How many here believe the literal Word of God in the Bible

[Dino246]

Certain doctrines are taken out of certain verses so that they might be found in only one verse in some modern translations.

And the same people who defend them desire that in order to prove any doctrine, you must have more than one scripture to substantiate it.

Thus, in their lives, satan effectively removes certain doctrines from their understanding.

NAME ONE.

You're blowing wind and making empty assertions. You haven't provided a shred of actual evidence yet; only opinions and speculations.

 

[Dino246]

If I have insulted you then I apologize.

Whether you perceive it or not, I do care about your soul.

You have also insulted me by calling me silly. That was not very nice. Practice what you preach.

You need to read more carefully. I haven't called you silly at all, though I do think that many of your ideas are silly.

 

[Dino246]

Example, Ephesians 1:7, Colossians 1:14 (see them in all translations).

Those are verses, not doctrines.

 

[justbyfaith]

NAME ONE.

Already did.

read Ephesians 1:7 and Colossians 1:14. A certain doctrine that is included in Ephesians 1:7 is taken out of Colossians 1:14; and I would say that it is a rather important doctrine.

 

[Dino246]

Already did.

read Ephesians 1:7 and Colossians 1:14. A certain doctrine that is included in Ephesians 1:7 is taken out of Colossians 1:14; and I would say that it is a rather important doctrine.

See post 163.

 

[justbyfaith]

You need to read more carefully. I haven't called you silly at all, though I do think that many of your ideas are silly.

Likewise, I didn't say that you are an inferior god. I said that I think that the god that you believe in is inferior.

So, I guess that I didn't insult you, after all.

 

[justbyfaith]

See post 163.

post #163:

Those are verses, not doctrines.

The doctrine in question is "redemption through the blood of Christ".

 

[Dino246]

The doctrine in question is "redemption through the blood of Christ".

Which is found directly stated in Ephesians 1:7 and Hebrews 9:12 of the NIV. It is further stated in Romans 3:24-25.

Gee, that looks like "two or three witnesses" to me.

 

[rayzor]

Again, I ask for evidence. Find a doctrine that "people generally don't like", and find someone... ANYONE... who has gone to another translation because they want a different message.

I won't wait.

Here's the reality: there isn't a single primary or secondary doctrine that can't be found in the modern translations. NOT ONE. There isn't even a minor, disputable doctrine that can't be found in the modern translations. Your assertion is nothing but wind.


Insulting people is not an effective way to minister to them. I don't perceive anything in the way of "caring" from you.

Well me Ramon Sanchez,, i stop using the niv as my main bible because of certain passages such as
Translations for Luk 3:14
KJV says do no violence

Luk 3:14 NIV leaves that part out
Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay.”

























And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

Niv

Likewise the soldiers asked him, saying, “And what shall we do?” So he said to them, “Do not intimidate anyone or accuse falsely, and be content with your wages.”

 

[Dino246]

Well me Ramon Sanchez,, i stop using the niv as my main bible because of certain passages such as
Translations for Luk 3:14
KJV says do no violence

Luk 3:14 NIV leaves that part out
Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay.”

























And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

Niv

Likewise the soldiers asked him, saying, “And what shall we do?” So he said to them, “Do not intimidate anyone or accuse falsely, and be content with your wages.”

Do you know why the NIV does not have those words?

 

[Dino246]

Which is found directly stated in Ephesians 1:7 and Hebrews 9:12 of the NIV. It is further stated in Romans 3:24-25.

Gee, that looks like "two or three witnesses" to me.

Yeah... my NIV contains Eph. 1:7. Maybe check your sources.

 

[rayzor]

Do you know why the NIV does not have those words?

YES but ah not with precision i have dabbled with the textual criticism stuff.,,,,it's ah the Q rum stuff in that case if i had to guess.Its not always the same as the TR and the King James

 

[justbyfaith]

Which is found directly stated in Ephesians 1:7 and Hebrews 9:12 of the NIV. It is further stated in Romans 3:24-25.

Gee, that looks like "two or three witnesses" to me.

