How many here believe the literal Word of God in the Bible

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How many here believe the literal Word of God in the Bible


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Roar

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#41
In Acts we are told the Bereans were praised because they had so little faith in Paul they checked out what he was saying with the OT scripture, the only scripture they knew. Paul was an apostle, we are only disciples.
If we are to learn from this site it is necessary to use scripture as our authority, never other posters. We discuss scripture together.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
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16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 

Roar

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#42
Scripture points out that man is not to add to scripture, yet you say God penned the KJV. If you believe that then you believe that God changed Passover to Easter, as the KVJ translates the word Passover as the word Easter. It is a wonderful translation God used for countless good, but we are to check all things against the original word.
And you sew discord over interpretations in my humble opinion.
 

Dino246

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#43
Inspired in the sense that God put the same effort into preserving His message in the kjv as He did when the original penners of holy scripture, penned the holy scriptures.
Um, no.

God inspired the originals; He did not inspire the translations.
 

ResidentAlien

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#44
In Acts we are told the Bereans were praised because they had so little faith in Paul they checked out what he was saying with the OT scripture, the only scripture they knew.
This isn't exactly how it went. "Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. Many of them therefore believed, with not a few Greek women of high standing as well as men."—Acts 17:11-12 They didn't disbelieve Paul. They received his word with gladness. The Holy Spirit spoke to them; they felt it was true; and they wanted to confirm it by scripture. Paul may have even encouraged them and told them what scriptures to look up. LOL
 

justbyfaith

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#45
Um, no.

God inspired the originals; He did not inspire the translations.
He was involved in preserving His unadulterated message in the translations.

I don't know about your god;

But my God is both sovereign and Omnipotent and loving.
 

Dino246

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#46
He was involved in preserving His unadulterated message in the translations.
Apply that reasoning to every English translation released after 1875, and you will find your position untenable.

I don't know about your god;

But my God is both sovereign and Omnipotent and loving.
Your personal attacks are noted. Keep it up, and show us your true character.
 

Roar

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#47
Apply that reasoning to every English translation released after 1875, and you will find your position untenable.


Your personal attacks are noted. Keep it up, and show us your true character.
Matthew 7:5
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5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
 

justbyfaith

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#48
Apply that reasoning to every English translation released after 1875,
I apply it to the kjv.

For that is the only version of which there is a controversy about whether it is the only translation that is inerrant and inspired.

That there is a controversy indicates that the kjv-only side of the controversy may have some merit;

And personally, I won't take chances; so I utilize the kjv primarily.
 

justbyfaith

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#49
Apply that reasoning to every English translation released after 1875, and you will find your position untenable.


Your personal attacks are noted. Keep it up, and show us your true character.
How have I attacked you personally?
 

Roar

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#50
ברוך השם המשיח ישוע
Blessed be the name of Jesus Christ
 

Gardenias

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#51
If God says in his word" I say, or I'm saying" I believe it is LITERAL,not fiquratve.
I do know there are allegories,symbols,parables ect.
I do agree as has been said it is his HS inspired word and it is our directory of commands we are to obey.

I also cannot understand how sooooo many of us love God and have such far reaching interpretational beliefs!
 

Nehemiah6

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#52
Inspired in the sense that God put the same effort into preserving His message in the kjv as He did when the original penners of holy scripture, penned the holy scriptures.
Inspiration is not preservation. But inspiration without preservation would be meaningless. So yes. God first inspired the original writers, then preserved His Word through faithful scribes, monks, and copyists. The multitude of manuscripts, versions, and lectionaries ensured that the Word of God would be preserved until the invention of printing and the collation of manuscripts. We can rest assured that when we open the King James Bible (or its equivalent in any language) we are reading the Word of God.
 

justbyfaith

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#53
Inspiration is not preservation. But inspiration without preservation would be meaningless. So yes. God first inspired the original writers, then preserved His Word through faithful scribes, monks, and copyists. The multitude of manuscripts, versions, and lectionaries ensured that the Word of God would be preserved until the invention of printing and the collation of manuscripts. We can rest assured that when we open the King James Bible (or its equivalent in any language) we are reading the Word of God.
I believe that the Lord inspired, by His Holy Spirit, the choice of words in English when the kjv was translated.
 

Roar

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#54
Genesis 17:1-8
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The Sign of the Covenant
17 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am [a]Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.” 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

Note above that God establishes in Genesis 17:7and 8 His covenant between Abraham's decendants after Abraham in ther generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all of Canan, as an everlasting possession ; and I will be their God."

So does God keep His word or Not?
 

Blik

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And you sew discord over interpretations in my humble opinion.
Wow!! How to you suggest we monitor what we should post?
 

Blik

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#56
I believe that the Lord inspired, by His Holy Spirit, the choice of words in English when the kjv was translated.
The claim that the holy spirit inspired what a man has stated has been used over and over again to add to scripture. Sometimes it is evident that what they say is not of God. How are we, as mere man, to determine if what they say is God speaking or only them speaking as men?

As we compare the KJV, as an example, with all scripture, it is clear the Lord helped them for it is so true in most every way, but it seems to me that should not deter us from checking that translation at all.

After all, it was translated at a time when even Luther was not against murdering rabbis.
 

justbyfaith

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#57
The claim that the holy spirit inspired what a man has stated has been used over and over again to add to scripture. Sometimes it is evident that what they say is not of God. How are we, as mere man, to determine if what they say is God speaking or only them speaking as men?

As we compare the KJV, as an example, with all scripture, it is clear the Lord helped them for it is so true in most every way, but it seems to me that should not deter us from checking that translation at all.

After all, it was translated at a time when even Luther was not against murdering rabbis.
I can think of instances where understanding the Greek can add insight to what is written in the kjv.

However, the unadulterated message of the gospel is complete therein (in the kjv).
 
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Um, no.

God inspired the originals; He did not inspire the translations.
All language is God inspired.Look what he did at the tower of Babel.

Everyone should study their Bibles and save verses.Group them in sections.Words of praise.Verses for when you need him most.Help against the enemy.
It's the most powerful weapon on earth.The best armor you can wear.God saved me this way in a spiritual battle when I was born again and didn't know how to pray.That's how the Bible is to be used.Any Translation.
 

justbyfaith

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#59
All language is God inspired.Look what he did at the tower of Babel.

Everyone should study their Bibles and save verses.Group them in sections.Words of praise.Verses for when you need him most.Help against the enemy.
It's the most powerful weapon on earth.The best armor you can wear.God saved me this way in a spiritual battle when I was born again and didn't know how to pray.That's how the Bible is to be used.Any Translation.
While some translations are watered down (they remove words, phrases, sentences, paragraphs, even entire passages from what they consider to be inspired), I would tend to agree with you for the most part.

While such translations would produce a believer who is anemic spiritually, the alterations made cannot entirely remove the gospel message so that a person cannot be saved by reading any of them.
 

Nehemiah6

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#60
I believe that the Lord inspired, by His Holy Spirit, the choice of words in English when the kjv was translated.
That may well be the case. But the general understanding of inspiration is about the actual words given to the prophets, evangelists, and apostles.

In this connection, it is significant that not one of the evangelists (writers of the four Gospels) was given any words regarding the biography of Christ between ages 12 and 30. God is completely silent about this period. Why? Because God is sparing in His use of words, and secondly, the ministry of Christ, and His death, burial, and resurrection were the key to the Gospels.

It is also significant that not a single apocryphal book was included in the OT canon by Christ, who spoke only of (1) the Law (5 books), (2) the Prophets (8 books) and (3) the Psalms (or Writings) (11 books) as being divinely inspired and revealing Him within them.