Baptism by Fire
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He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.
Meaning the chaff will diffuse or disseminate and spread. What's your take on this verse, zone? (Luke 3:17) you got me perking up
Meaning the chaff will diffuse or disseminate and spread. What's your take on this verse, zone? (Luke 3:17) you got me perking up
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Matthew 3:11
(11) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Isaiah 4:4
(4) When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
Hebrews 12:29
(29) For our God is a consuming fire.
(11) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Isaiah 4:4
(4) When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
Hebrews 12:29
(29) For our God is a consuming fire.
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Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Whereby ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, IF NEED BE, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be TRIED WITH FIRE, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ...1 Peter 1:5-7
He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.
Meaning the chaff will diffuse or disseminate and spread. [meaning the chaff will be burned with unquenchable fire] What's your take on this verse, zone? (Luke 3:17) you got me perking up
Meaning the chaff will diffuse or disseminate and spread. [meaning the chaff will be burned with unquenchable fire] What's your take on this verse, zone? (Luke 3:17) you got me perking up
the baptism by fire is immersion in the lake of fire.
its for all who refuse Jesus and the baptism He gives, the Holy Spirit.
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Yes!
Alot of people want to make it a thing done by the HS on pentecost, or speaking in tongues. But this makes no sense. Nor does it even go with Context of what John said.
John said
1. I baptize in water. Water is the substance in which John baptised in and with.
2. He will baptise with the HS (Done with winnowing fan, where the wheat is placed in the barn. It is the actual baptism of the HS Jesus spoke where the HS babtised us into the death, burial of Christ where our sins are washed. And also the body of Christ.
2. And fire, (which shall never be quenched) can only speak of the fires of Hell. because only this fire is said will burn forever. and never be put out.
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that definitely settles the question of 'is there hell'...
When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.
So in Acts 2, the tongues of fire was a first-time (and only time) indication that the filling of the HOly Spirit had taken place, that he had come. Kind of like an 'innauguration'... it couldn't have meant anything else...?? yet this must be where misinterpretation is continuous...
When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.
So in Acts 2, the tongues of fire was a first-time (and only time) indication that the filling of the HOly Spirit had taken place, that he had come. Kind of like an 'innauguration'... it couldn't have meant anything else...?? yet this must be where misinterpretation is continuous...
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that definitely settles the question of 'is there hell'...
When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.
So in Acts 2, the tongues of fire was a first-time (and only time) indication that the filling of the HOly Spirit had taken place, that he had come. Kind of like an 'innauguration'... it couldn't have meant anything else...?? yet this must be where misinterpretation is continuous...
When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.
So in Acts 2, the tongues of fire was a first-time (and only time) indication that the filling of the HOly Spirit had taken place, that he had come. Kind of like an 'innauguration'... it couldn't have meant anything else...?? yet this must be where misinterpretation is continuous...
I think this is where people get confused. Tongues of fire does not mean baptism of fire. they are two different things. Yet people want to make them the same.
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I guess i dont hold that view. Its not becuase i dont believe in hell. It just becuase it doesnt make sense. If they were babtised in hell then went to heaven then it would make sense.
But no matter what the conflict was with the pharisees John said "with the Holy Spirit AND fire"
He didnt say "with the HolySpirit OR fire"
Yes they had tongues of fire on Penticost. Signifying the work of the Spirit that takes away the dross.
This to me is understood in the light of the first penticost Exodus 19:18 fire on the mount.
Then the brazen alter the first station inside the tabernacle walking towards the Holy place etc. past the narrow gate where a sacrifice was burnt. Romans 12 we are begged to give ourselves a living sacrifice....
There are several more similtudes in both the Old and New testement for this view.
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John said he baptizes with the HS and fire. He did not say he baptizes everyone with both. He said he baptizes with both.
John then speaks of two things. The wheat and chaff.
The wheat is placed in the barn.
the chaff is burned with a fire which will never be quenched.
It makes no sense to say Jesus would baptize with fire, then they go to heaven. For the fire would have to be quenched for them to enter heaven.
the wheat and chaff are people.
the wheat (children of God) are put into the barn (heaven)
the Chaff (unbeliever) are burned with an eternal fire.
John then speaks of two things. The wheat and chaff.
The wheat is placed in the barn.
the chaff is burned with a fire which will never be quenched.
It makes no sense to say Jesus would baptize with fire, then they go to heaven. For the fire would have to be quenched for them to enter heaven.
the wheat and chaff are people.
the wheat (children of God) are put into the barn (heaven)
the Chaff (unbeliever) are burned with an eternal fire.
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I realize people see the word fire and always think of hell. Thats understandable. Especially since the first usage of fire in the bible is Sodom and Gamorah.
Plus all the usages of fire and hell. But there is other usages. I already posted 1 Peter 1:7, there is 1Cor 3:13-16; there is the burning bush; i just gave the brazen alter reference; and can offer more in better detail if necessary.
For sure fire is used in two ways. One will cleanse and one will destroy.
IF John was talking about two babtisms(which he wasnt according to the language) then why do you think tongues of fire were given as a sign for the HolySpirit on Penticost?
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The problem is the type of fire it is. Scripture only speaks of one fire which will never be quenched. The burning bush was not an unquenchable fire. Nor were the other examples you gave. Thus unless you give other examples of an eternal life which is different than hell. none of your examples are valid. All one has to do is look at language and they will see how it is used. Unquenchable means never ending, eternal. This is an eternal fire, not a temporary one.
Second. John was talking about dealing with people. John baptized people in water. But Jesus would come, and he would baptiize with the HS and with fire. Two things. John did not baptize everyone with water. Nor should it be infered Jesus would baptize everyone with the HS and fire. But understand that it is what Jesus came to do. He would baptize people with the HS or with fire.
Yes tongues of fire was given as A sign of the HS. But not everyone spoke in tongues, or is given this gift. So it can not be the same "fire" John spoke of.
Second. John was talking about dealing with people. John baptized people in water. But Jesus would come, and he would baptiize with the HS and with fire. Two things. John did not baptize everyone with water. Nor should it be infered Jesus would baptize everyone with the HS and fire. But understand that it is what Jesus came to do. He would baptize people with the HS or with fire.
Yes tongues of fire was given as A sign of the HS. But not everyone spoke in tongues, or is given this gift. So it can not be the same "fire" John spoke of.