How many here believe the literal Word of God in the Bible

[justbyfaith]

Although we have the spiritual part of the word of God we have a the literal part that both have to work together. One must first learn the basic, which Jesus says in John 14: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

We must take all of scripture into account when we are expounding on the scriptures.

Ephesians 2:8-9,

Galatians 2:16, are key.

Also Romans 4:1-8,

Romans 11:5-6,

Titus 3:3-7.

Turning over a new leaf to obey the commandments, by itself and apart from faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, will not procure forgiveness of sins for anyone.

Act 13:37, But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Act 13:38, Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Act 13:39, And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

 

[Dino246]

It is certainly you prerogative to reject anything that I say.

However, I believe that the following scripture is given to me:

Jhn 15:20, Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

1Jo 4:6, We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Careful with that self-righteousness... it will bite you.

 

[justbyfaith]

Careful with that self-righteousness... it will bite you.

Nope, the righteousness is all of Christ...imputed to me through faith in the word.

 

[Gideon300]

If you are asking whether Christians believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, the answer is yes, most do. We sometimes see discussions about fallible manifestations of scripture (e.g. transcription errors in some editions or poor translations) but generally it is considered an axiom.

It would be unusual to see a 100% literal interpretation of scripture especially when there are explicit instances of simile, parable and descriptions that are strongly metaphoric. Is it possible to have an internally consistent interpretation that the Bible is 100% literal? Maybe. That would require testing. E.g. in John 6:35 when Jesus says "I am the bread of life", perhaps there is some interpretation with Eucharist bread where this could be literally interpreted. It would likely be an unusual interpretation.

If we are just talking about scripture as the inerrant word of God, we are still left with possible differences in interpretation. First, logically we should establish which interpretations are consistent with scripture. When we discover multiple interpretations that work by themselves but contradict eachother, we then have to determine which interpretations we find to be the most compelling.

Or we could rely on the Holy Spirit to lead us into the truth.

 

[peldom10]

We must take all of scripture into account when we are expounding on the scriptures.

Ephesians 2:8-9,

Galatians 2:16, are key.

Also Romans 4:1-8,

Romans 11:5-6,

Titus 3:3-7.

Turning over a new leaf to obey the commandments, by itself and apart from faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, will not procure forgiveness of sins for anyone.

Act 13:37, But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Act 13:38, Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Act 13:39, And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

If we repent and not baptized there is the same effect. Without faith in Christ we are not righteous.

 

[shittim]

If we repent and not baptized there is the same effect. Without faith in Christ we are not righteous.

the thief on the cross was not baptized..... how do you understand that part?
Do you believe baptism is required?

 

[peldom10]

the thief on the cross was not baptized..... how do you understand that part?
Do you believe baptism is required?

Oh WOW.
How can you make that statement....you have no proof regarding the Thief on the cross.
How can you say that?
Yes baptism is required for sin cleansing...the Bible says so.

 

[shittim]

Jesus words to him, "this day you will be with me in paradise"
How could you make such a statement?
Do you own or have ever read the Bible?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The evidence is in the fact that the kjv contains doctrines that people generally don't like and therefore they go to other translations because they want a different message. Other translations do give them a different message that tends to be watered down as compared to the kjv. The evidence is in the reading if you will read the kjv as compared to other translations; but is too extended in content for me to relate everything about it here.

I make it about you because I care about you and am making it my goal, while speaking with you, to minister to you.

You've tried preaching this falsehood before on another thread.
You either have a reading comprehension problem or you are being deliberately dishonest.

Doctrines don't originate with the KJV. All the important ones were in place well before the KJV came along.
You're trying to muster support for an authoritarian religious view by destroying the validity of Bible translations
done after the KJV. It's all based on circular reasoning.

 

[peldom10]

Jesus words to him, "this day you will be with me in paradise"
How could you make such a statement?
Do you own or have ever read the Bible?

LOL...now I see you don't because that statement by Christ has nothing to do with the status of the Thief's baptism.
Further, God can grant special dispensation as He wishes.

You haven't shown scripture which says the thief had not been baptized...do you plan to?

God's word does not allow for assumptions, wishful or petty treatment of His word or intent. You may wish to remember that before you make statements that are not true.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

There are estimated to be more than 45,000 Christian denominations globally so I ask the question.

How many here believe the literal Word of God in the Bible

I believe In the litteral WORD of GOD but how the WORD of GOD IS Interpreted Is where the problem will be IE do you believe the scripture underlined can literally be followed?

