120 years

Omegatime · Dec 5, 2021

Actually a very good question, how can a spirit being (angel) have sexual relations with a being made of the earth?

In the book of Job 1 the sons of God clearly were angels. 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Whence have you come?” Satan answered the Lord, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.

Also consider that whether the women mentioned in Genesis 6 were from Seth's line or Cain's generational line, they both would have been called daughters of men.

Ps 82, is a chapter devoted to angels-----
I say, “You are gods,
sons of the Most High, all of you;
7 nevertheless, you shall die like men,
and fall like any prince.

So, my conclusion was that angels, although a spiritual being, when they come upon the earth, they take on bodies of flesh

Pilgrimshope · Dec 5, 2021

Omegatime said:

I appreciate the response I don’t think this

“Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Whence have you come?” Satan answered the Lord, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”

says anything about the sons of God being angels honestly. I don’t make the same connection but it doesn’t mean your wrong I just don’t see that as angels appearing before God at all.

And psalm 82 devoted to angels ? Why would it be spoken to and written for men ? And your saying Hebrews is using a faulty arguement exalting the son over the angels ?

you don’t think just this argument alone says something ?

“Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?

And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:4-8‬ ‭

“But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

says A lot to show the difference in Gods son and his spiritual ministers the angels. Angels aren’t sons and can never be sons because they are not born as sons of men. Man is designated as Gods children only through the only Son Jesus and faith in him are we children partakers of the body of the son on earth the church.

That’s just how I think though I don’t see angels breeding with me omen creating literal hundred foot giants actually happened I think the term giants is sort of rhetorical and discerned by the following term “ men of great renown “ I think it means there were men like Noah in the earth in those days giants as to thier stature among creation.

but again ten ata only my own thoughts not infallibly true , just how I think of it

ewq1938 · Dec 5, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

Yes.

Angels are physical beings that can become spiritual ie: become bodiless.

Isn't that speaking of God's angels and not satan's angels?

The phrase "the sons of God" appears only 5 times in the old Testament. Every single time it is speaking of angels:

Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen_6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job_1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job_2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Morning stars are another term for angels.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

They sinned by leaving heaven and taking human wives.

1Co 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Sounds like pretty bad angels huh? Exactly what harm could come to a human woman from these angels? Could it be these angels are the ones said to have been "before of old ordained to this condemnation" and "saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose" in Genesis 6? Could the child have grown into huge, evil giants that plagued the world for generations?

The problem in the day of Noah is that there were literal giants. Human beings mating do not create such giants.

Genipher · Dec 5, 2021

Lanolin said:

My great grandma died 3 years ago. She was exactly 100 years old.
My grandma just turned 81 this year.

Pilgrimshope · Dec 5, 2021

ewq1938 said:

“Angels are physical beings that can become spiritual ie: become bodiless.”

says who and where is that written ?

And yeah that’s a lot of good scripture but not a single one connects sons of god as being angels.

a son is born angels aren’t. Pretty simple idea there right ?

I see in your post that you think sons of god refers to angels but the only references that make a connection comes from you.

Now that the son of God the only son lol you know Jesus ? We can now become sons bieng born of the spirit of the only son.

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Mankind are identified as Gods sons from the first man

“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As Hebrews points out there’s no occasion where any angel is ever called the son of God. Those quotes there don’t say anything about them being angels.

“When the morning stars sang together,

and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”
‭‭Job‬ ‭38:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that doesn’t identify angels as mornings stars or sons of God it says the morning stars sang together , and all the sons of God shouted for joy.

Morning star is another term for angels ? How are you determining all this stuff based on what ?

angels are all created by God Satan corrupted a third of Gods angels he doesn’t have any of his own that he created or anything he’s a corrupted of what God created man and also a third of the angels. Angels are angels just like men are men

what makes us his Children both make and female is to be conformed to and made in his image with the holy spirit dwelling in our hearts.

angels Gods angels are his heavenly servants they are spiritual and can manifest themselves in earth yes but there’s no evidence of any of Thy idea that angels had children with human women.

definately not that anytime you hear sons of God it means angels that’s I guess the only way one could o re-elect that that way but angels aren’t The children of God mankind is

In fact as far as any biblical reference goes angels don’t have children or procreate nor are they created of flesh and blood it cannot inhabit heaven it would require flesh and blood to pro create with a human bieng.

so your saying they have some sort of earthly temporal flesh and blood body capable of pro creating with a human by sexual intercourse ?

I would hate to ask how Jesus was born of heaven and of a virgin.

but you know it’s ok with me if that’s what you believe I’m cool with it but I don’t personally believe angels breed with humans or are capable of it

and clearly mankind was named Gods children from the start . Some became corrupt others of Serena line worshipped God they are his children who worship him.

