THE GARDEN OF EDEN
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Eastern Africa. Adam was most likely dark-skinned as-well. The reason for this conclusion is that the high level of genetic diversity observed in African people groups indicate that they are the oldest of all people groups. If you look at their genetic structure it encompasses all non-African populations. The genetic fingerprints of all non-African people groups constitute a subset of the African DNA sequences (referred to as Haplotypes). All genetic markers found in Europeans trace back to recent east African populations located near the middle east making a strong argument for Adam and Eve being very similar to African people groups with a semi-dark or mulatto complexion. After studying Y-chromosomes, and mitochondrial DNA sequences we can trace the bottleneck of the Y-chromosome (i.e biological evidence for the authenticity of the flood) to the flood during Noah's day. We can trace the mitochondrial DNA (i.e. x-chromosomes) back even further considering there was more diversity of female DNA aboard the ark (e.g. the wives of Noah's sons weren't closely related) giving us an accurate timetable of the age of various people groups.
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Thanks for that. It looks more like he did not use the dust from the Garden of Eden, but formed them somewhere else and then took them and placed them into the garden.
Whenever God talks about north, west , south & east, he always refers the direction from Jerusalem. The city Jerusalem did not exist then, but the actual ground did. So the Garden of Eden was East of Jerusalem. (Eastwood > > > > in Eden)
So this brings me to wonder. Maybe the dust God used to form man was actually in Jerusalem? because he took Adam east.....God choose Jerusalem right from the beginning didn't he. That very ground.
Now this leads to my next question.
Why did God not make the Garden of Eden in Jerusalem? I mean this was paradise wasn't it? God's chosen place.
Can anyone see the reasoning behind it?[/quote]
Hi Journey; though i don't remember where it is exactly, you may recall reading this yourself, (if you don't, i'll dig it up if you want) where in the Bible it speaks of Jebus having an unclean birth. Jebus was Jerusalum before it became Jerusalum.
The cleansing of Jerusalum (The Temple) was an ongoing process, that was not completed until king David became king over both the house of Judah and the rest of the houses of Israel.
Thats about all i can share as to why Eden, Paradise ( a reflection of what was) was not made in Jerusalum.
As far as to where it is, i tend to agree with AnnandaHya, i don't think it was on earth at all. Theres only one Flaming Sword i see everyday and it just happens to always rise in the east.
I don't know if you care about this or not, but those Books of Adam & Eve would help you a lot with this, i found them to be written through a sincere heart. Its all about Adam & Eve leaving the Garden and entering into the valleys of the shadows of satan (death) you know, right here, right now.
Forever in Christ
Thanks for that. It looks more like he did not use the dust from the Garden of Eden, but formed them somewhere else and then took them and placed them into the garden.
Whenever God talks about north, west , south & east, he always refers the direction from Jerusalem. The city Jerusalem did not exist then, but the actual ground did. So the Garden of Eden was East of Jerusalem. (Eastwood > > > > in Eden)
So this brings me to wonder. Maybe the dust God used to form man was actually in Jerusalem? because he took Adam east.....God choose Jerusalem right from the beginning didn't he. That very ground.
Now this leads to my next question.
Why did God not make the Garden of Eden in Jerusalem? I mean this was paradise wasn't it? God's chosen place.
Can anyone see the reasoning behind it?[/quote]
Hi Journey; though i don't remember where it is exactly, you may recall reading this yourself, (if you don't, i'll dig it up if you want) where in the Bible it speaks of Jebus having an unclean birth. Jebus was Jerusalum before it became Jerusalum.
The cleansing of Jerusalum (The Temple) was an ongoing process, that was not completed until king David became king over both the house of Judah and the rest of the houses of Israel.
Thats about all i can share as to why Eden, Paradise ( a reflection of what was) was not made in Jerusalum.
As far as to where it is, i tend to agree with AnnandaHya, i don't think it was on earth at all. Theres only one Flaming Sword i see everyday and it just happens to always rise in the east.
I don't know if you care about this or not, but those Books of Adam & Eve would help you a lot with this, i found them to be written through a sincere heart. Its all about Adam & Eve leaving the Garden and entering into the valleys of the shadows of satan (death) you know, right here, right now.
