Did Christ change God?

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ResidentAlien

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Now God speaks to us directly through the holy spirit.

I disagree, at least as far as I understand you.

He speaks to us through His Word. The Holy Spirit illuminates His Word and leads us into all truth. There's no need for for more "revelations" from the Spirit other than what we already have in the Bible.
 

Blik

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I disagree, at least as far as I understand you.

He speaks to us through His Word. The Holy Spirit illuminates His Word and leads us into all truth. There's no need for for more "revelations" from the Spirit other than what we alrean the Bible.
God, in his word, told man to mark skin as a mark of being set apart for him, then God changed that to say we must be set apart in our hearts, not our skin. That is a change. How do you account for that? God said we must be sure our food is without garbage but pure, then God said food we eat goes in our stomach and is eliminated, it is food in our hearts (minds) that counts. That is a change.

The Lord gave the old covenant and then changed it to the new covenant.
 

ResidentAlien

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God, in his word, told man to mark skin as a mark of being set apart for him, then God changed that to say we must be set apart in our hearts, not our skin. That is a change. How do you account for that? God said we must be sure our food is without garbage but pure, then God said food we eat goes in our stomach and is eliminated, it is food in our hearts (minds) that counts. That is a change.

The Lord gave the old covenant and then changed it to the new covenant.
I can't really respond because I'm still not sure what you mean by "Now God speaks to us directly through the Holy Spirit." Are you saying we're now able to hear the Spirit because of a changed heart?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I asked for your comments on scripture, not your put downs. Please keep to scripture. Have you ever read scripture that you seem so unable to speak of it? I recommend that you go to scripture instead of living in your world of only being worldly critical. You are good at advice, expert of ways of the world, can you accept what you so freely give?
1. You asked. Did Christ change God? We have the right to answer that
2. You bore false witness claiming people say Gods truth has changed.

Its kind of hard to go to scripture for anyone if your main point is wrong.. We need to get that straightened out first.

can you respond to why you made untruthful statements? Or continue?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What some miss is the OP title is a question that invites respectful opinions and debate. Not a statement that does not.
again

she needs to correct her OP..

When we show her an error. its not being ride. in fact it is being nice. we could just let her continue with her mistake..
 

Dino246

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God, in his word, told man to mark skin as a mark of being set apart for him, then God changed that to say we must be set apart in our hearts, not our skin. That is a change. How do you account for that? God said we must be sure our food is without garbage but pure, then God said food we eat goes in our stomach and is eliminated, it is food in our hearts (minds) that counts. That is a change.

The Lord gave the old covenant and then changed it to the new covenant.
God did not change the old covenant; He fulfilled it through Christ, and He set it aside in favour of the new covenant.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God did not change the old covenant; He fulfilled it through Christ, and He set it aside in favour of the new covenant.
amen/ the old covenant is still the same, it never changed.
 

Blik

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I can't really respond because I'm still not sure what you mean by "Now God speaks to us directly through the Holy Spirit." Are you saying we're now able to hear the Spirit because of a changed heart?
I am saying that God spoke to man in the OT about spiritual things by using fleshly symbols of the the spirit of the Lord, God asks us all to be circumcised, but in the OT he had them mark skin to show they were set apart and belonged to the Lord, but after the new covenant that command was given directly by the holy spirit for our understanding of it, and the cutting of skin was obsolete. We are to read all the commands given in the old testament with the new understanding we are given now.

God did not change his commands, but God changed the method of delivering those commands. God is eternal, God does not change.
 

JaumeJ

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God will speak to all of His children, sometimes with a voice, sometimes with no words at ll, simply by the Spirit with no actual words audible, simply pure understanding.
 

ResidentAlien

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I am saying that God spoke to man in the OT about spiritual things by using fleshly symbols of the the spirit of the Lord, God asks us all to be circumcised, but in the OT he had them mark skin to show they were set apart and belonged to the Lord, but after the new covenant that command was given directly by the holy spirit for our understanding of it, and the cutting of skin was obsolete. We are to read all the commands given in the old testament with the new understanding we are given now.

God did not change his commands, but God changed the method of delivering those commands. God is eternal, God does not change.
By "all the commands," what are you talking about? The ten commandments, including the Sabbath? The whole Torah, dietary regulations, feasts, etc.? Or just the moral law?
 

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I am saying that God spoke to man in the OT about spiritual things by using fleshly symbols of the the spirit of the Lord, God asks us all to be circumcised, but in the OT he had them mark skin to show they were set apart and belonged to the Lord, but after the new covenant that command was given directly by the holy spirit for our understanding of it, and the cutting of skin was obsolete. We are to read all the commands given in the old testament with the new understanding we are given now.

