You post 2 verses having the gathering AFTER the trib from heaven and heavens.
Psssst...the UTTERMOST PART OF EARTH IS THE ATMOSPHERE....yep...AHEM ....heaven.
Zec 2:6
for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord
Daniel 11:4
And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven
Daniel 8:8
Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
Jeremiah 49:36
And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven,
You post two scripture references of gatherings in heaven and then try to make that into the rapture ,which is a gathering of the earth ,and those under the Earth the dead in Christ.
then try to reframe scripture to suit your Doctrine.
Then you post verses in 1st Thessalonians 1 that have Jesus glorified at the second coming. Of course he is why would he not be glorified by those that believe. Pretty sure that proves absolutely nothing in trying to defend a post-trib rapture.
In fact you have helped me prove that the Rapture is pre-trib,and that there cannot be a post-trib rapture .
it's completely wrong, it doesn't fit ,you can't make it fit. ....and you guys are proving it over and over and over.
Thanks for the pretrib verses.
""""Absolutely, who does seem to understand that the Harvest of the Earth is a description of the rapture, but like you, he has incorrectly placed the harvest/rapture pre-trib, a gross error that disregards scripture."""
Nope, i just threw a monkey wrench into your ONLY VERSE.
You never had but one verse to begin with ,and I shot that down many many years ago, because it says Angels gather from Heaven not earth and it's angels that do the Gathering not Jesus
Psssst...the UTTERMOST PART OF EARTH IS THE ATMOSPHERE....yep...AHEM ....heaven.
Zec 2:6
for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord
Daniel 11:4
And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven
Daniel 8:8
Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
Jeremiah 49:36
And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven,
You post two scripture references of gatherings in heaven and then try to make that into the rapture ,which is a gathering of the earth ,and those under the Earth the dead in Christ.
then try to reframe scripture to suit your Doctrine.
Then you post verses in 1st Thessalonians 1 that have Jesus glorified at the second coming. Of course he is why would he not be glorified by those that believe. Pretty sure that proves absolutely nothing in trying to defend a post-trib rapture.
In fact you have helped me prove that the Rapture is pre-trib,and that there cannot be a post-trib rapture .
it's completely wrong, it doesn't fit ,you can't make it fit. ....and you guys are proving it over and over and over.
Thanks for the pretrib verses.
""""Absolutely, who does seem to understand that the Harvest of the Earth is a description of the rapture, but like you, he has incorrectly placed the harvest/rapture pre-trib, a gross error that disregards scripture."""
Nope, i just threw a monkey wrench into your ONLY VERSE.
You never had but one verse to begin with ,and I shot that down many many years ago, because it says Angels gather from Heaven not earth and it's angels that do the Gathering not Jesus
Doesn't Matthew 24:29-31 say the elect are gathered after the tribulation from one end of heaven to another?
Where is the only place in scripture where the church (the elect) is gathered from the sky? In the rapture.
This is where the elect are gathered from the heavens (the clouds and air)
1 Thessalonians 4:17
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Again, the Bible does not give any wiggle room to shoehorn in a pre-trib rapture. Pre-trib never fits context nor is it ever plainly stated.
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