Forever in Christ
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[quote=journey41;473275]Genesis 2:7 And the the Lord God planted a garden eastwood in eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden, to dress it and to keep it.
Question: Where did God form Adam?[/quote]
Apparently from the dust of the earth. The ground. Where exactly? Somewhere between or east of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Maybe in modern day Iraq or in Iran. The exact place is unknown. No Christian will long for a return to Eden, for Eden is where Satan intruded and tempted man, and man listened and Fell into great sin against God. The first human sin. Disobeying the Word of the LORD. The Christian looks not back to Eden, but forward to Heaven and to the New Jerusalem, to the New Heavens and the New Earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. I believe that is in 2 Peter. God save us.
Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden, to dress it and to keep it.
Question: Where did God form Adam?[/quote]
Apparently from the dust of the earth. The ground. Where exactly? Somewhere between or east of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Maybe in modern day Iraq or in Iran. The exact place is unknown. No Christian will long for a return to Eden, for Eden is where Satan intruded and tempted man, and man listened and Fell into great sin against God. The first human sin. Disobeying the Word of the LORD. The Christian looks not back to Eden, but forward to Heaven and to the New Jerusalem, to the New Heavens and the New Earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. I believe that is in 2 Peter. God save us.
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Hi Journey; though i don't remember where it is exactly, you may recall reading this yourself, (if you don't, i'll dig it up if you want) where in the Bible it speaks of Jebus having an unclean birth. Jebus was Jerusalum before it became Jerusalum.
The cleansing of Jerusalum (The Temple) was an ongoing process, that was not completed until king David became king over both the house of Judah and the rest of the houses of Israel.
Thats about all i can share as to why Eden, Paradise ( a reflection of what was) was not made in Jerusalum.
As far as to where it is, i tend to agree with AnnandaHya, i don't think it was on earth at all. Theres only one Flaming Sword i see everyday and it just happens to always rise in the east.
I don't know if you care about this or not, but those Books of Adam & Eve would help you a lot with this, i found them to be written through a sincere heart. Its all about Adam & Eve leaving the Garden and entering into the valleys of the shadows of satan (death) you know, right here, right now.
Forever in Christ
Hi Journey; though i don't remember where it is exactly, you may recall reading this yourself, (if you don't, i'll dig it up if you want) where in the Bible it speaks of Jebus having an unclean birth. Jebus was Jerusalum before it became Jerusalum.
The cleansing of Jerusalum (The Temple) was an ongoing process, that was not completed until king David became king over both the house of Judah and the rest of the houses of Israel.
Thats about all i can share as to why Eden, Paradise ( a reflection of what was) was not made in Jerusalum.
As far as to where it is, i tend to agree with AnnandaHya, i don't think it was on earth at all. Theres only one Flaming Sword i see everyday and it just happens to always rise in the east.
I don't know if you care about this or not, but those Books of Adam & Eve would help you a lot with this, i found them to be written through a sincere heart. Its all about Adam & Eve leaving the Garden and entering into the valleys of the shadows of satan (death) you know, right here, right now.
Forever in Christ
Let me share something with you if I may.
It was a fully loaded question! I wanted to see if anyone cared enough to find the answer. I find all things of the bible interesting. The way God works. I have come across alot of people that ask questions regarding the bible. Most questions are very hard. So we have to search the scriptures for the answer to give them, but it must be the correct answer. We are representing God. We have to show them that our faith is not just blind faith, but it is backed up with knowledge. Knowledge from God ....spiritual knowledge. We know who we believe in, we know his word, we know the way he works & we know his plan because we know him. Seek and ye shall find. This is not just talking about salvation and Christ, this is the first big step we took, but its also talking about going further. Finding the answers. The truth, whatever it may be. This is going into the solids. If we ask, and search his word, he reveals things to us. He will guide us to scripture to find the answer. But you probably already know this! And we can share knowledge with each other, to encourage and build up. If we go to Gods Word, then cant be a bad thing can it, not if our intentions are sincere. His word is spirit, and his word is alive. This is what we are putting into ourselves. His spirit. Not things of the world.