God did not change his commands, but God changed the method of delivering those commands. God is eternal, God does not change.


because we are not able to talk to the authors, people try (by their limited views and ideas about life and God and the Bible) to understand these things without getting the answers to what it all actually means -- from God himself.
 

Dino246

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I am saying that God spoke to man in the OT about spiritual things by using fleshly symbols of the the spirit of the Lord, God asks us all to be circumcised, but in the OT he had them mark skin to show they were set apart and belonged to the Lord, but after the new covenant that command was given directly by the holy spirit for our understanding of it, and the cutting of skin was obsolete. We are to read all the commands given in the old testament with the new understanding we are given now.

God did not change his commands, but God changed the method of delivering those commands. God is eternal, God does not change.
There is so much more to the old covenant than ten commandments and circumcision... as I'm sure you know. I would encourage you to consider the rest of it, and to frame your comments in light of the entire old covenant, not merely these two components.
 

Blik

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By "all the commands," what are you talking about? The ten commandments, including the Sabbath? The whole Torah, dietary regulations, feasts, etc.? Or just the moral law?
I think God tells us he is perfect and he and his commands are eternal. We are to know the difference between giving commands in stone as his command no to murder or to cut skin to be circumcised is, but under the new covenant we are to know the spirit of those commands and not to read them as being under the old covenant. We are under the new covenant. So as Christ said under the old covenant "you have been told" but Christ brought in the new covenant so Christ says "but I tell you". Christ explained that he did not change anything his Father told us, yet here is a change. I think we are to see this as under the new covenant not to murder is not to murder them in our hearts, but respect them as people. To be circumcised is not to cut skin but belong to God as a set apart people in our hearts. We are not to say God is not eternal and what God says is not eternal, but to read what God says under the new covenant.
 

BillG

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If you would like to make a post, please do so but this is not your post. I didn't ask you to rewrite it, but to tell us what your interpretation of scripture is. I have a mother, scripture, God, the holy spirit. I do not need you to try to take their place.

I agree, the change is in how God presented his ways to us, it is wrote the law on our hearts. Thank you for that.
@Dino246

Did not rewrite your post.

He responded to your post by quoting the individual parts of it and presenting his belief.

He is entitled to do this.
This is a discussion forum, and he discussed and gave his views,

Got no idea by what you mean "I have a mother"
Please expand

Yes we all have God, the Holy Spirit as a result of faith in Jesus and be reticent that you do not do the same enforcing upon others that you reject for you.

As said we are all entitled to post what we want on a discussion forum.
You, me and everyone on this site.
 

Blik

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There is so much more to the old covenant than ten commandments and circumcision... as I'm sure you know. I would encourage you to consider the rest of it, and to frame your comments in light of the entire old covenant, not merely these two components.
And I advise you to state your interpretations of scripture without advise to others. You are you, not me. Act like it.
 

ResidentAlien

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Okay, I see where you're coming from.

What about Gentiles who have never even heard of the Law, much less know anything about it. Are we supposed to now indoctrinate everyone into the Law so they can keep the spirit of it?
 

Blik

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@Dino246

Did not rewrite your post.

He responded to your post by quoting the individual parts of it and presenting his belief.

He is entitled to do this.
This is a discussion forum, and he discussed and gave his views,

Got no idea by what you mean "I have a mother"
Please expand

Yes we all have God, the Holy Spirit as a result of faith in Jesus and be reticent that you do not do the same enforcing upon others that you reject for you.

As said we are all entitled to post what we want on a discussion forum.
You, me and everyone on this site.
My mother advises me, it is not the place for other people to try to mother me. I welcome her explanations of her strange interpretations of scripture, but she seldom gives it as she is so focused on advising and trying to change me. It is not her place to do. Or his place, whatever.
 

Blik

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Okay, I see where you're coming from.

What about Gentiles who have never even heard of the Law, much less know anything about it. Are we supposed to now indoctrinate everyone into the Law so they can keep the spirit of it?
This site is for people who know and accept Christ as their savior. Gentiles who don't know Christ read it to learn something about him.
 

Icedaisey

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Anyone who thinks law has no place in the New Covenant is not versed in any wise in the NT scriptures.
If they are of that opinion and claim the name of Christ as their rock and faith, they're foolish out of ignorance, or are false and purposed.

And before the retort arrives, rude and full of slights and pejoratives that lend evidence to the latter of purpose, no. Why repeat the same scriptures over and over again hoping for a different result?

When such ones ignore the NT evidence in itself, excerpts here don't stand a chance.

"There's no law that applies to the NT Christian!"
Scary thought. And patently untrue.
 
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My mother advises me, it is not the place for other people to try to mother me. I welcome her explanations of her strange interpretations of scripture, but she seldom gives it as she is so focused on advising and trying to change me. It is not her place to do. Or his place, whatever.
Your not in zion yet or you would have many mothers,,,much family!:)