Did Christ change God?

[eternally-gratefull]

Anyone who thinks law has no place in the New Covenant is not versed in any wise in the NT scriptures.
If they are of that opinion and claim the name of Christ as their rock and faith, they're foolish out of ignorance, or are false and purposed.

And before the retort arrives, rude and full of slights and pejoratives that lend evidence to the latter of purpose, no. Why repeat the same scriptures over and over again hoping for a different result?

When such ones ignore the NT evidence in itself, excerpts here don't stand a chance.

"There's no law that applies to the NT Christian!"
Scary thought. And patently untrue.

Anyone who thinks the law has a place in the New Covenant just has not ready scripture.

The law is a whole entity. The fact there are no more animal sacrifices in the new covenant shows the law was insufficient.

The law is the old covenant. It is fading away as we speak.

its time to repent and turn to the new

 

[mindfulzen]

There was a major change with Christ, for before Christ commands were often explained through commands to act them out in the flesh like cutting skin to act out circumcision, and with Christ that was taken away. Now God speaks to us directly through the holy spirit.

Some people say that the truths of God changed. They say there was no grace before Christ. They say the old covenant taught works, the new replaced works with faith. They say Christ made the world new and different. They back this up by pointing out that Christ fulfilled the law. There are two ways of interpreting the word fulfill. One way is to say Christ made all the promises of the old covenant come true and it was now in full operation. The other way is to interpret that to mean that because Christ fulfilled the promises that they are done with and God threw them out.

Others say that it can all be explained by understanding that God was speaking and working with the Hebrews, not with the truth of the Lord. They say that what the Lord told Israel was for them alone, not for us. I don’t understand that way of thinking, but it seems they think that the new covenant meant God suddenly included the gentiles when God spoke.

When God spoke to us differently, when God spoke to our hearts, there was a change. What do you think changed?

Did not change Gods principle, but for God to feel the pain of Jesus, and how impossible it was to talk common sense to people, and make them act good, and get the point, not act up was of course informative for the oberserver. We needed more guidence, so we got Jesus, and it was made abundantly clear we needed even more guidence after people killed Jesus. It is amazing that God did not just end the project.

 

[BillG]

My mother advises me, it is not the place for other people to try to mother me. I welcome her explanations of her strange interpretations of scripture, but she seldom gives it as she is so focused on advising and trying to change me. It is not her place to do. Or his place, whatever.

Thank you for responding.
I thought I was on ignore with you as you did not respond to my post on
"What do you think about works"
#11

I now see what you are saying, but I have to ask the question that if we make posts are we not trying to change the other person and if so are we advising to change?

 

[SophieT]

My mother advises me, it is not the place for other people to try to mother me. I welcome her explanations of her strange interpretations of scripture, but she seldom gives it as she is so focused on advising and trying to change me. It is not her place to do. Or his place, whatever.

ummm

you have presented yourself as a very elderly lady in a home, so, how can you be talking to your mother? that would make her like....130 or something

you speak about her as though she were still alive

actually, you appear to be doing the very things you say your 'mother' is doing

 

[SophieT]

Anyone who thinks law has no place in the New Covenant is not versed in any wise in the NT scriptures.
If they are of that opinion and claim the name of Christ as their rock and faith, they're foolish out of ignorance, or are false and purposed.

And before the retort arrives, rude and full of slights and pejoratives that lend evidence to the latter of purpose, no. Why repeat the same scriptures over and over again hoping for a different result?

When such ones ignore the NT evidence in itself, excerpts here don't stand a chance.

"There's no law that applies to the NT Christian!"
Scary thought. And patently untrue.

she said

only scripture does not agree

with what she said

 

[Icedaisey]

Nothing changed. God's dealings with men started in earnest with Abraham, not the nation of Israel. God's promise was that all the families of the earth would be blessed. The promised seed was not Isaac, but looked forward to Lord Jesus. (Galatians 3:16) So while the Jews are Abraham's physical descendants, Lord Jesus is the Promised One. (Genesis 22:18)

Christ has not changed the world. He overcame the world. It is still God's enemy.

The New Covenant is of faith, of life, of grace, not Law. The born again live by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Before Christ, it was up to man to obey the law as best he could, under threat of extreme punishment for disobedience and the promise of great reward for obedience.

