How to defend the doctrine of the Holy Trinity

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The trinity is not figured out.

It is declared in the bible and accepted
 
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And experienced.... We experience Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God the Father. Jesus was clear that He came from the Father and taught how when Holy Spirit came He would guide us in ALL truth.
 
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LactoseIntolerant said:
Hello justbyfaith, like I said last on that thread, we have different standards of truth. Conjectures not consistent with the Scriptures are rejected.
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My standard of truth is the kjv of the holy scriptures.

I take it your standard is the NeWT (a cousin fo the snake)?
 
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CS1 said:
Actual, the Scriptures say the Godhead is a mystery.

What we can know by revelation is :

  • General revelation by Creation read Romans chapter 1
  • Special revelation The word of God
  • Illumination from the relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
because we are limited and God is not limited, we are unable to fully know about the Divine NATURE OF GOD.
We from His creation and word and salvation receive enough for righteous living and appropriate worship.
TO sat we can know all is very much untrue.
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A mystery, in scripture, is something that was previously hidden but has now been revealed.
 
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CS1 said:
1. we cannot fully understand the Divine nature of God. We are limited. Yet, the scriptures speak of God as the Father and The Son and the Holy Spirit. We must be very reverent and come with humility as we seek to know more of Him. Our ability to know Him fully will not happen on this side of heaven.
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why limit yourself?
 
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CS1 said:
Actual, the Scriptures say the Godhead is a mystery.

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because we are limited and God is not limited, we are unable to fully know about the Divine NATURE OF GOD.
We from His creation and word and salvation receive enough for righteous living and appropriate worship.
TO sat we can know all is very much untrue.
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"5 let this mind be in you"
 
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justbyfaith said:
A mystery, in scripture, is something that was previously hidden but has now been revealed.
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Yes but in context to the Godhead, not all have been revealed. You have not seen God YET, You only know HE is because of what HE made, and through the word of God and in the relationship with Christ. You have not any more revelation then those three :)
 
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Ogom said:
why limit yourself?
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lol, why would I think I am like God and not see I am limited? I have all he want me to have now for salvation and empowerment and for witness :)
 
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CS1 said:
lol, why would I think I am like God and not see I am limited? I have all he want me to have now for salvation and empowerment and for witness :)
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by limiting yourself to certain limits, which you stated -- you have limited yourself -- to /under those limits...

limits to your thoughts -- to your very mind -- to your understanding -- to your logic. -- limits to truth.
 
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CS1 said:
Yes but in context to the Godhead, not all have been revealed. You have not seen God YET, You only know HE is because of what HE made, and through the word of God and in the relationship with Christ. You have not any more revelation then those three :)
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I have had visions of Jesus Christ; so yes I have seen God.

The doctrine of the Trinity has been simply revealed to me and I relate what it is in the thread in question.

Here:

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/understanding-the-trinity-as-a-doctrine.201406/
 
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Absolutely said:
POT< >KETTLE
Big time
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Whether one is sooty or not is not the point.
I stated an "fact", a truth statement if you will. If it is the truth and you are teaching to do the opposite, is it not written in the Bible that it is not good? If it is false, you should refute it. I have presented the nail to my head, hammer it.

If the trinity is not to be figured out, are you asking that we should "believe"?
Why do you ask to believe in something not in the Scriptures? Why are you asking to believe you and not the Scriptures? Opinion does not change reality. Like I said, it is not declared in the Bible. See #38.
Asking to believe beyond the Apostle's Creed about a non-biblical belief? How should we perceive you?
 
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I will assume you are talking to my post.

shittim said:
And experienced.... We experience Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God the Father. Jesus was clear that He came from the Father and taught how when Holy Spirit came He would guide us in ALL truth.
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If the spirit that guides you, says to reinterpret the Scriptures, then I recommend to you not to imbibe. If the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit, why do you have so much trouble accepting the plainly spoken verses.
 
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justbyfaith said:
My standard of truth is the kjv of the holy scriptures.

I take it your standard is the NeWT (a cousin fo the snake)?
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I use the KJV by habit, but I listen to the truth as spoken by people with the Holy Spirit. How does one discern the spirit? By testing against the Scripture, whether in english, french, greek or hebrew. With the Right Spirit, there is very little dissonance between what Scripture, Logic and Truth. Your scriptures are not consistent with the greek and hebrew. I see massive holes that Betsy roams back and forth in your logic. I can see there is no effort in your truth seeking.

Just an aside, a beautiful person does not need to self-identify as beautiful. It is readily noticeable.
 
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justbyfaith said:
You may even have an inroad with those who reject the kjv then.

But I will say that the kjv is consistent to the original Greek and Hebrew.
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That is fine, but you should not expect blind faith to be everywhere. I do not have blind faith. Even the Scriptures must be tested True. It is written in the KJV also!
 
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LactoseIntolerant said:
That is fine, but you should not expect blind faith to be everywhere. I do not have blind faith. Even the Scriptures must be tested True. It is written in the KJV also!
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Those who penned the holy scriptures were tested and found to be true apostles (Revelation 2:2).

And, I consider that if the tree is good, the fruit is also good (Matthew 7:15-20).
 
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LactoseIntolerant said:
That is fine, but you should not expect blind faith to be everywhere. I do not have blind faith. Even the Scriptures must be tested True. It is written in the KJV also!
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Psa 12:6, The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
 
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Ogom said:
by limiting yourself to certain limits, which you stated -- you have limited yourself -- to /under those limits...

limits to your thoughts -- to your very mind -- to your understanding -- to your logic. -- limits to truth.
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No sir, I fully know that I can not fully know all there is to God. My understanding doesn't impress God at all and I can tell you He is not impressed with your's either :). I am limited by the truth That God knows all I do not. In that understanding I am able to see Jesus as God, The Father as God the Holy Spirit as God yet all distinctively different, yet still one. I am unable to comprehend all God is but I am able to Apprehend who God is :). I know God as

The Savior
The Lord
The Healer
The Deliver
The Provider
The God of Mercy
The Who answers prayer
The God who speaks
The God who is the Son
and the God who is the Holy Spirit
The God who created all
He is the helper, The Comforter, Commander of Lords Host, the fourth man in the fiery Furnace.
He laid down HIS life and Has the power to take it back again.
That much I know
 
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