “entire” god-ship entity as an entirety into Jesus, only the portion necessary - His word.

Hanselheath you state "that entity received the “word”
This is not so, as Jesus of Nazareth is The Fulness of The GODHEAD bodily to offer human life to GOD perfect for us so we may be acceptable by HIS blood, and by Hearing the word(Holy Bible)be improved by grace to that divine nature as good men. The word is now with us to conform us to the life of CHRIST
(Christ comes from the Greek word χριστός (chrīstós), meaning "anointed one". The word is derived from the Greek verb χρίω (chrī́ō), meaning "to anoint." In the Greek Septuagint, christos was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed".)
1 John 2:27 - But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

You also state
"The WORD does not need a body to exist and to have existed…
God did not pack his “entire” god-ship entity as an entirety into Jesus, only the portion necessary - His word.
Also this is not so, as there is NO other way for GOD(The WORD) to create a Pinocchio(in HIS own image) with the possibility to attain unto HIS own Divine Nature unless HE became that MAN.

There is ONE reason GOD became a man, "to fulfill the LAW for us, so we may exist and enjoy HIS world in the RIGHT WAY

 

[justhistruth]

When one reads books like John — you must read with an open mind

We put hyper importance in the “body” entity and believe that the “entire human entity” exists and has existed simply when in reality it is the “spiritual attribute” of that entity that is “special”

The spiritual attribute attached to the earthly body of jesus is and was always alive before the inception of his body living in GOD the Father, GOD Allocated a commanding portion of it on JESUS — enough to let the devine/human realm know — that in Jesus is HIM… - as in HIS qualities in enough “degree” to be considered “deity” and thus TRUST and Power rests on Jesus due to Jesus being an engine that is basically him — without being him.

HanselHeath this is not correct;- GOD(The Word) Himself created the man by His fulness, forming man to tend HIS garden and enjoy it. Sacrificing His body rendering up HIS spirit(who HE as GOD sent) so we by HIM may be conformed to His human likeness through hearing HIS word.
open your eyes and see through the spirit and enjoy today
Jesus of Nazareth is The LORD!

 

[justhistruth]

“we bible believing christians”

Yuck — why the inference that “i may” not be a bible believing Christian?

Is throwing shade all youve learned from the bible? Is singling your self assured idea that you posses maximum truth and i dont?

In one sentence you expressed your

1)doctrinal superiority
2) projection of hate
3) inferred me to be in the likes of apostasy
4) removed my belief in the bible
5) judged me.

We all have apportioned faith as per how GOD sees fit… that we cant control but what we can control is how

1) docile
2) compassionate
3) loving

Our expressed verbiege is to not hurt others

Hanselheath you know the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy(Rev 19:9 -10) and that no man may testify Jesus but by the Holy Ghost(1 Corinthians 12:3), to deny the Son is to deny the Father so to say you do not believe Jesus is GOD is the spirit of antichrist, not Bible believing Christianity
Wake up
Isaiah 8:20

“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”

 

[justhistruth]

After reading through your comments here I would strongly suggest that you spend a large amount of time with a good bible teacher. Your theology is to be blunt heresy.
Now I am sure that you will disagree with that comment but your eternal destiny is at stake here. You have so many mistakes in your thinking that it would be better for you to just go back to the beginning and start over.
I commend your desire to know the scriptures but an errant knowledge is not a saving knowledge. Your side note "i do not believe JESUS the son is GOD" will condemn you to hell.

King James Bible
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.