Are we in the end times ?

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Omegatime

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I know that it won't be long before I won't be able to buy or sell without a number. Unless something happens to delay it. But since it appears that the powers-that-be have us by the short and curlies, I wouldn't put any cash on it!
Oblio, I would like to ease your mind in saying we wont be here during the time of the mark, and that is my opinion
 

iTheophilus

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But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Paul knew the Day of the lord's coming and so did every believer in the early church. Oh how the Lord teaches for jesus said, watch therefore, for you do not know what dy your Lord is coming. It is a very special day.

The thief is tied to the Day of the Lord, some say it is the pre-tribulation rapture, some say 7 years of tribulation, and then some say the end of the tribulation period. None are correct.

The Day of the Lord in the OT tells of a time of misery, destruction, death, plagues, ect., wherever the Day of the Lord is found and in Joel 2 the prophet said Great and Terrible Day of the Lord. The same words joel used in chapter 2, Peter repeated these words in Acts 2, but changed the wording from great and terrible to great and glorious Day of the Lord. Out of the Day of the Lord came hope. And this is why because the Day of the Lord and Pentecost are tied together. This is why Paul was so anxious to appear at Pentecost in Acts 20:16

Now to the verse in Matthew: Watch therefore, for you do not know what day your Lord is coming. Again, Jesus was teaching, it is a feast day that is not set by a calendar date, changes every year depending on the date of Passover. Now in our times the jews celebrate Pentecost on Sivan 6 every year, but is wrong according to Lev. 23. The jews count 50 days from Passover but the church counts 50 days from the day after the sabbath following Passover, and Pentecost is always on the first day of the week, our Sunday.

Now the Lord is fulfilling a OT prophecy concerning the 3 times a year everyone is to show up in jerusalem. They are Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles. This is why there was a resurrection on Passover when the Lord was crucified. Next one is Pentecost, the church started on Pentecost and will end on Pentecost and the clock is ticking.

Much more but if you can grasp this I will continue. Worthy is the Lamb of God
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Hello there, brother. The Day, or Day of the Lord, according to my understanding, relates to the SECOND COMING, at which time the Millennium begins. Thoughts?
 
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Oblio

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Oblio, I would like to ease your mind in saying we wont be here during the time of the mark, and that is my opinion
To which you are entitled. You may not be...I may be...we'll see!
You may disagree with me, but I'll defend your right to disagree with me!
Ease my mind? Due to unending multiple disease, pain, and isolation issues, the great tribulation is not something I fear, as day-to-day life has been, for me, for years, just short of a never-ending nightmare. But...
I can do all things in Messiah, who strengthens me. - bible
His grace is sufficient for me. - bible
His peace surpasses all understanding -bible
The Lord is my strength and my power...He will never leave me! - bible
I am on the road...to my home...in the New Jerusalem...and when I get there, there will be no more death, no more mourning, no more crying...or pain. Hallelujah!
 
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Hello there, brother. The Day, or Day of the Lord, according to my understanding, relates to the SECOND COMING, at which time the Millennium begins. Thoughts?
You are correct in saying the coming (resurrection and the Millennium. This is my understanding. Lord foretold of the antichrist which will be 7 year years long but the Lord's time table is not the same as the antichrist. When the covenant is made with many starts the tribulation, 1260 days later he takes his seat in the temple claiming to be god, 30 days later on the 1290th day the abomination of desolation is placed, then on the 1335th day of the tribulation ( Blessed day in Dan 12 ) begins the Day of the Lord for a thousand years. There is 1185 left after the day of the Lord begins in which the Lord pours out the bowl judgements. The antichrist reign during the beginning of the dy of the Lord and why the bowl judgements are so terrible.
 

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@ewq1938

Please accept my apologies for putting down the same scriptures as you. I just now got around to reading your post. :geek: But, hey, the truth can't be overstated, right?

There's never anything wrong with posting same scriptures.
 

ewq1938

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Is this verse about the day of the LORD, or is it about Christ coming for the saints?

Both happen day according to scripture. You have separated them into two different events which is not supported by scripture.
 

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The apostle Paul writes of perilous times.

2Ti_3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Paul describes what men will be like in these times from verse 2 to verse 7.


Are there any so called "signs of the times"

I am afraid not.

1Th_5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

We are in the dispensation of the grace of God right now.

Eph_3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Col_1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

God has dispensed his grace given to Paul our apostle by Jesus Christ.
Have you noticed in that verse above Paul has fulfilled the word of God.
Which means God has said all that he is going to say, through Paul our apostle.

