The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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Especially given the fact that the 144k are Christians and have the seal of God before the Great Tribulation starts so they enter as Christians. This would also be true of the two witnesses. There is no evidence at all that anyone converts to Christ during the Great Tribulation. The church is clearly in the Great Tribulation making pre-trib a false doctrine.
Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
So, these are Judged AFTER Jesus' return to earth with the Church as Rev. 19 shows, which happens just before Armageddon, which is the Marriage Feast.
Rev. 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
These are the Martyrs shown later on in Rev. 20:4 Jesus specifically tells them they must wait until all of their brothers were killed in like manner as they were, by the Anti-Christ.
No one from the 70th week Martyrs goes to Heaven, they are seen in Rev. 20:4 as being raised and judged after Jesus' Second Coming. Jesus foretold that they would not be raised until after all of the brothers had been killed in like manner, or until the Anti-Christs 42 month rule was fulfilled.
Thus those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 are NOT from the 70th week tribulation, but the Raptured Church from the great church age tribulation.
The Remnant from Rev. 12:17 CAN NOT be Jews, its the Remnant Church from the SEED of Jesus.
So, these are Judged AFTER Jesus' return to earth with the Church as Rev. 19 shows, which happens just before Armageddon, which is the Marriage Feast.
Rev. 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
These are the Martyrs shown later on in Rev. 20:4 Jesus specifically tells them they must wait until all of their brothers were killed in like manner as they were, by the Anti-Christ.
No one from the 70th week Martyrs goes to Heaven, they are seen in Rev. 20:4 as being raised and judged after Jesus' Second Coming. Jesus foretold that they would not be raised until after all of the brothers had been killed in like manner, or until the Anti-Christs 42 month rule was fulfilled.
Thus those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 are NOT from the 70th week tribulation, but the Raptured Church from the great church age tribulation.
The Remnant from Rev. 12:17 CAN NOT be Jews, its the Remnant Church from the SEED of Jesus.
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
No we aren't told to pray for a pre-trib rapture in Luke 21:36.
In Matthew 24 he placed gathering of saints (which is rapture) as happening after the GT has ended so Luke 21:36 is not addressing the rapture.
1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to BEAR it.
One can escape something by being able to bear it. It is not a physical escape but a mental and spiritual escape.
What the verse is telling us is that people will survive the great tribulation by escaping all the deception and Apostasy and will be able to stand before Christ on the day his second coming, the one and only coming which is loud and visible to whole world. That is pure post-trib.
bear it:
G5297
ὑποφέρω
hupopherō
hoop-of-er'-o
From G5259 and G5342; to bear from underneath, that is, (figuratively) to undergo hardship: - bear, endure.
Total KJV occurrences: 3
To escape by bearing it in this context isn't to be raptured away but to be able to bear what is going to come, to undergo hardship. Christians survive the great tribulation are those who escaped in a non-physical sense, being able to bear the tribulations satan brings upon church in that time period. Jesus was also tempted by the devil and Christ escaped those temptations by being spiritually strong and able to undergo the hardship.
Like I said, English must not be Your First Language.
Or, you are Deliberating refusing to View Luke 21:36 as the Answer to the Verse before it, Luke 21:35?
35 like a snare; for it shall come upon all that dwell on the face of all the land.
36 But watch at every time, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of man.
Verse 36 is talking about a Snare.
Paul calls it: Delusion
2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You, Justbyfaith, are either purposefully Twisting Scripture, or You do not completely understand English!
Or, you are Deliberating refusing to View Luke 21:36 as the Answer to the Verse before it, Luke 21:35?
35 like a snare; for it shall come upon all that dwell on the face of all the land.
36 But watch at every time, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of man.
Verse 36 is talking about a Snare.
Paul calls it: Delusion
2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You, Justbyfaith, are either purposefully Twisting Scripture, or You do not completely understand English!
