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CS1 said:
Jesus Christ is the Word and HE is the Supreme Authority and HE said to baptize in the name of Father The Son and the Holy Spirit.

If you believe what you just wrote then you are wrong in your very own position. You refused to answer my question and now trying to back peddle to save face. I have no need to converse with you anymore. Were done :)
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I addressed this previously. The apostles obeyed Jesus' command by water baptizing people in His name. There is no contradiction in what the apostles did and what Jesus said to do. I, too, agree that Jesus is the Word.
 
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Wansvic said:
I addressed this previously. The apostles obeyed Jesus' command by water baptizing people in His name. There is no contradiction in what the apostles did and what Jesus said to do. I, too, agree that Jesus is the Word.
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Jesus did not command to baptise in his name only.

This is what he commanded

Matthew 28:19
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Now where in the above verse does say

"Baptise in the name of Jesus only"

HE DID NOT SAY THAT DID HE?

Now you like to use the actual words to back up what you believe.

Yet looking at Matthew there are not the actual words you hang your hat on.
You assume this is what Jesus said as interpreted to back up your doctrinal bent.

Yet we see

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

No mention of baptism.
Saved by belief in him.
 
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Wansvic said:
I addressed this previously. The apostles obeyed Jesus' command by water baptizing people in His name. There is no contradiction in what the apostles did and what Jesus said to do. I, too, agree that Jesus is the Word.
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No, you did not I asked you was Peter baptized in Jesus' name or with the baptism of repentance? And why did Not Jesus baptize His own chosen yet allowed them too before He was Crusified and rose again? You did not answer that you went off on some false narrative and subject changing opinion.

You do not know what you are speaking of and you need to stop telling people they are not saved. That is the most foolish thing a self-professing Christian can do. Shame on you. You should be removed for saying such a destructive thing to young believers. Shame on you.
 
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No, you did not I asked you was Peter baptized in Jesus' name or with the baptism of repentance? And why did Not Jesus baptize His own chosen yet allowed them too before He was Crusified and rose again? You did not answer that you went off on some false narrative and subject changing opinion.

You do not know what you are speaking of and you need to stop telling people they are not saved. That is the most foolish thing a self-professing Christian can do. Shame on you. You should be removed for saying such a destructive thing to young believers. Shame on you.
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You accuse me of saying you are not saved when in fact I have been sharing scripture that conveys concepts about water baptism. You are free to accept or reject what is clearly seen from the word. And that is, it is done for remission of sin, (Acts 2:38, 22:16) and it was consistently administered in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) As Jesus said, it would begin in Jerusalem and would be preached unto all nations. (Luke 24:47)

I'm done. My prayer is for you to be blessed.
 
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Wansvic said:
You accuse me of saying you are not saved when in fact I have been sharing scripture that conveys concepts about water baptism. You are free to accept or reject what is clearly seen from the word. And that is, it is done for remission of sin, (Acts 2:38, 22:16) and it was consistently administered in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) As Jesus said, it would begin in Jerusalem and would be preached unto all nations. (Luke 24:47)

I'm done. My prayer is for you to be blessed.
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NO, I reject your saying I am not saved unless I have been water baptized in Jesus' name only. Also, the word of God doesn't say that. I reject your errored Doctrine. Furthermore, this teaching has hurt many people who doubt the Lord Jesus and the salvation that comes by placing the faith in the death Burial, and Resurrection of The Lord. YO ran around the very question you were asked because you have no answer why Peter was not baptized in the name of Jesus only and why Jesus Himself did not even baptize YET have His disciples water baptize as John did.

yes, I am blessed and saved and filled with the Holy Ghost. :)
 
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NO, I reject your saying I am not saved unless I have been water baptized in Jesus' name only. Also, the word of God doesn't say that. I reject your errored Doctrine. Furthermore, this teaching has hurt many people who doubt the Lord Jesus and the salvation that comes by placing the faith in the death Burial, and Resurrection of The Lord. YO ran around the very question you were asked because you have no answer why Peter was not baptized in the name of Jesus only and why Jesus Himself did not even baptize YET have His disciples water baptize as John did.

yes, I am blessed and saved and filled with the Holy Ghost. :)
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Being born again is incomplete of forgiveness unless one is baptized. I cannot understand that new age religion teaching...only since 1960...mind you....when the Bible says we must be baptized. Research has not found any valid teaching of such before that era. Why?
 
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Scriptural validation that baptism saves;

...Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us.....

That is scripture...look it up....U r urged to stay away from new age religion teachings.
 
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peldom10 said:
Scriptural validation that baptism saves;

...Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us.....

That is scripture...look it up....U r urged to stay away from new age religion teachings.
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Let's examine the ENTIRE verse, rather than your chopped up one.

and this water (literal water from v.20) symbolizes baptism that now saves you (obviously NOT water baptism, which is symbolic) also—not the removal of dirt from the body (refers to literal water) but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

So, Peter was clear. It is NOT literal water that saves, but literal water baptism symbolizes the baptism that does save.

Mark 1:8 - I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

The "baptism that saves" is the baptism with the Holy Spirit, NOT the baptism of water.
 
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peldom10 said:
Scriptural validation that baptism saves;

...Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us.....

That is scripture...look it up....U r urged to stay away from new age religion teachings.
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Jesus is the only way to salvation. Water baptism has not redeemed anyone nor does God require that to make His children new or keep them.


You misunderstand and misapply verses and in doing so belittle the finished work of Christ. Water baptism is not the baptism of the Holy spirit.


I will continue to trust in Him as my only savior.
 