2Ti 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Paul writes consider what I say, but when you think about that statement ,he got everything from the risen Christ, even visions and revelations in an abundance.

2Co_12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.

2Co_12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Paul had an office given to him by God, he had received the gospel also by Christ to give to us.

Rom_11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Paul was on the wrong road in life, he said he did it in ignorance and unbelief, until the Lord called him by grace, he had come to trust in what Christ had done for us by believing the gospel of Christ.

Paul new whom he had come to believe in with many more after Paul who would gladly lay down their lives for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Have you come to see the light of the gospel given to Paul ?

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
If we apply this question to the church or assembly Christ is building - we would say there are no signs because as believers in the church age, we are not instructed to look for signs. However, we were given the signs, as told by Jesus Christ, upon Jewish ground. Therefore, we do know some of the signs. There are also prophetic signs given in the OT but I will use only those spoken of by Christ:

Mat 24:7-8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be famines and earthquakes in divers places. But all these things are the beginning of travail.

What is "travail"? The beginning of the birth pains. So nation rising against nation and famine and earthquakes are the beginning of the end times. I think we would all agree, that wars are very prevalent today. Additionally, that war has been extreme in just the last hundred years. WWI and WWII, Korea and Vietnam, Afghanistan and Kuwait, just to mention a few of the big ones. Famine has become an ever increasing global problem. Food production is stretched to the limit. Earthquakes, seem to be on the rise, if not in number, the intensity of each. Volcanic eruptions are taking place all around the globe. These are just the birth pangs.

Mat 24:10 And then shall many stumble, and shall deliver up one another, and shall hate one another.

Is not the hatred for fellow man on the increase? People are vilified for their beliefs, whether they are about religion, politics, are way of life. In Religion - not just Islam vs. Christianity but within so-called Christian circles. People lash out at others because those do not hold to what they believe. Erroneous Doctrine should be dealt with but not through slanderous speech and name calling. One should always listen closely before giving answer. In Politics - The Republicans hate the Democrats who hate the Independents. The liberals can't stand the conservatives. In way of life - People hate being told what they do or think is wrong. People want to do what is good in their own sight. Sound familiar? People are up in arms over "race", when it should be called "ethnic differences". All of humanity is of the same "race" but we do have ethnic variety. Homosexuality is being forced upon Heterosexuals' and we are told by our government, that if we don't conform, we could be penalized by law. People are surgically changing their sex. Is this not of the last days?

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall arise, and shall lead many astray.

Is not the state of the churches, today, the worst ever seen? Doctrine is no longer taught as it should be. In power and truth. Most church goers, today, don't even know what their church believes. The church teaches "Christian Liberty", instead of sound Doctrine. We have never seen such an attempt by church leaders, as today, to compromise Doctrine and push to find common ground among various belief systems. The "world" church cannot be far behind. Churches, full of false prophets, tell people that it is "okay" to practice homosexuality - God Loves You - completely in contradiction to the Bible. Some churches ordain them. Women are ordained as Pastor/Teachers, forbidden by the Bible. The end results, leading many astray.

Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold.

Have we ever seen a time, when the love of fellow man has grown so uncaring. My daughter saw an accident the other day, where a car went off the freeway and burst into flame. She said many motorist stopped. To give aid? NO - to video the incident with their phones. Only two men went to the driver's aid. A police officer told me recently, they were trying to find this guy, who keeps running around the clubs in Scottsdale, NAKED. He told me, 'People video him and put it on YouTube but they don't call the police.' Lawlessness increases hatred and decreases love. Is not our world, country and cities become like Sodom and Gomorrah?

Mar 13:12 And brother shall deliver up brother to death, and the father his child; and children shall rise up against parents, and cause them to be put to death.

While this particular "sign" has not yet risen to it's zenith in our nation (U.S.), in many countries this is taking place. Has there ever been a time when the family institution has been in such disarray? People marrying and divorcing like some one changing socks. Persons out of wedlock, having children everywhere and aborting those they care not for. Parents neglecting their duties to each other and their children. Children thumbing their noses at the authority of their parents. Sons threatening their mothers with physical harm.

Are we in the last days? I will let you decide. All I can say is: "Come Lord Jesus".
 
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The apostle Paul writes of perilous times.

2Ti_3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Paul describes what men will be like in these times from verse 2 to verse 7.


Are there any so called "signs of the times"

I am afraid not.

1Th_5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

We are in the dispensation of the grace of God right now.

Eph_3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Col_1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

God has dispensed his grace given to Paul our apostle by Jesus Christ.
Have you noticed in that verse above Paul has fulfilled the word of God.
Which means God has said all that he is going to say, through Paul our apostle.

