What did Jesus say about HIMSELF?

[Laura798]

Your claim is incorrect, for the simple fact that English does not have a personal third-person genderless pronoun. "It" does not refer to a person, but to a thing. "He" is the best-available term. Again, the translation must make sense in the destination language.

Since the Holy Spirit is God, then it necessitates it being in the masculine form. My personal belief is that a person does not have to agree with the theology of the trinity, but that Jesus said the Father and I are One. And that when He went away He would send a Helper. For me, the doctrine of the trinity is just a way for us humans to have some understanding of this mystery.

“I will send you the Helper[a] from the Father. The Helper is the Spirit of truth[b] who comes from the Father. When he comes, he will tell about me. 27 And you will tell people about me too, because you have been with me from the beginning."--John 15:26-27

 

[InspiredByGod]

Jesus thru the inspiration of the Holy Spirit spoke directly thru David in the Psalms.

I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will live in hope,
because you will not abandon me to the grave,
nor will you let your Holy One see decay.
You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.--Psalms 16:8-11

1. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2. O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3. But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4. Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5. They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
6. But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7. All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8. He trusted on the LORD[a] that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
9. But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
10. I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
11. Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
12. Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
13. They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
14. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
15. My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
16. For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
17. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
19. But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
20. Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
21. Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
22. I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
23. Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
24. For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
25. My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.
26. The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
27. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
28. For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations.
29. All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
30. A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the LORD for a generation.
31. They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.--Psalm 22

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He uses a translation that removes God's holy name. Tsk-tsk

 

[InspiredByGod]

And yet, you still have not answered my question. Please do so.

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Please re-phrase your question- it was senseless to me...

 

[Laura798]

Most people believe him God. Many people that he was sent by God, his life beginning when he was born.
A few that he was in Heaven before being made human.

Why don't we listen to HIS words before our pre-conceived ideas?

IBG, I think it would have been helpful if you had elaborated further. For example, what 'preconceived ideas' are you referring to?

Are these 'people' both believers and unbelievers? My understanding is that unbelievers are the ones that have preconceived ideas about God and that believers are often indoctrinated by their denominations--they so often, like Roman Catholics don't take the time to study the scriptures for themselves.

"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."--Acts 17:11

 

[InspiredByGod]

Since the Holy Spirit is God, then it necessitates it being in the masculine form. My personal belief is that a person does not have to agree with the theology of the trinity, but that Jesus said the Father and I are One. And that when He went away He would send a Helper. For me, the doctrine of the trinity is just a way for us humans to have some understanding of this mystery.

“I will send you the Helper[a] from the Father. The Helper is the Spirit of truth[b] who comes from the Father. When he comes, he will tell about me. 27 And you will tell people about me too, because you have been with me from the beginning."--John 15:26-27

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False premise.

 

[Dino246]

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Please re-phrase your question- it was senseless to me...

In your own words, please explain what the phrase, "the sons of God", as used in Job 38:6, means.

 

[Laura798]

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He uses a translation that removes God's holy name. Tsk-tsk

I have no idea who this 'he' is you are referring to--if it is the particular translation I chose anyone has at their disposal biblehub, etc. to read the translation of their choosing.

"They strain a gnat from their drink, but swallow a camel."

 

[Laura798]

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False premise.

I suggest IBG, that you take a course in Elaboration 101.

What false premise are you referring to? That God is always referred to in the masculine form? Or do you think Father actually means 'It' in the feminine form?

I would say that yours isn't a false premise, but rather falls into the category, of what I would call Nonsense.

 

[InspiredByGod]

IBG, I think it would have been helpful if you had elaborated further. For example, what 'preconceived ideas' are you referring to?

Are these 'people' both believers and unbelievers? My understanding is that unbelievers are the ones that have preconceived ideas about God and that believers are often indoctrinated by their denominations--they so often, like Roman Catholics don't take the time to study the scriptures for themselves.

"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."--Acts 17:11

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Religious people in general.
For example, do you see how Jesus shows God as someone ELSE- or are you still trapped?

 

[InspiredByGod]

I have no idea who this 'he' is you are referring to--if it is the particular translation I chose anyone has at their disposal biblehub, etc. to read the translation of their choosing.

"They strain a gnat from their drink, but swallow a camel."

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Oh, come ON!
You have no idea that God's Name is taken out, and replaced by "Lord"?

 

[InspiredByGod]

In your own words, please explain what the phrase, "the sons of God", as used in Job 38:6, means.

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It refers to... SONS!

 

[Mofastus]

Most people believe him God. Many people that he was sent by God, his life beginning when he was born.
A few that he was in Heaven before being made human.

Why don't we listen to HIS words before our pre-conceived ideas?

ok... listen to this...

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

now listen to this...

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

I realize you want to only use what Jesus said, but are you accounting the fact that Jesus is the Word made flesh ( John 1:14 ), that the Word is God ( John 1:1 ) So according to what your setting boundaries on, it's all scripture and by whom?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The Bible explains itself, and the blind only, have the " pre-conceived ideas ", and that is even explained...

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Isaiah 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

 

[InspiredByGod]

ok... listen to this...

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

now listen to this...

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

I realize you want to only use what Jesus said, but are you accounting the fact that Jesus is the Word made flesh ( John 1:14 ), that the Word is God ( John 1:1 ) So according to what your setting boundaries on, it's all scripture and by whom?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The Bible explains itself, and the blind only, have the " pre-conceived ideas ", and that is even explained...

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Isaiah 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

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OOOO! Buckshot!
I suppose that you won't take one at a time?