God chose a place right from the beginning. This place is called Jerusalem. He has a major plan for Jerusalem. We know through the scriptures that Jesus Christ will rule there. We know that he was the First King (Michielzekek - King of Righteousness & Peace) and he will be the Last King. He is coming back to claim what is his (rightful throne) He will rule in Jerusalem for 1000 years on his return.
God created Adam & Eve in Jerusalem. He knew they were going to sin, so he took them out of Jerusalem and put them EAST of Jerusalem into the Garden of Eden.
God did this so that Sin would not be born in Jerusalem. Although men have sinned there since, but the answer is that God would not allow SIN to be BORN in JERUSALEM, thats why God did not make the garden & put Adam & Eve there.
Jerusalem will be returned to her former state as when God first created her. Without Sin. And Jesus will rule there. The City of Peace.
God bless.
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that's a rather fanciful tale, journey.
but you made it all up.
there'll be no 1,000 year reign from Jerusalem.
He's on the Highest Throne there is....He owns everything.
He's King now (for believers...maybe you're still waiting on a king)
you claim to know that God planned to not have sin be born in Jerusalem? where did He say that?
here's what He says about Jebus:
JERUSALEM'S UNCLEAN BIRTH
Eze 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.
Eze 16:4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.
Eze 16:5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.
Eze 16:6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.
Eze 16:7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.
Eze 16:8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.
Eze 16:9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.
Eze 16:10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.
Eze 16:11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.
Eze 16:12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
Eze 16:13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.
Eze 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
which makes your claims to be "representing God", of knowing "the way He works", etc rather embarrassing.
why not just present your theories for what they are instead of pretending you've divined something God simply hasn't revealed? (and worse, contradicting what He has revealed).
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The truth may be a strange doctrine for the decieved to follow, and the Lord reveals all things, not man.
What has this to do with the millenium? Anyone can quote scripture. I would like to hear your explaination in your own words on the meaning of the above please.
Nothing to be embarrasssed about when we come to our Father and he fills us with his truth.
[/QUOTE]God reveals to those who are searching.
What has this to do with the millenium? Anyone can quote scripture. I would like to hear your explaination in your own words on the meaning of the above please.
Nothing to be embarrasssed about when we come to our Father and he fills us with his truth.
[/QUOTE]God reveals to those who are searching.
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its not that hard to understand we just reached different conclusions but in the end does it affect people's salvation or is it just a distraction tactic?
as for plate tectonics. it would show that the world does NOT stay the same and it seems pointless to try and find the location where God took His dirt because God tells us it is not dirt that gets you into Heaven but the spiritual rebirth offered by the Holy Spirit. therefore this thread is just promoting more worldly thoughts and less Heavenly ones.
It does not matter where Adam's body was created from because we are to be born again and then upon resurrection given a NEW body as the type Jesus has in Heaven. But then that wouldn't appeal to the take over and control this world theory that many have. mmmm I wonder who wants to take over the world and control from our Lord Jesus Christ who declared all were ALREADY under His dominion. Who the angels proclaimed Lord and Savior of heaven AND Earth. Hmmm who would be gathering the nations to set up his own kingdom?
As you said "what's so hard about understanding that?"
We are to take hold of every thought that wars against the knowledge of Christ Jesus.
Did Jesus conquer, defeat over throw all powers of darkness at the cross or does He need mankind's help to establish His kingdom? Does He or does He not have ten thousand upon thousands of angels who have casted out the angels of darkness and Satan from heaven to the earth upon the ascension of the Lord?
Is He or is He not to do as He promised and judge the wicked and the righteous without the intervention of humanity?
What were Jesus Last words to His disciples? What is the great commission? Why are people trying to establish their own earthly kingdom when God clearly says to be friend of the world is to be an Enemy to Him? what do you think grasping for Earthly power or the promise of "co- rulership with Jesus" is considered in God's eyes?
who do people think they will be judging if not the angels and the deceiving spirits already in the world?
Does it ever say in the Bible anyone judges mankind except for God?
