Do Jews still believe the Messiah is coming?

[SomeDisciple]

it's like you have never talked to an atheists a day in your life

I have read Dawkins et. al. and I know plenty of atheists of varying. Of course they say it's about evidence, but why would you trust what an atheist actually says? If you let them talk long enough, they will contradict themselves. God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him- if they would seek, they would find.

They can't sweep direct evidence away ...this whole idea is just ridiculous

They can, and they will, just like the pharisees. They would explain away any miracle saying "oh, well that's a interesting phenomena!" instead of attributing it to Satan. It's like you've never spoken to an atheist in your life.

If you want it spelled out to you, the clowning you do with Daniel's 70 Weeks, you will watch this different video of the same guy

Okay, so I have watched the video. I have never heard of the idea that "the destruction of the jerusalem in 70AD was part of the work of the cross".
That is a huge claim. Of course it was prophecied... but that does not make it part of the work of the cross. Also, His explanation about why "strong covenant" cannot apply to the anti-christ is weak- considering revelation says the beast is permitted to wage war and conquer and that authority is given to him.

I will definitely look more into the significance of 70AD. But I can see why people would think amillenials are anti-semitic for placing so much significance on this event.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I have read Dawkins et. al. and I know plenty of atheists of varying. Of course they say it's about evidence, but why would you trust what an atheist actually says? If you let them talk long enough, they will contradict themselves. God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him- if they would seek, they would find.

They can, and they will, just like the pharisees. They would explain away any miracle saying "oh, well that's a interesting phenomena!" instead of attributing it to Satan. It's like you've never spoken to an atheist in your life.


Okay, so I have watched the video. I have never heard of the idea that "the destruction of the jerusalem in 70AD was part of the work of the cross".
That is a huge claim. Of course it was prophecied... but that does not make it part of the work of the cross. Also, His explanation about why "strong covenant" cannot apply to the anti-christ is weak- considering revelation says the beast is permitted to wage war and conquer and that authority is given to him.

I will definitely look more into the significance of 70AD. But I can see why people would think amillenials are anti-semitic for placing so much significance on this event.

Right, so this magical Kingdom that you think is going to come out of the sky won't be a problem either.

The age of the real Jews ended in 70 A.D.

We don't want violence against these fake Jews, we just don't like you being clowned into helping them build a Temple that GOD won't be in. That Temple would scream that JESUS did nothing!

 

[iamsoandso]

Right, so this magical Kingdom that you think is going to come out of the sky won't be a problem either.

The age of the real Jews ended in 70 A.D.

We don't want violence against these fake Jews, we just don't like you being clowned into helping them build a Temple that GOD won't be in. That Temple would scream that JESUS did nothing!

Do you believe that the mark of the beast came and some received it in 70ad? Do you see the things written in Revelation 13 having been fulfilled and if so what?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The Risen JESUS is KING of Everything and Everyone.

JESUS already put everything under His feet!

Ephesians 1:20-23
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Do you believe that the mark of the beast came and some received it in 70ad? Do you see the things written in Revelation 13 having been fulfilled and if so what?

Exodus 13:16
And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the LORD brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand.”

the mark is about being on satan's plan instead of GOD'S.

Back in the first century, you would toss a pinch of something into a fire to show allegiance to rome. If you didn't, you were killed.

 

[iamsoandso]

The Risen JESUS is KING of Everything and Everyone.

JESUS already put everything under His feet!

Ephesians 1:20-23
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

And that same Apostle(Paul) also stated in Romans 13:1 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/13-1.htm that the Christians were to see that beast,the fourth beast as ordained by God in authority over us.

 

[iamsoandso]

Exodus 13:16
And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the LORD brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand.”

the mark is about being on satan's plan instead of GOD'S.

Back in the first century, you would toss a pinch of something into a fire to show allegiance to rome. If you didn't, you were killed.

Are you meaning the Jews who revolted against Rome and waged the revolt from ad66-70 and went to their deaths in Jerusalem refusing to see the Caesar of Rome as God?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Are you meaning the Jews who revolted against Rome and waged the revolt from ad66-70 and went to their deaths in Jerusalem refusing to see the Caesar of Rome as God?

The Book of Acts happened before 70 A.D. Early Christians were martyred. The mark isn't really related to the Final Judgment of The City ...JESUS Judged them as being on satan's side.

 

[iamsoandso]

The Book of Acts happened before 70 A.D. Early Christians were martyred. The mark isn't really related to the Final Judgment of The City ...JESUS Judged them as being on satan's side.