Those made in his image and likeness and those he gave dominion on earth

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s about “ inheritance “ because we are Gods children who will inherit the earth. Angels are ministers of the inheritance mankind is the heir

“But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The angels are heavens ministers for those on earth to Inherit salvation the fallen corrupted angels are evil spirits seducing mankind’s minds and hearts on earth blinding them to truth but women don’t need to worry about fallen angels raping them or anything because they are spiritual beings. Not capable of producing a human male seed

tourist · Dec 5, 2021

Lanolin said:

Over 60? Oh yeah (66).

ewq1938 · Dec 5, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

That's not true. They can impregnate women. That's how giants entered this world. They were so tall men looked like insects in comparison. That doesn't happen when two humans have children.

Genipher · Dec 5, 2021

ewq1938 said:

Where does it say how tall the giants were or that man would look like insects to them? Goliath was around 10' tall and was a "giant", I assume the "giants in those days" were around the same height.

Omegatime · Dec 5, 2021

There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.” Number 13;'33

Genipher · Dec 5, 2021

Omegatime said:

Huh. Thanks for the scripture reminder. I'd totally spaced that verse. 😖
That's pretty neat, actually.
Do you think a 10-12 ft tall giant would view, say, a 5 ft man as an insect?

Lanolin · Dec 5, 2021

Genipher said:

my grandad lived to 99 and my grandma on mums side lived to 81.

My parents are in their 70s.

Its said in the Bible if you honor you father and mother, you will live a long life. I dont know if thats true in all cases....

The British royal family are quite long lived as the Queen of England is now in her 95th year, though she was recently widowed. Though I imagine lots of people pray for her as she is so well known.

Lanolin · Dec 5, 2021

whoever had the Book Of Jasher must be hiding it.

I've never seen it.

Diakonos · Dec 6, 2021

Lanolin said:

Aaron- “Aaron was one hundred twenty-three years old when he died on Mount Hor.” (Numbers 33:39)
Jehoiada- “Now when Jehoiada reached a ripe old age he died; he was one hundred and thirty years old at his death.” (2 Chronicles 24:15) (late 700s B.C.)

ewq1938 · Dec 6, 2021

Genipher said:

Num_13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deu_1:28 Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.

Deu_2:10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;

Deu_9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!

Deuteronomy 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

Here the giants bed, probably a sarcophagus, was at least 15 feet long but possibly longer using a different type of cubit. This doesn't exactly prove how tall he was but context is speaking to the size of the man and he was pretty big.

unelie · Dec 6, 2021

Lanolin said:

Well, it is not written that the prophecy about the flood was given when he had his sons. He had his sons 20 years after receiving the message that mankind would die in 120 years.

I admit that the passage in the Bible is not super clear, it is not written with the western modern way of writing literature, and the events are not given in chronological order.

But clearly, the 120 years are not the absolute longevity maximum. Even in recent years a lady here in France lived up to 122 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

This passage can be rightfully understood as referring to longevity in a loose way, but it is most likely referring to the time before the flood, when God taught all mankind was corrupted, except a tiny number of human beings, that would end up to be just 8 people (Noah's family)

peldom10 · Dec 6, 2021

Omegatime said:

That is speaking of the second death...spiritual death.
We all must die a physical death as part of God's plan to transfer us from a physical being to a spiritual being.

peldom10 · Dec 6, 2021

Lanolin said:

Yes...82 and going strong for Christ until the end.

peldom10 · Dec 6, 2021

Omegatime said:

Actually a very good question, how can a spirit being (angel) have sexual relations with a being made of the earth?

In the book of Job 1 the sons of God clearly were angels. 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Whence have you come?” Satan answered the Lord, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.

Also consider that whether the women mentioned in Genesis 6 were from Seth's line or Cain's generational line, they both would have been called daughters of men.

Ps 82, is a chapter devoted to angels-----
I say, “You are gods,
sons of the Most High, all of you;
7 nevertheless, you shall die like men,
and fall like any prince.

So, my conclusion was that angels, although a spiritual being, when they come upon the earth, they take on bodies of flesh

How did Mary become pregnant with Christ?

Charlie24 · Dec 6, 2021

peldom10 said:

I'm no doctor by any means, in fact, I don't even understand how the sperm and egg work together to produce man.

But I do believe that just as sperm had nothing to do with forming Christ, neither did Mary's egg have anything to do with it.

I believe that the entire formation of Christ was done by the Spirit and her womb was just a house and nothing more.

peldom10 · Dec 6, 2021

We must never equate the spiritual world with the physical world. When we do that we get tangled up in our knickers...so to speak.
When studying the Bible I have always found it helpful to strictly keep things in context.
I get less gray hairs in doing so.

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