Before Christ, only a few had the blessing of the Holy Spirit. It was reserved for prophets, priests, judges and then kings. Now all who are born again have the indwelling Holy Spirit and they may also enjoy the baptism of the Holy Spirit. No longer does an earthly priest represent man to God (one of my beefs with Catholicism). Every believer has full rights to enter God's presence. We don't need fancy robes (sorry, Orthodox), we are clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

The problem with the law v grace discussion is that it misses the point. Everyone is born dead in trespass and sin. The Law simply exposed the innate pride and rebellion of the human heart. It still does. Lord Jesus expounded the Law in the sermon on the mount. He did not make it easier. He showed God's true intent. It is not just hard, it is impossible! For us, that is. In Christ, we are made alive. We then have the opportunity to live, not by the law, but by the inner leading and empowering of the Life of Christ within.

If Christians only realised that they no longer have to strive to be something, life would be much easier. If they saw that it is the life of Christ that gives the motivation to obey and the power to obey, they would overcome the problems that beset them.

The New Covenant is about relationship. You can't have fellowship with a stone. Rules are for young children to obey blindly. God wants a people that He can be friends with, as He was with Abraham.

The question is, will we pay the price? To be born again costs nothing. To be a friend of God costs everything.

Can't have a relationship with a stone? Christ is the Rock.

The world is still God's enemy? That's patently false.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world....

The world God created, Genesis 1,along with all else, in six "days". And afterward looked upon all of his creation and judged it good.

Whereas, it was the creation of man that God regretted.

Genesis 6...Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time. 6 And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

 

[SophieT]

"There's no law that applies to the NT Christian!"
Scary thought. And patently untrue.

those are your own words and you appear very gifted in rhetoric and accusation

Christ has fulfilled all the obligations of the law. we are IN Christ and HIS righteousness is OUR righteousness IF we are IN Him

claiming our own righteousness put us in the same class as the Pharisees

I am IN Christ as are others who understand that the law is not for believers, but rather those without the sheep fold

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can't have a relationship with a stone? Christ is the Rock.

The world is still God's enemy? That's patently false.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world....

The world God created, Genesis 1,along with all else, in six "days". And afterward looked upon all of his creation and judged it good.

Whereas, it was the creation of man that God regretted.

Genesis 6...Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time. 6 And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

What translation is this?

Hw do you get regret from repent?

 

[ResidentAlien]

This site is for people who know and accept Christ as their savior. Gentiles who don't know Christ read it to learn something about him.

I'm not talking about just people at this site. I'm talking about the millions of Gentile Christians around the world. Sure, they may read a little bit and have a superficial knowledge, but if they're going to be good Christians, don't they need to know and understand all the laws so they can keep their spirit?

 

[SophieT]

What translation is this?

Hw do you get regret from repent?

someone needs to inform her that this world is going to pass away...by fire..

ALL of creation is groaning and waiting for redemption

18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.

26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

I don't know where she gets these ideas from, but obviously they are not scriptural

I cannot help it if the Bible disagrees with what she wrote

 

[rayzor]

those are your own words and you appear very gifted in rhetoric and accusation

Christ has fulfilled all the obligations of the law. we are IN Christ and HIS righteousness is OUR righteousness IF we are IN Him

claiming our own righteousness put us in the same class as the Pharisees

I am IN Christ as are others who understand that the law is not for believers, but rather those without the sheep fold

That's not what being said was right? cause people think the laws is a set of rules never has been. Those things are propaganda old and new covenant It's always been grace

 

[Icedaisey]

Man changed in Eden when we filled satans word and so This changed our perception

“So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:24‬ ‭

the law came like that

“And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice. And the Lord came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the Lord called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up. And the Lord said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the Lord to gaze, and many of them perish.

And the Lord said unto him, Away, get thee down, and thou shalt come up, thou, and Aaron with thee: but let not the priests and the people break through to come up unto the Lord, lest he break forth upon them.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭19:18-21, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they were kept from seeing and knowing God because of thier sin and the separation it caused and death it brings

Christ came in our form not terrifying fire because he was coming to remit sin he called us near like this

“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he is able to fall
Men into his presence and not be destroyed so we can know him in truth without the terror that causes us to not hear

“And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:19‬ ‭

This lead to the promise of Christ who would come and speak his word later

“According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:16, 18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ is the fulfillment of that promised law giver

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-24, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his fulfillment is he fulfilled all
Of the promises of the lord to come like that one he is literally the promises God made in the Old Testament come to
Pass

they were never able to really hear God because thier hearts were hard by sin and it created terror in his presence Christ came as a man d called sinners near to him to be saved through repentance

You might research the term, though not in scripture but able to be found with little enough effort, and known as, "Patriarchal Law".
This was God's law.