Them who the Jews who refused to bow down to Rome,the fourth beast or some one else?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Them who the Jews who refused to bow down to Rome,the fourth beast or some one else?

i'm not sure what you are asking, but nero was a beast.

 

[iamsoandso]

i'm not sure what you are asking, but nero was a beast.

So do you think Paul was incorrect when he said that the authority over them(Christians) were to see him (Nero at that time) was ordained by God and that they were to obey him and pay him tithes because they were due to him? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/13.htm

 

[pittsburghjoe]

So do you think Paul was incorrect when he said that the authority over them(Christians) were to see him (Nero at that time) was ordained by God and that they were to obey him and pay him tithes because they were due to him? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/13.htm

Why are you on a Christian forum?

 

[iamsoandso]

Why are you on a Christian forum?

because I am Christian ,,,why are you reluctant to answer me?

 

[Moses_Young]

I'll give you that...

There are actually a few gems attributed to Hitler. I don't know if it was really he where they originated, but it does highlight that arguments should be weighed on their merits, rather than who is claimed to have said them.

 

[ewq1938]

The Crown of a Life (1869) by Isa Blagden.

“There” is one thing, he said, “and I can take an oath on it if you like, not one farthing of that money will minister to me personally—it goes into the funds of our cause. There is a newspaper to be established in Germany—writers to be sought for and paid—and an establishment to be maintained, and it is on that business I am going abroad; despots gag the press, we more wisely make it out weapon. If a lie is only printed often enough, it becomes a quasi-truth, and if such a truth is repeated often enough, it becomes an article of belief, a dogma, and men will die for it. We, who are of neither extreme in politics, neither pure red not pure black …”

 

[Jocund]

Hi, most all Jews believe The Messiah is still going to return. That’s why they don’t believe in Jesus. They thought Jesus was just a prophet. This is why they hated him so much. The first 5 books of your bible are torah. Pray for wisdom. Keep seeking the truth.

Most modern sects of Judaism today follow the modern Talmud. The Talmud states that Jesus was a false prophet that is currently being scalded in boiling excrement. Talmudites don't believe that the messiah 'will return' because according to their scripture the messiah has yet to come at all.

Many aspects of the Talmud are antiChristian and antiChrist, especially the sections written after the birth, death, and resurrection of Christ.

 

[Jocund]

The antichrist is Jewish? I see this all the time. I usually don't say something...this time I did. I post about the revival going on in Israel and then someone posts about the Jewish antichrist. I could've predicted it. I think Christians should stick up for Jews but many of them don't.

The Talmud is a cornerstone in many modern Jewish sects, including the dominant sect that calls itself "orthodox" Judaism. The Talmud is inherently antiChrist, therefore any devote observers of the Talmud are also antiChrist. There is reference to a particular antiChrist that pretends to be Jesus Christ before His second coming. I believe the observation from previous comments is merely that this individual is consistent with a Talmudite (without it necessarily being the case).

I think Christians should stick up for Jews but many of them don't.

If you mean Talmudic Jews specifically, the appropriate response seems to be to love any sinner and hope they find their way to Christ. It becomes complicated when the Talmud encourages malicious deception as well as racial supremacy and racial discrimination. Not everyone is equiped to properly deal with those kinds of evils. That's a tough egg to crack. And if one were to be tempted by that darkness, it is better to avoid the situation all together. And in other cases only in doses.

We might want to help a crack addict find Christ, but if we ourselves stumble with drug addiction, it probably isn't the best scenario to commit ourselves to. And so too with the conceptual idols of the Talmud. If we are tempted by those idols, it is better to abstain and steer clear of those idol worshippers. It rains and shines on the just and unjust alike, unless we are driven by conscience to take action in a particular way there is no reason to give special attention to any one particular NonChristian group. The cup overflows. There is a lot of love to go around: to both the squeeky wheels and the silent sufferers.

 

[Oblio]

I'm not afraid of religious Jews. I know what I believe. However, one unsure of what they believe may be influenced by them.
Christian Identity is a Christian sect. As are other many other schisms. I don't condemn Christians.
Anti-semitism is ungodly. Unless you're a Nazi.

 

[Oblio]

Love...

 

[Jocund]

I'm not afraid of religious Jews. I know what I believe. However, one unsure of what they believe may be influenced by them.
Christian Identity is a Christian sect. As are other many other schisms. I don't condemn Christians.
Anti-semitism is ungodly. Unless you're a Nazi.

And sadly, some Talmudic Jews are antisemitic and hateful.