How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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It's just amazing the extent people will go to avoid the simple straight-forward meaning of scripture - inventing multiple "gatherings" in/to multiple places - anything-but-anything to alleviate the cognitive dissonance...
There is only one End Times "gathering" in scripture - the 'rapture' of the saints to meet Jesus in the air at His Second Coming.
And then - directly after that - the Wrath of God is "poured out" upon the wicked.
This is the simple straight-forward meaning of scripture.
The resurrection of the Two Witnesses is not a "gathering"...
The Jews do not have their own "gathering"...
All who are Christ's at His (second) coming are "caught up" to meet Him in the air.
That is it.
One 'coming'...
One "gathering"...
It is really that simple.
There is only one End Times "gathering" in scripture - the 'rapture' of the saints to meet Jesus in the air at His Second Coming.
And then - directly after that - the Wrath of God is "poured out" upon the wicked.
This is the simple straight-forward meaning of scripture.
The resurrection of the Two Witnesses is not a "gathering"...
The Jews do not have their own "gathering"...
All who are Christ's at His (second) coming are "caught up" to meet Him in the air.
That is it.
One 'coming'...
One "gathering"...
It is really that simple.
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These Believers did not take the Mark - Revelation 12
Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
It's just amazing the extent people will go to avoid the simple straight-forward meaning of scripture - inventing multiple "gatherings" in/to multiple places - anything-but-anything to alleviate the cognitive dissonance...
There is only one End Times "gathering" in scripture - the 'rapture' of the saints to meet Jesus in the air at His Second Coming.
And then - directly after that - the Wrath of God is "poured out" upon the wicked.
This is the simple straight-forward meaning of scripture.
The resurrection of the Two Witnesses is not a "gathering"...
The Jews do not have their own "gathering"...
All who are Christ's at His (second) coming are "caught up" to meet Him in the air.
That is it.
One 'coming'...
One "gathering"...
It is really that simple.
There is only one End Times "gathering" in scripture - the 'rapture' of the saints to meet Jesus in the air at His Second Coming.
And then - directly after that - the Wrath of God is "poured out" upon the wicked.
This is the simple straight-forward meaning of scripture.
The resurrection of the Two Witnesses is not a "gathering"...
The Jews do not have their own "gathering"...
All who are Christ's at His (second) coming are "caught up" to meet Him in the air.
That is it.
One 'coming'...
One "gathering"...
It is really that simple.
It will not go away.
Nor will the pretrib verses.
Trying to marry Jesus coming in power killing an entire army with war in his being ,on billions of horses blackening the sky, with a destroyed earth, no economy outside the mark of the beast, the entire population in torment...and on and on...
Trying to marry that into the rapture verses is ridiculously impossible
I am so glad i am free to enjoy all verses and not hamstrung in a false doctrine that REQUIRES ALL THAT I ILLUSTRATED to be changed.
Wow...just wow
It's just amazing the extent people will go to avoid the simple straight-forward meaning of scripture - inventing multiple "gatherings" in/to multiple places - anything-but-anything to alleviate the cognitive dissonance...
There is only one End Times "gathering" in scripture - the 'rapture' of the saints to meet Jesus in the air at His Second Coming.
And then - directly after that - the Wrath of God is "poured out" upon the wicked.
This is the simple straight-forward meaning of scripture.
The resurrection of the Two Witnesses is not a "gathering"...
The Jews do not have their own "gathering"...
All who are Christ's at His (second) coming are "caught up" to meet Him in the air.
That is it.
One 'coming'...
One "gathering"...
It is really that simple.
There is only one End Times "gathering" in scripture - the 'rapture' of the saints to meet Jesus in the air at His Second Coming.
And then - directly after that - the Wrath of God is "poured out" upon the wicked.
This is the simple straight-forward meaning of scripture.
The resurrection of the Two Witnesses is not a "gathering"...
The Jews do not have their own "gathering"...
All who are Christ's at His (second) coming are "caught up" to meet Him in the air.
That is it.
One 'coming'...
One "gathering"...
It is really that simple.
Then every analogy to wheat or grapes, or figs, etc.
Poooof. "one gathering" is now good doctrine
You said: "no living available to be raptured post trib"
That is not what the LORD Jesus Christ says: Matthew chapter 24
For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.
22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved.
But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.
