Why The Father has no beginning from the context of time

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

Time, space and matter have to come into existence simultaneously according to logic because if you have matter(object) where(space) will you put it and when(time) will you put it? God's control over these three is illustrated below....
God's occupation of the entire space universe including the abstract universe from his knowledge and interpretation of Pharaoh's dream through the Joseph as an instrument. Dreams are intangible ideas and yet God could access it all and explain it from the beginning to the end.

The other important aspect of God's power is his occupation of time which materialized in Jesus' ability to tell the Samaritan woman at the well that she had had five husbands and the one she had then was not her husband. When Jesus also sent his disciples to find a colt whose master gave it away describes how God is aware of the physicality of objects at all times. This can further be extended to show how God occupies future time space through all the prophecies contained in the Bible.

God's power over matter manifested through calling fire out of heaven through the instrument of Elijah, Jesus walking over water, bringing the dead back to life.
So it can be concluded that the Father is in total control of Time, Space and Matter.

So beginning and End are prospects of time and yet time itself was ordered into existence by God so how can you make the creator a subject of definition based on what he created(time which extends to beginning and end)?
The only explanation to the mystery of God's existence is: HE HAS ALWAYS EXISTED IN TRIUNE NATURE.
In the verse of Genesis where it says In the beginning God created, this was for the brain of man to understand because in man's context everything has got to have a starting point which is true based on everything that man can see, feel and touch. But to God who exists outside this physical realm that man can see feel and touch is beyond anything the human brain can figure out.
Eternity with God is real because that is who He is. He is timeless, he calls time into existence not the other way round, to try and suggest that God has a start is to suggest that time has power over him which is false. Feel free to share your thoughts regarding this matter, Thank You.

 

[ResidentAlien]

It's impossible for me to comprehend the eternal God. My mind naturally wants to know who created God. How could He exist from eternity to eternity? Where did He come from? Etc. It's mind boggling!

This will probably be my first question when I get to heaven.

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

It's impossible for me to comprehend the eternal God. My mind naturally wants to know who created God. How could He exist from eternity to eternity? Where did He come from? Etc. It's mind boggling!

This will probably be my first question when I get to heaven.

It is simple, Time was created by God. Anything that has a beginning falls a slave to time, which God is NOT. The whole creation was subjected to the curse of time where we die when our time is up but God who is not limited by time cannot be subject to time nor its precepts ie beginning and end.

 

[ResidentAlien]

It is simple, Time was created by God.

Who or what created God?

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

Who or what created God?

He wasn't created by anyone, He has always existed. There is no force of authority above God, He is the master of the universe

 

[Rondonmon]

It's impossible for me to comprehend the eternal God. My mind naturally wants to know who created God. How could He exist from eternity to eternity? Where did He come from? Etc. It's mind boggling!

This will probably be my first question when I get to heaven.

Because God is not from this Universe and this universe is a Space Time Continuum. Its really that simple, if God was from THIS UNIVERSE He would have to have a starting point, but He s not from this Universe.


Quantum Fluctuations started our Universe, it was outside our Universe, before our universes was created, so scientists call it quantum fluctuations, but what they call QF is really God, God spoke our universe into existence and thus it came into existence. It takes an ACTION (Quantum Fluctuations) by God to bring this to pass, in spite of this "name" (QF) these scientists gave it, we know that God caused this "ACTION" because there is NO POWER outside this universe save God.

So, in essence, these foolish scientists have taken a picture that proves God created the Universe and are too arrogant and stupid (in reality) to understand what their Microwave Picture is telling them.

Notice 400 million years of DARK AGES?

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Then in verse 3 LIGHT COMES (The Stars start forming after 400 million years.)


If God Created Everything, Who Created God?
by Richard Deem
https://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/who_created_god.html

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

Because God is not from this Universe and this universe is a Space Time Continuum. Its really that simple, if God was from THIS UNIVERSE He would have to have a starting point, but He s not from this Universe.

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Quantum Fluctuations started our Universe, it was outside our Universe, before our universes was created, so scientists call it quantum fluctuations, but what that call QF is really God, God spoke our universe into existence and thus it came into existence. It takes an ACTION (Quantum Fluctuations) by God to bring this to pass, in spite of this "name" these scientists gave it, we now that God caused this "ACTION" because there is NO POWER outside this universe save God.

So, in essence, these foolish scientists have taken a picture that proves God created the Universe and are too arrogant and stupid (in reality) to understand what their Microwave Picture is telling them.

Notice 400 million years of DARK AGES?

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Then in verse 3 LIGHT COMES (The Stars start forming after 400 million years.)


If God Created Everything, Who Created God?
by Richard Deem
https://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/who_created_god.html

Well put, that is exactly what I wanted to put across. Time, Space, Matter continuum. He is outside, cannot be limited by what He created, this universe and everything.

 

[JTB]

My impression is that time did not exist prior to the fall.

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

My impression is that time did not exist prior to the fall.

Why when the sun was already in place and there came day and evening implies the earth was rotating which means?

 

[Rondonmon]

Well put, that is exactly what I wanted to put across. Time, Space, Matter continuum. He is outside, cannot be limited by what He created, this universe and everything.

Rischard Deem is the best Christian at answering all these things, he explains why the Universe has to be the EXACT SIZE it is even if Humans on earth are the only creatures in the universe

Size of the Universe: Isn't it Too Large to Have Been Created by God for Humanity?

https://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/universe_too_large.html

A smidge of that link is seen below......................