Then I would make the point that the Holy Spirit inspired certain doctrines to be written in specific contexts.

Therefore, when a doctrine is taken out of a specific context (such as in Colossians 1:14), it detracts from the overall message of holy scripture; thus producing believers who are anemic spiritually.

Because it is also those who defend these modern translations who also say that immediate "context is king".

 

[rayzor]

In context out of context but always buy the truth of the spirit,neither context nor totality because like if we understood all!!! and had not love we r nothing a vanity a chasing of the wind.Knowledge from what i understand do's not put you in the know. Knowledge puffs right?,,love gives one understanding. context is to understand a passage Totality to understand the the whole picture but love is to be god because that is the body of Jesus

 

[Blik]

No, my point is that the penners of holy scripture were not infallible, and yet they came up with the unadulterated message of the gospel when they penned the holy scripture.

Could not the translators also have come up with the unadulterated message of the whole counsel of God in their translation, though they were not infallible?

Your reasoning is good, but you are missing an important point. These men who wrote what God told them expressed God in words they understood, and we can better understand what they wrote when we understand what those words meant to them.

As am example, they speak of salt. In ancient times they thought of salt in ways that differ from our ways. It was used to bind contracts as they each mixed their salt together and it could not be separated again.

 

[Dino246]

Then I would make the point that the Holy Spirit inspired certain doctrines to be written in specific contexts.

Which is just speculation.

Therefore, when a doctrine is taken out of a specific context (such as in Colossians 1:14), it detracts from the overall message of holy scripture; thus producing believers who are anemic spiritually.

You still have provided no evidence to support this assertion.

Either step up and provide the evidence, or stop making the assertion.

 

[justbyfaith]

You still have provided no evidence to support this assertion.

Either step up and provide the evidence, or stop making the assertion.

No.

 

[Dino246]

No.

Whatever. I'm not going to wade through the hip-deep hogwash you invent in the name of Scripture.

 

[justbyfaith]

Whatever. I'm not going to wade through the hip-deep hogwash you invent in the name of Scripture.

It is certainly you prerogative to reject anything that I say.

However, I believe that the following scripture is given to me:

Jhn 15:20, Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

1Jo 4:6, We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

 

[BroTan]

“The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:52‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:53-54‬ ‭KJV‬‬

literal ? Or is there a spiritual understanding applicable ?

“Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?…

yes if Jesus was speaking literally it would be a very hard teaching out Canabalism but he wasn’t speaking literally

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:60, 63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to take him literally often is why people go away from following him

“From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:66

Jesus was actually revealing thkngs from Moses law when he was telling them these things

Jesus is the Passover lamb in the ot the congregation of Israel would once a year gather and kill a spotless male Passover lamb his blood would cover the people from death and they would eat the Passover lambs flesh .

and then another area he’s revealing is the manna from Heaven which God sent from heaven through Moses to feed the people in the desert , he’s explaining g that was only a prophecy of his coming the. BRead of life who would give life to the world

when we say the New Testament is spiritual what that means is it is fulfilling the law and prophets and what was written before about Christ

like the Passover lamb who’s flesh and blood saved the people from death. Or like the manna which gave them food in the wilderness to sustain them

literal isn’t the way to understand Jesus , but receiving the Holy Spirit is the way

I fully agree with you, but first let's take a look at some meaning of the word literal.....in accordance with, involving, or being the primary or strict meaning of the word or words; not figurative or metaphorical: the literal meaning of a word. following the words of the original very closely and exactly:a literal translation of Goethe. true to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual: a literal description of conditions. being actually such, without exaggeration or inaccuracy: the literal extermination of a city.
(of persons) tending to construe words in the strict sense or in an unimaginative way; matter-of-fact; prosaic.

Although we have the spiritual part of the word of God we have a the literal part that both have to work together. One must first learn the basic, which Jesus says in John 14: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This includes the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week (Saturday). This also include, Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Exodus 20:3-8)

Now if one understand these Commandments and do them then a person can move forward to the spiritual parts of the word of God. Like what Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: (James 1: 23)

So being doer of the word of God is actually performing the spiritual part of the word of God.