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Normal response will be

"We believe in new age religions teaching"

The fact that we believe and confess that Jesus died and rose again for the forgiveness of sins so that we are reconciled to the Father is irrelevant and does not save us.

The blood of Jesus shed for forgiveness and confession of faith obviously is not enough.

False teachers to the core indeed.
 
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OneOfHis said:
Jesus is the only way to salvation. Water baptism has not redeemed anyone nor does God require that to make His children new or keep them.
Iou misunderstand and misapply verses and in doing so belittle the finished work of Christ. Water baptism is not the baptism of the Holy spirit.
I will continue to trust in Him as my only savior.
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Why do you mention The Holy Spirit?

Why was Christ baptized?
I have shown you where the Bible says it saves. Now please show me where the Bible says it does not save?

Or acknowledge that Christ wins.
 
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Water is a symbol of God's word...plain as day.

It's God's promise that saves us.
...He is faithful and just to....
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Are you claiming that Christ was saved by being baptized?????
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Why do you insist on injecting new items in a trail of discussion... stick with the point if you wish to pursue this review further.
LOL...you are need of Bible vetting or you would not ask the questions you are asking.

I can see that you fail to understand that Christ never sinned while on this earth and needed not repentance or baptism...but was as an example of what you and I must do. Why would you even suggest such?
If you choose not answer my questions...we are finished here.
 
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While baptism does not remove the filth of the flesh (1 Peter 3:21), it does wash away sins (Acts 22:16).
 
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peldom10 said:
Being born again is incomplete of forgiveness unless one is baptized. I cannot understand that new age religion teaching...only since 1960...mind you....when the Bible says we must be baptized. Research has not found any valid teaching of such before that era. Why?
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Your understanding is flawed. Baptism is something that every Christian should undergo, but it is nothing to do with being born again. Do you think that God is unfair and unjust? Some people are saved in prison or on their deathbed. They have no opportunity to be baptised. I was saved through a Methodist evangelist. There was no mention of baptism and I had no knowledge of believer's baptism. I can assure you that I was born again, instantly, about a year before I learned about baptism in water. I was baptised because I was born again, not in order to be born again.

In your false view, if I'd died prior to being baptised, I would have gone to hell. You make salvation dependent on a work that we have to do. That makes a mockery of the Word that says by grace we are saved through faith.
 
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Gideon300 said:
Your understanding is flawed. Baptism is something that every Christian should undergo, but it is nothing to do with being born again. Do you think that God is unfair and unjust? Some people are saved in prison or on their deathbed. They have no opportunity to be baptised. I was saved through a Methodist evangelist. There was no mention of baptism and I had no knowledge of believer's baptism. I can assure you that I was born again, instantly, about a year before I learned about baptism in water. I was baptised because I was born again, not in order to be born again.

In your false view, if I'd died prior to being baptised, I would have gone to hell. You make salvation dependent on a work that we have to do. That makes a mockery of the Word that says by grace we are saved through faith.
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the jews had their circumcision pushers.

The gentiles have their baptism pushers.

Satan won great victories using these two great symbols of Gods power to add to the gospel of salvation and make it a false gospel of works.
 
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Gideon300 said:
Your understanding is flawed. Baptism is something that every Christian should undergo, but it is nothing to do with being born again. Do you think that God is unfair and unjust? Some people are saved in prison or on their deathbed. They have no opportunity to be baptised. I was saved through a Methodist evangelist. There was no mention of baptism and I had no knowledge of believer's baptism. I can assure you that I was born again, instantly, about a year before I learned about baptism in water. I was baptised because I was born again, not in order to be born again.

In your false view, if I'd died prior to being baptised, I would have gone to hell. You make salvation dependent on a work that we have to do. That makes a mockery of the Word that says by grace we are saved through faith.
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See John 3:5.

There, "water" may in fact be speaking of amniotic fluid; however we would do well not to bank on such a doctrine for our salvation. Because if it is referring to baptism, then amniotic fluid isn't going to cut it

The Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who receive baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38-39).

Of course, the Holy Ghost is also promised to those who ask, seek, and knock (Luke 11:9-13). But it begs the question of how you walk through the door once it is opened to you.

It is written in 1 Peter 3:20-21 that "water baptism doth also now save us".

This is not a removal of the filth of the flesh (1 Peter 3:21); but it is a washing away of sins (Acts 22:16).

I know that there are teachings out there that argue against the plain meaning of the scriptures in question. I would only say that the lord means what He says and says what He means; and that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for the pulling down of strongholds.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
the jews had their circumcision pushers.

The gentiles have their baptism pushers.

Satan won great victories using these two great symbols of Gods power to add to the gospel of salvation and make it a false gospel of works.
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Yes, baptism is likened unto circumcision in Colossians 2:11-12.

However, Paul taught that being circumcised would damn a person.

Whereas Peter taught that if anyone is baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins, that there is an absolute promise of the Holy Ghost that is in store for them (Acts 2:38-39).

If having the Holy Ghost means salvation; and it does (Romans 8:9), then baptism in Jesus' Name is a way of procuring salvation.

Another way is to receive Jesus into your heart (John 1:12). Since the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of Jesus, it follows that if I receive Jesus, I am receiving the Holy Ghost.

But if baptism is likened unto circumcision, then there is condemnation over being baptized in Jesus' Name.

So, I am condemned when I procure the promise of the Holy Ghost through fulfilling the condition of the promise found in Acts 2:38?

It does not logically follow.

In your understanding, a person will be condemned for receiving the Holy Ghost.

It follows that however you receive the Holy Ghost, it is unto condemnation, if your thesis has any kind of merit at all.
 
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