John 3
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
1 Peter 1:22-26
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Enduring Word
22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit[a] in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 24 because
“ All flesh is as grass,
And all the glory of man[c] as the flower of the grass.
The grass withers,
And its flower falls away,
25 But the word of the LORD endures forever.”[d]
Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.
as for plate tectonics. it would show that the world does NOT stay the same and it seems pointless to try and find the location where God took His dirt because God tells us it is not dirt that gets you into Heaven but the spiritual rebirth offered by the Holy Spirit. therefore this thread is just promoting more worldly thoughts and less Heavenly ones.
It does not matter where Adam's body was created from because we are to be born again and then upon resurrection given a NEW body as the type Jesus has in Heaven. But then that wouldn't appeal to the take over and control this world theory that many have. mmmm I wonder who wants to take over the world and control from our Lord Jesus Christ who declared all were ALREADY under His dominion. Who the angels proclaimed Lord and Savior of heaven AND Earth. Hmmm who would be gathering the nations to set up his own kingdom?
As you said "what's so hard about understanding that?"
We are to take hold of every thought that wars against the knowledge of Christ Jesus.
Did Jesus conquer, defeat over throw all powers of darkness at the cross or does He need mankind's help to establish His kingdom? Does He or does He not have ten thousand upon thousands of angels who have casted out the angels of darkness and Satan from heaven to the earth upon the ascension of the Lord?
Is He or is He not to do as He promised and judge the wicked and the righteous without the intervention of humanity?
What were Jesus Last words to His disciples? What is the great commission? Why are people trying to establish their own earthly kingdom when God clearly says to be friend of the world is to be an Enemy to Him? what do you think grasping for Earthly power or the promise of "co- rulership with Jesus" is considered in God's eyes?
who do people think they will be judging if not the angels and the deceiving spirits already in the world?
Does it ever say in the Bible anyone judges mankind except for God?
John 3
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
1 Peter 1:22-26
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Enduring Word
22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit[a] in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 24 because
“ All flesh is as grass,
And all the glory of man[c] as the flower of the grass.
The grass withers,
And its flower falls away,
25 But the word of the LORD endures forever.”[d]
Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.
You are missing the point. We know where God took Adam...East...East of where Ananda? You don't find that interesting? We are talking about God's word here, even if it is history. When man hates scripture and says God words are not important, then that is directing people away from the bible wouldn't you say?
It doesn't matter to you where Adams body was created. I personally find it fascinating. Do you really know what being born again is?? You fight scripture and preach born again...
Sorry you lost me there! Looks like we are going off track into another direction! away from the topic...my thread by the way
A Thats right, so why do some do it when scripture is mentioned?
Again, it would be great if we could stick to the topic. I only wanted a simple answer!
Many christians judge themselves to be saved. Jesus says different. Many will be ashamed after he comes (miserable, blind, poor & naked)
Jo [/QUOTE]Yes, and after we read & understood the gospel, we should want to know more and move on to all the other books as well!
It doesn't matter to you where Adams body was created. I personally find it fascinating. Do you really know what being born again is?? You fight scripture and preach born again...
Sorry you lost me there! Looks like we are going off track into another direction! away from the topic...my thread by the way
A Thats right, so why do some do it when scripture is mentioned?
Again, it would be great if we could stick to the topic. I only wanted a simple answer!
Many christians judge themselves to be saved. Jesus says different. Many will be ashamed after he comes (miserable, blind, poor & naked)
Jo [/QUOTE]Yes, and after we read & understood the gospel, we should want to know more and move on to all the other books as well!
A
Ok Journey, If you want to continue researching this its your choice. Hope your find God's Truth at the end of your journey and don't get stuck on bright shiny things of this world.
Here are a few scriptures if you like, in the end God will reveal all in Heaven, but one should remember the world we live in is not the same as the one spoken of in Bible. Most people do not live 500 years as Noah did:
Romans 12:16
Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
Here are a few scriptures if you like, in the end God will reveal all in Heaven, but one should remember the world we live in is not the same as the one spoken of in Bible. Most people do not live 500 years as Noah did:
Romans 12:16
Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.