Matthew 24:14 vs Colossians 1:5-6

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John146

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Where is that in Scripture?
first mention principle...

Why go outside God's word for definitions? Some may be correct, some might be wrong. Stick with Scripture. I guess first, you have to believe you've got Scripture.
 

Dino246

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first mention principle...

Why go outside God's word for definitions? Some may be correct, some might be wrong. Stick with Scripture. I guess first, you have to believe you've got Scripture.
You are going outside of Scripture. The “first mention principle” is not in Scripture.
 

John146

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You are going outside of Scripture. The “first mention principle” is not in Scripture.
Has the Lord returned? Has the end come? Explain yourself....reconcile the Scriptures...

Can we usher in the kingdom by preaching the gospel unto all the world? Is that what the Lord is waiting for?
 
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principle = laws rules kings principal = friend family moms dads the second has 2 do with living person.
 

John146

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You are going outside of Scripture. The “first mention principle” is not in Scripture.
I learn by comparing scripture to scripture, not scripture to dictionaries, lexicons, internet, etc...
 

John146

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How do you reconcile these scriptures? Has the end come? Has the Lord returned? Why or why not?

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Colossians 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
As stated, the gospel that Paul preached (d,b,r for sins) had gone out to all the world, been preached to every creature under heaven, and gone out to all nations.

I guess like Calvinists believe, world does not mean world, all does not mean all, every does not mean every....
 

phil36

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I guess like Calvinists believe, world does not mean world, all does not mean all, every does not mean every....

Do you mean the gospel goes out to all the cosmos? I would agree with that in the context of the use of the word 'cosmos'. and 'every' well it just means that 'every' its a good determiner (in English).

So I would say your guess is not a good guess?
 

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How do you reconcile these scriptures? Has the end come? Has the Lord returned? Why or why not?

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Colossians 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
How do you reconcile these scriptures?
Matthew 24:14 is talking about the end time which is the day of the Lord what would proceed it's manifestation. While colossians 1:5 is talking about the Holy Spirit and his work in the believer which is a daily process which is already ongoing this instance while the believer moves from glory to glory until a perfect day which is the day of the Lord.
 

John146

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Do you mean the gospel goes out to all the cosmos? I would agree with that in the context of the use of the word 'cosmos'. and 'every' well it just means that 'every' its a good determiner (in English).

So I would say your guess is not a good guess?
Can you define cosmos for me? Thanks. That word is not in my Bible.
 

phil36

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Can you define cosmos for me? Thanks. That word is not in my Bible.

Certainly john146,

Thats right the translators of your english bible (translation), translated cosmos for you.

it means World.

Which of course begs the question what does it mean in any given context?
 

John146

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Matthew 24:14 is talking about the end time which is the day of the Lord when it come to pass. While colossians 1:5 is talking about the Holy Spirit and his work in the believer which is a daily process which is already ongoing this instance while the believer moves from glory to glory until a perfect day which is the day of the Lord.
Well, Paul's gospel went out into all the world, preached to every creature under heaven, and went out to all nations. I agree, Matthew 24 is end times when the gospel of the kingdom will be preached once again and will go out to all the world.
 

phil36

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Thanks! Did Paul's gospel go out into all the world? Preached to every creature under heaven? To all nations?

Did the gospel of, from and about Jesus Christ go out to all the world. It certainly did, by all those saved, starting with the apostles.

In this context world/cosmos would mean 'fallen humans', to all inhabitants of the cosmos/world.
 

John146

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Did the gospel of, from and about Jesus Christ go out to all the world. It certainly did, by all those saved, starting with the apostles.

In this context world/cosmos would mean 'fallen humans', to all inhabitants of the cosmos/world.
And yet...

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
 

John146

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Did the gospel of, from and about Jesus Christ go out to all the world. It certainly did, by all those saved, starting with the apostles.

In this context world/cosmos would mean 'fallen humans', to all inhabitants of the cosmos/world.
Here's the first mention of world:

1 Samuel 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them.

This definition remains true throughout Scripture including John 3:16. It's not the world of the elect...
 

Dino246

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Has the Lord returned? Has the end come? Explain yourself....reconcile the Scriptures...

Can we usher in the kingdom by preaching the gospel unto all the world? Is that what the Lord is waiting for?
That’s the most shameless dodge I’ve seen all week.
 

Dino246

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Here's the first mention of world:

1 Samuel 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them.

This definition remains true throughout Scripture including John 3:16. It's not the world of the elect...
That’s not a definition.

The idea that a word’s definition remains true is a general principle from outside of Scripture, not a law from within Scripture. Further, the word in the original language is what matters; the translated word is an interpretation so the principle should be applied to the Hebrew or Greek word first, and the English word secondarily.
 

phil36

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Here's the first mention of world:

1 Samuel 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them.

This definition remains true throughout Scripture including John 3:16. It's not the world of the elect...

I think Dino answered you referring to the above.

Here is what cosmos can mean in given context.
  1. an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government
  2. ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:
  3. the world, the universe
  4. the circle of the earth, the earth
  5. the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
  6. the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/kosmos.html


And:

Dictionary:
κόσμος, ου, -ὁ

Greek transliteration:
kosmos

Simplified transliteration:
kosmos

Numbers
Strong's number: 2889; GK Number: 3180

Statistics

Frequency in New Testament: 186


Gloss:
world: earth, world system, whole universe; adornment. In some contexts, the world is simply the place where people live, in other contexts (especially in John), the world is a system opposed to God

Definition:

(1) pr. order, regular disposition; ornament, decoration, embellishment, 1 Pet. 3:3;

(2) the world, the material universe, Mt. 13:35;
- the world, the aggregate of sensitive existence, 1 Cor. 4:9;
- the lower world, the earth, Mk. 16:15;
- the world, the aggregate of mankind,Mt. 5:14;
- the world, the public, Jn. 7:4; in NT the present order of things, the secular world, Jn. 18:36;
- the human race external to the Jewish nation, the heathen world, Rom. 11:12, 15;
- the world external to the Christian body, 1 Jn. 3:1, 13;
- the world or material system of the Mosaic covenant, Gal. 4:3; Col. 2:8, 20

https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/kosmos