The law's authority applied from Eden unto Sinai, for the Hebrews. As we know God's law then at Sinai was given unto Moses. This law is often referred to as the Law of Moses. But it was always God's law.

Whereas the "Patriarchal law" applied unto the Gentiles from Eden unto the Christian dispensation.

Further, because Covenants are almost always part of discussions regarding God's law, there are actually 8 Covenants in God's word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You might research the term, though not in scripture but able to be found with little enough effort, and known as, "Patriarchal Law".
This was God's law.

The law's authority applied from Eden unto Sinai, for the Hebrews. As we know God's law then at Sinai was given unto Moses. This law is often referred to as the Law of Moses. But it was always God's law.

Whereas the "Patriarchal law" applied unto the Gentiles from Eden unto the Christian dispensation.

Further, because Covenants are almost always part of discussions regarding God's law, there are actually 8 Covenants in God's word.

Whats funny is until the law of moses was given. No one could be charged for sin because there was no law. So God passed over the sins of the people.

The second problem is what sin actually is. To many people want to relegate sins to commands or breaking of commands. When is reality. Two people can be doing the same thing, For one, He is doing it in sin, The other is doing it and she is not doing it in sin.

While yes. Adultry is a sin. If that is all we look at (though shalt not commit adultry) we miss the deeper issue. And we only think we commited one sin, when in reality, bu the time the carnal act was commited. We have commited many sins.

So when we focus on laws. We miss the real issue, What good is it to repent of a physical act. And confess that act. When we miss the true sin behind the carnal act. And fail to get healed or confess that/those sins.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 13:10

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You might research the term, though not in scripture but able to be found with little enough effort, and known as, "Patriarchal Law".
This was God's law.

The law's authority applied from Eden unto Sinai, for the Hebrews. As we know God's law then at Sinai was given unto Moses. This law is often referred to as the Law of Moses. But it was always God's law.

Whereas the "Patriarchal law" applied unto the Gentiles from Eden unto the Christian dispensation.

Further, because Covenants are almost always part of discussions regarding God's law, there are actually 8 Covenants in God's word.

I’m not really good in searching terms and ideas outside of scripture im more of the belief ( just how I myself think ) that scripture explains scripture . I sort of purposely stay out of things and theological ideas and try to understand scripture by scripture

Moses law is a result of mans sinfulness it was added in and wasn’t from the beginning , and it was ordained of angels and given into Moses hand and eas only meant to last until Christ came preaching the gospel


“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think some people miss that Abraham Isaac and Jacob ( the fathers ) lived before the law was given by Moses . And Moses law was for the children of Israel. Not the fathers.


We are of the gospel that was promised to Abraham before the law came

“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law because it was from transgression , ordained of angels and given into Moses hand is a curse , cannot justify and is not of faith

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s called Moses law because Moses lates his life on the line when he interceded to save the people

You can actually see what happened here you can see Moses authority and judgement and the angel who was left over them when they worshipped the calf

“And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? …


( watch Moses Independant authority )

And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt it in the fire, and ground it to powder, and strawed it upon the water, and made the children of Israel drink of it.

And he said unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.


And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin―; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.

And the Lord plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:7-11, 20, 27-28, 31-35‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Abraham Isaac and Jacob had no part of those things they were of the promised gospel and thkngs of faith found in Christ Jesus Moses and the angels over the law Moses because he saved them by laying his own life on the line , the angels because of what’s the people did

 

[Icedaisey]

I disagree, at least as far as I understand you.

He speaks to us through His Word. The Holy Spirit illuminates His Word and leads us into all truth. There's no need for for more "revelations" from the Spirit other than what we already have in the Bible.

Romans 8:14
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

John 16:12-14
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

With regard to your statement about not needing anymore revelations than what is in the Bible, Christianity preceded the Bible. There was no NT written immediately after Jesus. Even so the faithful constituted God's church.
1 Corinthians 1:2, 1st Corinthians 15:1-5

And even when what we'd New Testament letters or writings did appear, starting nearly a decade after Christ returned home, the peasant class would not have access to or likely been able to read them. None the less, even without a Bible the church continued on.