We as people have made up the pre, mid, and post tribulation in our pride wanting to have all the answers and make sense of the mysteries of God when these are only revealed to the close followers such as the disciples, the ones predestined to have ears to hear What the spirit of the Lord says. Like when Jesus said who do you say that I am Peter said why are you are the son of God and Jesus said this has been revealed to you by my Father in Heaven not by man and same thing with this topic these mysteries from revelation Are revealed by the Holy Spirit to those in the covenant with Jesus. Those that will be reigning in the Kingdom ok Heaven not all can rule many are called but few chosen. These Will be given an understanding of the kingdom of God which includes the rapture but I do not call it the rapture as the Holy Spirit has revealed to me that it is the resurrection. In the Bible it’s spoken of as the end of the age; the last day; the day of the Lord it will be the first ressurection dead and alive chosen to rule with Christ.
Resurrection. There are two types - One to life and one to condemnation.
`...all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth - those who have done good, to the RESURRECTION OF LIFE, and those who have done evil, to the RESURRECTION OF CONDEMNATION. ` (John. 5: 28 & 29)
And since the Body of Christ IS NOT in the grave but waiting in the General Assembly, (third heaven, Heb. 12: 23) then we are not involved in those resurrections. Instead we are changed - `put on incorruption...and immortality.` (1 Cor. 15: 52 & 53)
And then we will go to our eternal setting in the third heaven with Christ on His own throne - far above all. (Rev. 3: 21, Eph. 1: 21)
`...all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth - those who have done good, to the RESURRECTION OF LIFE, and those who have done evil, to the RESURRECTION OF CONDEMNATION. ` (John. 5: 28 & 29)
And since the Body of Christ IS NOT in the grave but waiting in the General Assembly, (third heaven, Heb. 12: 23) then we are not involved in those resurrections. Instead we are changed - `put on incorruption...and immortality.` (1 Cor. 15: 52 & 53)
And then we will go to our eternal setting in the third heaven with Christ on His own throne - far above all. (Rev. 3: 21, Eph. 1: 21)
Now in 1 Corinthians 10:13, we become able to bear the temptation because God provides a way to escape that temptation and to get away from whatever is tempting us. Once the temptation is out of the way, we still have to bear it because we are tempted to go back and be ensnared by whatever was tempting us after that we had escaped.
But no, 1 Corinthians 10:13 does not teach us that being able to bear something is the same thing as escaping it; neither is it teaching us that escaping something = merely being able to bear the thing that you are escaping.
That kind of teaching completely changes the meaning of the word "escape" and nullifies the word so that it does not mean what it says.
But no, 1 Corinthians 10:13 does not teach us that being able to bear something is the same thing as escaping it; neither is it teaching us that escaping something = merely being able to bear the thing that you are escaping.
That kind of teaching completely changes the meaning of the word "escape" and nullifies the word so that it does not mean what it says.
It's about not getting caught in the snare while still being here. It is not escaping to heaven. The Great Tribulation is meant for the church. That is the purpose of the Great Tribulation. Did Christ escape the cross or did he escape from sinning? No Christians have been physically removed to save them from their fates. The church will face Great Tribulation and many will be overcome and die. That's a scriptural fact. They don't escape from being killed. Even the two prophets of Revelation 11 are raptured AFTER they were killed not raptured before they were killed.
That is exactly what the verse plainly tells us. It's a different type of escape. The snare is the deception of a false God. The church will escape that while being persecuted right here on the Earth. Over and over it has happened like this. Never was the rapture used to evade being killed.
John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them [tereo ek] from the evil one.
Jesus did not pray that God would take people out of this world to keep them from the evil one. That means Jesus does not approve of rapturing people out of this world to protect them from the evil one. Since Jesus does not approve of that then why do you (anyone reading that believes in a pre-trib rapture that takes people out of this world to keep them from the evil one) support such a concept?
No one is going to be taken out of the world so they can be "kept" from the evil one. That's not how God does things. The rapture is not an exception to that.
Anyone teaching a Pre-trib rapture is going directly against the teaching of Jesus in the above verse.
Because Christ said it was a shortened period of time. We are told it will be 42 months in Revelation. General tribulation has always existed but the Great Tribulation Christ spoke of in the Olivet Discourse is a specific time of tribulation that will be greater (worse) than any other time in history. It hasn't started yet but when someone claims to be god, rules the world and can perform miracles, then we will know the Great Tribulation has started.
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