 

[Laura798]

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Oh, come ON!
You have no idea that God's Name is taken out, and replaced by "Lord"?

What is the difference between LORD, GOD, Lord, God, etc. in the Bible? What does each mean?

There are multiple names and titles used for God in the Bible, and sometimes it can be confusing to understand. One confusion arises from varied capitalization of the terms "Lord" and "God," primarily in the Old Testament. In large part, this is a result of English translators attempting to convey the Hebrew term used for God's name as distinguished from other uses of "Lord" or "God." Translators have also attempted to respect the Hebrew tradition of not pronouncing or spelling out God's name. Here are a few of the terms used in the Bible and what they refer to in the original Hebrew or Greek.

LORD (in all caps or small caps): This spelling is usually used when God's proper name is meant. The Hebrew, without vowels, is YHWH (also known as the tetragrammaton). No one knows for certain what the proper pronunciation of this should be, but other translations are Yahweh or Jehovah.

Lord: "Lord" or "lord" in the Old Testament merely refers to someone of a higher rank (Genesis 18:12), including the pre-incarnate Christ, if the speaker isn't aware of His identity (Genesis 18:3). If the translation used William Tyndale's suggestion, the Hebrew Adonai was translated as "Lord" to distinguish it from YHWH. In the New Testament, "Lord" is the Greek kurios, which simply means master, whether referring to God (Matthew 1:20), Jesus (Matthew 7:21), or a general authority (Matthew 18:27).

God: "God" is an old English word which may have its origins in the Proto-Indo-European word ghu, which means to pour a libation. In the Bible, it is used for the Hebrew Elohim, which just means god, but since God is the only true god, it's an appropriate identifier. The prefix of Elohim, "el," is used in many proper names. Elohim is also related to the Arabic Allah. "God" in the New Testament is the Greek theos, which means any deity.

LORD GOD/Lord GOD: When this occurs it is usually a combination of the Hebrew Adonai YHWH.

For more on the names of God, see our article on the names of God.

https://compellingtruth.org/LORD-GOD-Lord-God.html

 

[InspiredByGod]

John 17:3- And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

How many of you want to given a different definition to the word "ONLY"?

 

[InspiredByGod]

What is the difference between LORD, GOD, Lord, God, etc. in the Bible? What does each mean?

There are multiple names and titles used for God in the Bible, and sometimes it can be confusing to understand. One confusion arises from varied capitalization of the terms "Lord" and "God," primarily in the Old Testament. In large part, this is a result of English translators attempting to convey the Hebrew term used for God's name as distinguished from other uses of "Lord" or "God." Translators have also attempted to respect the Hebrew tradition of not pronouncing or spelling out God's name. Here are a few of the terms used in the Bible and what they refer to in the original Hebrew or Greek.

LORD (in all caps or small caps): This spelling is usually used when God's proper name is meant. The Hebrew, without vowels, is YHWH (also known as the tetragrammaton). No one knows for certain what the proper pronunciation of this should be, but other translations are Yahweh or Jehovah.

Lord: "Lord" or "lord" in the Old Testament merely refers to someone of a higher rank (Genesis 18:12), including the pre-incarnate Christ, if the speaker isn't aware of His identity (Genesis 18:3). If the translation used William Tyndale's suggestion, the Hebrew Adonai was translated as "Lord" to distinguish it from YHWH. In the New Testament, "Lord" is the Greek kurios, which simply means master, whether referring to God (Matthew 1:20), Jesus (Matthew 7:21), or a general authority (Matthew 18:27).

God: "God" is an old English word which may have its origins in the Proto-Indo-European word ghu, which means to pour a libation. In the Bible, it is used for the Hebrew Elohim, which just means god, but since God is the only true god, it's an appropriate identifier. The prefix of Elohim, "el," is used in many proper names. Elohim is also related to the Arabic Allah. "God" in the New Testament is the Greek theos, which means any deity.

LORD GOD/Lord GOD: When this occurs it is usually a combination of the Hebrew Adonai YHWH.

For more on the names of God, see our article on the names of God.

https://compellingtruth.org/LORD-GOD-Lord-God.html

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[Magenta]

Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and my God." Jesus acknowledged it as true, and commended Thomas for perceiving it, saying, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

In John 10:30 Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.”

His Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him. When He asked them why they were
attempting to stone Him, they said, “For blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

 

[Laura798]

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Religious people in general.
For example, do you see how Jesus shows God as someone ELSE- or are you still trapped?

Again, elaboration is in order. You said: "Jesus shows God as someone else."

Jesus was God incarnate--Jesus said "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. He said He was the way, the TRUTH and the life."

“You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.
Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”--John 18:37

Jesus always spoke TRUTH--He revealed God to humanity by coming in the flesh. He was GOD. It would be impossible for Him to portray God as you said "as someone else."

 

[InspiredByGod]

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Ex 3:14- And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. [Or more accurately "I will prove to be'] 15- And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,

>>> Jehovah, <<<
the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you:

>>> this is my name FOREVER, <<<

and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Neither Judiasm, Koine Greek, nor the foul Trinity Dogma can change that.
FINALLY, the Name "Jesus" in Hebrew means "the Salvation of JEHOVAH"!

This is common knowledge now: https://religionnews.com/2018/01/25...-god-re-discovered-in-1000-bible-manuscripts/

 

[InspiredByGod]

Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and my God." Jesus acknowledged it as true, and commended Thomas for perceiving it, saying, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

In John 10:30 Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.”

His Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him. When He asked them why they were
attempting to stone Him, they said, “For blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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T'will be getting to that!