This is why the faiths teachings from Jesus was referred to as an oral tradition.

The Good News spread by word of mouth, or the literate among the church members would read what letters or scripture were available.

This too I think important to interject at this point.

At the Council of Nicea, convened by Roman emperor Constantine in 325 A.D, there was no recognized canon of scripture.

The gathering at Nicea was largely convened to decide on an Orthodox doctrine of beliefs. Because members of the church were teaching from different gospels and writings or accounts of Jesus' teachings.

 

[Icedaisey]

I’m not really good in searching terms and ideas outside of scripture im more of the belief ( just how I myself think ) that scripture explains scripture . I sort of purposely stay out of things and theological ideas and try to understand scripture by scripture

Moses law is a result of mans sinfulness it was added in and wasn’t from the beginning , and it was ordained of angels and given into Moses hand and eas only meant to last until Christ came preaching the gospel


“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think some people miss that Abraham Isaac and Jacob ( the fathers ) lived before the law was given by Moses . And Moses law was for the children of Israel. Not the fathers.


We are of the gospel that was promised to Abraham before the law came

“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law because it was from transgression , ordained of angels and given into Moses hand is a curse , cannot justify and is not of faith

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s called Moses law because Moses lates his life on the line when he interceded to save the people

You can actually see what happened here you can see Moses authority and judgement and the angel who was left over them when they worshipped the calf

“And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? …


( watch Moses Independant authority )

And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt it in the fire, and ground it to powder, and strawed it upon the water, and made the children of Israel drink of it.

And he said unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.


And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin―; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.

And the Lord plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:7-11, 20, 27-28, 31-35‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Abraham Isaac and Jacob had no part of those things they were of the promised gospel and thkngs of faith found in Christ Jesus Moses and the angels over the law Moses because he saved them by laying his own life on the line , the angels because of what’s the people did

Just so I'm clear, are you saying the law was made by angels?

Excerpted from your post:
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

The curse is sin. The people remain sinning if they continue to sin because they are not living under all things written in the law.

RE: The Patriarchal or Law of the Patriarch's, is in the Bible. As I said, it isn't referred to by those titles but it is there. And it governed all people from Eden into Moses when he was given God's law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just so I'm clear, are you saying the law was made by angels?

Excerpted from your post:
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

The curse is sin. The people remain sinning if they continue to sin because they are not living under all things written in the law.

RE: The Patriarchal or Law of the Patriarch's, is in the Bible. As I said, it isn't referred to by those titles but it is there. And it governed all people from Eden into Moses when he was given God's law.

The curse is death. Not sin

Jesus did not suffer the curse by sinning, He suffered the curse by hangin on a tree (death)

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Just so I'm clear, are you saying the law was made by angels?

Excerpted from your post:
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

The curse is sin. The people remain sinning if they continue to sin because they are not living under all things written in the law.

RE: The Patriarchal or Law of the Patriarch's, is in the Bible. As I said, it isn't referred to by those titles but it is there. And it governed all people from Eden into Moses when he was given God's law.

nope I’m saying God spoke the commandments they broke the first one and he turned them over to worship the angels bit before you stone me consider why Stephen was stoned

“And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. ( which I just referred you to )

Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted?

they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:41-42, 51-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m saying because of that transgression the law was given over to the angels this one in particular

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and as to the purpose of the law it’s in the quote itself because that angel unforgiving as he was was set over Moses law it’s works even if kept can’t justify anyone because it’s not of faith it’s of works and it’s also explicitly for these folk

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why it’s a curse it’s for the cursed

if you notice even Moses wasn’t forgiven for his one transgression under the law he died and wasn’t allowed to enter the promised land

 

[Pilgrimshope]

nope I’m saying God spoke the commandments they broke the first one and he turned them over to worship the angels bit before you stone me consider why Stephen was stoned

“And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. ( which I just referred you to )

Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted?

they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:41-42, 51-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m saying because of that transgression the law was given over to the angels this one in particular

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and as to the purpose of the law it’s in the quote itself because that angel unforgiving as he was was set over Moses law it’s works even if kept can’t justify anyone because it’s not of faith it’s of works and it’s also explicitly for these folk

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why it’s a curse it’s for the cursed

if you notice even Moses wasn’t forgiven for his one transgression under the law he died and wasn’t allowed to enter the promised land

of your able to accept that the book of Hebrews opens up to you