Oh right Zone you started this thread. Is that what you mean leave it be?
I never meant "you" cant handle the Word of God ...but to take a verse that says He will babtise you with the Holyspirt and fire....and break it up and say.. babtism of fire ...then examine it, isnt right. I never had an issue with your understanding or belief on the text..id have to reread what ive written but i dont think i ever talked againt that...becuase the main parts of it are true.
I never meant "you" cant handle the Word of God ...but to take a verse that says He will babtise you with the Holyspirt and fire....and break it up and say.. babtism of fire ...then examine it, isnt right. I never had an issue with your understanding or belief on the text..id have to reread what ive written but i dont think i ever talked againt that...becuase the main parts of it are true.
i understand Abiding. and i have tried NOT to separate the word from its context, but only to expand the context; to examine similar and parallel passages, and patterns seen in God's dealings with men.
also offered were studies by others (modern and historical) who have also considered the passage. i think we all agree that there is no univerally accepted interpretation in the church: that was one of my points.
no, i didn't mean leave the thread be, i meant only to respond to and agree with what you said:...
Well neither of them can find their ideas in these verses. So leave the verses as they are.
this isn't essential to salvation, and unlikely to find a resolution at CC.
i see the baptism with fire as judgment (not necessarily unto damnation, just as a symbol of judgment)
ok?
love zone.