Mathew 5:17-20
King James Version

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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Mathew 19:16-22
King James Version
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Can you do these things literally because If you say yes that would mean that you believe you can be sinless.

 

[shittim]

LOL...now I see you don't because that statement by Christ has nothing to do with the status of the Thief's baptism.
Further, God can grant special dispensation as He wishes.

You haven't shown scripture which says the thief had not been baptized...do you plan to?

God's word does not allow for assumptions, wishful or petty treatment of His word or intent. You may wish to remember that before you make statements that are not true.

That IS scripture, the words of Jesus.
you have my sympathy
goodbye

 

[ResidentAlien]

Any difference is significant.

No it's not. You're including spelling variants, punctuation variants, etc.; things that don't amount to a hill of beans.

 

[ResidentAlien]

The New Testament is written in Koine Greek, a colloquial, conversational language. The KJV has taken it and translated it into "high" or literary English. This is absurd and defeats the whole purpose of the New Testament using colloquial Greek.

I'm tired of KJV onlyists spouting off about things of which they have no clue. Better to get educated before you start pontificating on things about which you're totally ignorant.

 

[shittim]

The New Testament is written in Koine Greek, a colloquial, conversational language. The KJV has taken it and translated it into "high" or literary English. This is absurd and defeats the whole purpose of the New Testament using colloquial Greek.

I'm tired of KJV onlyists spouting off about things of which they have no clue. Better to get educated before you start pontificating on things about which you're totally ignorant.

So much for love filling your soul.......
I have heard the Kenneth Wuest NT to be very close to the original without having to learn Greek.
https://www.christianbook.com/the-new-testament-an-expanded-translation/9780802808820/pd/1229

 

[ResidentAlien]

So much for love filling your soul.......

What do you mean by that. Please explain.

 

[John146]

No it's not. You're including spelling variants, punctuation variants, etc.; things that don't amount to a hill of beans.

Nope, I'm saying there are different words and even different truths within the new versions.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Back in post #114 you said: "Over five thousand differences..."

The only way you can get that high of a number is to include punctuation, spelling variants and all the other gnats.

 

[Dino246]

Nope, I'm saying there are different words and even different truths within the new versions.

Which you have said many times without substantiating it with a single meaningful example. Seventy versus seventy-two disciples sent out is not meaningful in any way that would affect someone's salvation, sanctification or ministry.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I fully agree with you, but first let's take a look at some meaning of the word literal.....in accordance with, involving, or being the primary or strict meaning of the word or words; not figurative or metaphorical: the literal meaning of a word. following the words of the original very closely and exactly:a literal translation of Goethe. true to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual: a literal description of conditions. being actually such, without exaggeration or inaccuracy: the literal extermination of a city.
(of persons) tending to construe words in the strict sense or in an unimaginative way; matter-of-fact; prosaic.

Although we have the spiritual part of the word of God we have a the literal part that both have to work together. One must first learn the basic, which Jesus says in John 14: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This includes the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week (Saturday). This also include, Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Exodus 20:3-8)

Now if one understand these Commandments and do them then a person can move forward to the spiritual parts of the word of God. Like what Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: (James 1: 23)

So being doer of the word of God is actually performing the spiritual part of the word of God.

Um yeah I was just saying the Bible isn’t meant to be taken as literal to the op question . The ot really is mostly literal , the New Testament isn’t mostly literal the New Testament is making the ot relevant and revealing what was hidden

so you have parabolic language , word examples and juxtaposition of different scenarios given for the purpose of teaching people spiritual truth

We really need to receive the spirit to be able to discern it’s sort of important

“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:27-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we need to learn to hear what he’s saying rather than how he’s saying it . He’s not telling us that if we lust after someone we should go gouge out our eye or cut off our hand literally , he’s explaining how important repentance is from the heart and within in our intentions

if we cut our hand off it’s not going to stop us from lusting or gouge our eye out it isn’t going to change how our heart sees . Christs word isnonternal
Meant to be effective within us where the issue is

now Moses on the other hand was very literal he actually
Meant cut off the hand of the woman , or burn her with fire , or hang them on a tree , eye for an eye was very literal
And very fleshly

By the way Moses words aren’t Christs commandments Gods commandments are found in the gospel not moses law. Moses law had leviticle priests Christ is a preset of melchezideks order and gave his own law

“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can’t be saved by observing Moses law whether we do work on a sabbath has no bearing on salvstion