2Ti 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Paul writes consider what I say, but when you think about that statement ,he got everything from the risen Christ, even visions and revelations in an abundance.

2Co_12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.

2Co_12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Paul had an office given to him by God, he had received the gospel also by Christ to give to us.

Rom_11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Paul was on the wrong road in life, he said he did it in ignorance and unbelief, until the Lord called him by grace, he had come to trust in what Christ had done for us by believing the gospel of Christ.

Paul new whom he had come to believe in with many more after Paul who would gladly lay down their lives for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Have you come to see the light of the gospel given to Paul ?

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
I don't like to boast, but I know how to count. If you don't better learn the wisdom.

As for the signs. Rising china vs declining usa - thucydides' assessment of peloponnesian war to the rise of athens, air-sea battle doctrine where war is avoided by threat of thermonuclear exchange, american generals saying the china engagement will result in massive loss.

The hegemon will flip soon, the options are limited. End of history is at hand.

Read about the 5th seal and just enjoy the show.
 

justbyfaith

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The apostle Paul writes of perilous times.

2Ti_3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Paul describes what men will be like in these times from verse 2 to verse 7.


Are there any so called "signs of the times"

I am afraid not.

1Th_5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

We are in the dispensation of the grace of God right now.

Eph_3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Col_1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

God has dispensed his grace given to Paul our apostle by Jesus Christ.
Have you noticed in that verse above Paul has fulfilled the word of God.
Which means God has said all that he is going to say, through Paul our apostle.

2Ti 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Paul writes consider what I say, but when you think about that statement ,he got everything from the risen Christ, even visions and revelations in an abundance.

2Co_12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.

2Co_12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Paul had an office given to him by God, he had received the gospel also by Christ to give to us.

Rom_11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Paul was on the wrong road in life, he said he did it in ignorance and unbelief, until the Lord called him by grace, he had come to trust in what Christ had done for us by believing the gospel of Christ.

Paul new whom he had come to believe in with many more after Paul who would gladly lay down their lives for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Have you come to see the light of the gospel given to Paul ?

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Jesus substantiated the writings of all of the apostles in John 14:26, John 16:13.

At least now you have put "Jesus" and "Christ" into the same phrase.

Do you believe that Jesus is the Christ?

Or, do you think that "Christ" is merely Jesus' last name?
 

justbyfaith

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I have been praying that the reign of the Antichrist will not be able to occur for at least another 500 years.

The reality is that he will not be able to reign until "the power of the holy people has been scattered" (Daniel 12:7).

The church may let him reign while we are still on the earth; only if we are stupid.

"Where there are prophecies, they will fail" (1 Corinthians 13:8).

The reign of the Antichrist is not inevitable in this time;

As a matter of fact it is a doctrine of the Bible that he will not be able to reign for as long as the Holy Spirit is in the world, dwelling in the church.

As soon as the church is taken out, and the Holy Ghost with it, then and only then will that restraining factor be gone from the earth so that the agenda of the Antichrist will be able to be accomplished by the enemy of every man's soul.
 
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Oblio

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“Wake up, sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.” - Ephesians 5:14
 

Rondonmon

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We are in the end times you just have to know how to see it. for instance look at Iseal she surrounded by her enemies and is on the brink of war ushering the psalm 83 war in 2017 the revelation 12 sign was literally formed in the night sky down to the last detail you have this vaccine which is a precursor to the mark of the beast I mean the signs are everywhere you just have to look for them
The Psalm 83 war lasted from 1948 until 2010ish, as per 2017, that is not of God, He doesn't deal with the profane Horoscope, that's the Devil's domain. You have been hoodwinked on that one.

The Gog & Magog war comes after the Psalm 83 war, it is contingent upon peace between Israel and her IMMEDIATE neighbors, we know this because none of the nations named in the Gog/Magog war have a common border with Israel, thus the Abraham Accords meet this definition, and were a must before the end could come. The "Sign" in Rev. 12 is simply telling us where THAT BEAST (Satan) resides, in Heaven as we speak, before he gets cast down to earth. In Rev. 13 we are shown where that Beast resides, ON EARTH, because he arises out of the [Mediterranean] Sea. Then in Rev. 13, we are shown where THAT BEAST resides, in the Bottomless Pit. Rev. 15 starts off via a SIGN IN HEAVEN also, because the Angels are readying the 7 Last Vials of God's Wrath............IN HEAVEN !! It has nothing to do with a Horoscope sign that is if Satan.