Universe Size Matters

Besides spiritual reasons, there are also physical constraints on the minimum (and maximum) mass of the universe. The universe could not have been much smaller than it is in order for nuclear fusion to have occurred during the first 3 minutes after the Big Bang. Without this brief period of nucleosynthesis, the early universe would have consisted entirely of hydrogen. Without helium (comprising ~24% of the matter in the universe), heavy element production in stars is not possible, so that no rocky planets would have ever existed in the entire history of the universe.

Likewise, the universe could not have been a much more massive than it is, or life would not have been possible. If the universe were just one part in 10/59(10 to the power of 59) more massive, the universe would have collapsed before life was possible. Since there are only 10/80(10 to the power of 80) baryons in the universe, this means that an addition of just 10/21 baryons (at 1.67x10−27 kg/baryon equals 1.7 mg of matter - equal to a grain of sand) would have made life impossible! The universe is exactly the size it must be for life to exist at all.

By the way, we can see the SPACE TIME CONTINUUM in the very first verse in the bible....

In the beginning (TIME) God created the heaven (SPACE) and earth (MATTER).

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

Rischard Deem is the best Christian at answering all these things, he explains why the Universe has to be the EXACT SIZE it is even if Humans on earth are the only creatures in the universe

Size of the Universe: Isn't it Too Large to Have Been Created by God for Humanity?

https://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/universe_too_large.html

A smidge of that link is seen below......................

Universe Size Matters

Besides spiritual reasons, there are also physical constraints on the minimum (and maximum) mass of the universe. The universe could not have been much smaller than it is in order for nuclear fusion to have occurred during the first 3 minutes after the Big Bang. Without this brief period of nucleosynthesis, the early universe would have consisted entirely of hydrogen. Without helium (comprising ~24% of the matter in the universe), heavy element production in stars is not possible, so that no rocky planets would have ever existed in the entire history of the universe.

Likewise, the universe could not have been a much more massive than it is, or life would not have been possible. If the universe were just one part in 10/59(10 to the power of 59) more massive, the universe would have collapsed before life was possible. Since there are only 10/80(10 to the power of 80) baryons in the universe, this means that an addition of just 10/21 baryons (at 1.67x10−27 kg/baryon equals 1.7 mg of matter - equal to a grain of sand) would have made life impossible! The universe is exactly the size it must be for life to exist at all.

By the way, we can see the SPACE TIME CONTINUUM in the very first verse in the bible....

In the beginning (TIME) God created the heaven (SPACE) and earth (MATTER).

Yeah I also happened to be inspired by Richard Deem, he is a genius to have figured that time was created alongside matter and space by God and you cannot use any of those to try and pin him to a time based source. God's power is unfathomable. He sees our destinies right the moment we are born, Praise be to Him.

 

[NotmebutHim]

I believe that God said He is the beginning and the end (or Alpha and Omega, First and Last, etc.) because He speaks to us in ways that our finite minds can understand. We humans cannot comprehend timelessness; we have never experienced it.

God is timeless and we believers realize that through the Holy Spirit. However, "beginning and end" seems to be an anthropomorphic phrase.

It's akin to Jesus saying (when He was on earth), ".....Before Abraham was, I AM".

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

I believe that God said He is the beginning and the end (or Alpha and Omega, First and Last, etc.) because He speaks to us in ways that our finite minds can understand. We humans cannot comprehend timelessness; we have never experienced it.

God is timeless and we believers realize that through the Holy Spirit. However, "beginning and end" seems to be an anthropomorphic phrase.

It's akin to Jesus saying (when He was on earth), ".....Before Abraham was, I AM".

And they wanted to stone him for speaking the divine nature of the Father, Jesus compared their wisdom to the wisdom of our age and had pity on them.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I find it interesting that melchezidek is also mentioned as without beginning or end and is compared dorectly to the son of God

“For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

I find it interesting that melchezidek is also mentioned as without beginning or end and is compared dorectly to the son of God

“For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Melchizedek was born of men and had a beginning and he died and was buried. God was never born, He always was

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Melchizedek was born of men and had a beginning and he died and was buried. God was never born, He always was

oh so scripture has it wrong ?

Scripture

“Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

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“Melchizedek was born of men and had a beginning and he died and was buried”

 

[Rondonmon]

Melchizedek was born of men and had a beginning and he died and was buried. God was never born, He always was

He doesn't seem to understand that just like the Man in Linen in Daniel chapter 12, Melchizedek was a pre incarnate Jesus, thus he was not born yet, and he is God, thus he's Eternal, thus God has no father nor mother. Instead of adding the obvious up they have to bring forth a seeming contradiction, and God never has contradictions, there are just passages we fail t grasp, LOL.

Basically, no one I have ever seen understand what the 1290 and 1335 are. And when I tell them, it goes right over their pre conditioned minds.

 

[ewq1938]

Every post in the thread and every post that will be posted in the thread is wrong, including this one.

 

[JaumeJ]

I find it interesting that melchezidek is also mentioned as without beginning or end and is compared dorectly to the son of God

“For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I believe if we look at his name, Melkizedek, and we interpret it, King of Righteousness.. Then look at his further title, King of Peace, we will know this is Jesus Yeshua with no beginning and no end, the Alef and the Tau./

 

[JesusIsTheAnswer]

I believe if we look at his name, Melkizedek, and we interpret it, King of Righteousness.. Then look at his further title, King of Peace, we will know this is Jesus Yeshua with no beginning and no end, the Alef and the Tau./

Why did scripture say He was the king of a physical location, Salem?. Melchizedek was the king of Salem, Why would Jesus be the king of an earthly dominion?