Jesus is Coming for His Elect = 1 Peter 1:2 =
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
That is not what the LORD Jesus Christ says: Matthew chapter 24
For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.
22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved.
But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.
Jesus is Coming for His Elect = 1 Peter 1:2 =
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Sure. Regarding the Church (all born again believers) this is what we read in Phillpians 3:20: For our conversation [citizenship] is in Heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
This verse is directly related to the Rapture since "we look for the Saviour" to come for His saints (His Bride) and receive them unto Himself (John 14:1-3). Christ has told us to watch and wait, since He can come at any moment. His coming for the saints is not connected to anything else.
Now when we go to Revelation 14, we are already in that portion of Scripture which is describing divine judgments on earth: And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. (Rev 8:1,2) To even suggest that the Church is present on earth at this time would be a violation of Gospel truth! Therefore "the harvest of the earth" (Rev 14) is a metaphor for those who are unbelieving, ungodly, or wicked.
This verse is directly related to the Rapture since "we look for the Saviour" to come for His saints (His Bride) and receive them unto Himself (John 14:1-3). Christ has told us to watch and wait, since He can come at any moment. His coming for the saints is not connected to anything else.
Now when we go to Revelation 14, we are already in that portion of Scripture which is describing divine judgments on earth: And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. (Rev 8:1,2) To even suggest that the Church is present on earth at this time would be a violation of Gospel truth! Therefore "the harvest of the earth" (Rev 14) is a metaphor for those who are unbelieving, ungodly, or wicked.
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No matter how hard they try the Scripture does not lie.
Two destructions of Jerusalem one during 70AD and the final one coming soon.
Both Luke 21 and Matthew 24 fully AGREE that Christ Second Coming is after the tribulation of those days.
Luke 21:25-28
And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
27Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”
Matthew 24:29-31
Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Spin as you may like a horse
God's word will stay the Course
Not a word of pre-tribbing
from the Lord who is Coming
Do not add to His word's
Your error is fed to the birds
Believe what is written
not what is forbidden
Two destructions of Jerusalem one during 70AD and the final one coming soon.
Both Luke 21 and Matthew 24 fully AGREE that Christ Second Coming is after the tribulation of those days.
Luke 21:25-28
And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
27Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”
Matthew 24:29-31
Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Spin as you may like a horse
God's word will stay the Course
Not a word of pre-tribbing
from the Lord who is Coming
Do not add to His word's
Your error is fed to the birds
Believe what is written
not what is forbidden
That fellow does not understand the 'grammar of the language'.
The word 'Then' in Matthew 24:9 is not a reference back to 'sorrows' in the previous verse - as if indicating "after the sorrows"; rather, it is a continuation of verse 6.
Verses 7-8 are an 'aside' - a temporary shift in focus that "jumps ahead" in time - to describe a future series of events - and then returning to the original focus.
We know this because of the word 'For' in verse 7 - especially after the ending statement of the previous verse.
Chronologically - at the end of verse 6, there is a jump forward in time - and [then] back to the point before the jump - at which point, verse 9 is a continuation of verse 6.
The same exact thing exists in Mark and Luke. While Mark's account handles it in a closely similar fashion, Luke's account is somewhat different in how it "frames" the 'aside'.
Nonetheless, all three accounts are saying the very same exact identical thing - each from the perspective of the writer.
What is "WOEFULLY neglected and misunderstood" is a proper understanding of the 'grammar of the language'...
The word 'Then' in Matthew 24:9 is not a reference back to 'sorrows' in the previous verse - as if indicating "after the sorrows"; rather, it is a continuation of verse 6.
Verses 7-8 are an 'aside' - a temporary shift in focus that "jumps ahead" in time - to describe a future series of events - and then returning to the original focus.
We know this because of the word 'For' in verse 7 - especially after the ending statement of the previous verse.
Chronologically - at the end of verse 6, there is a jump forward in time - and [then] back to the point before the jump - at which point, verse 9 is a continuation of verse 6.
The same exact thing exists in Mark and Luke. While Mark's account handles it in a closely similar fashion, Luke's account is somewhat different in how it "frames" the 'aside'.
Nonetheless, all three accounts are saying the very same exact identical thing - each from the perspective of the writer.
What is "WOEFULLY neglected and misunderstood" is a proper understanding of the 'grammar of the language'...
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