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Wansvic · Feb 21, 2022

The scriptures provided establish the fact that remission of sin takes place upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Every word is established via 2-3 scripture witnesses. (Matt. 18:16)

Jesus said that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in His name beginning in Jerusalem. This occurred on the Day of Pentecost as Jesus prophesied. (Luke 24:47)

Acts 2:38-39
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Dino246 · Feb 21, 2022

Wansvic said:

The scriptures provided establish the fact that remission of sin takes place upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Every word is established via 2-3 scripture witnesses. (Matt. 18:16)

Jesus said that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in His name beginning in Jerusalem. This occurred on the Day of Pentecost as Jesus prophesied. (Luke 24:47)

Acts 2:38-39
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

With respect to you, I don't believe that you have come anywhere close to establishing your case.

justbyfaith · Feb 21, 2022

Magenta said:

No, for the fact that Dan believes something that is a false teacher does not in effect make him a false teacher. He may simply be deceived on the matter.

I identified the teaching as false and if that makes Dan a false teacher then that is only an outcropping of the fact that what he is teaching is false.

I am not setting out to call anyone a false teacher but I will identify false teaching when I see it.

justbyfaith · Feb 21, 2022

Everlasting-Grace said:

Ye is singular and you is plural.

justbyfaith · Feb 21, 2022

Everlasting-Grace said:

says the one who would rather use the flawed english language which is lacking, vs the language the actual words were written in.

Which is more accurate? The English or the greek

Lets see your bias....

Negative, because remission of sin is singuar also.

The language does not allow it to be used as you see.

it does not work in any language

here let me give you a language lesson.

pronouns

1st person - I, me, my, mine (singular) we, us our ours (plural)

2nd person - You, Your, Your's (singular) You, Your, Yours (plural - In old english, use Ye instead of you for plural form of you)

3rd person - He, She, Him, Her, it (singular) They, Their, Them, Theirs (plural)

The word you is not even used 3rd person.

hence it would be like saying all of you repent. and let (him, her, it) be baptized.

My eyes are wide open. So much that I do not just look at a verse and make my belief fit that verse. I look at the whole picture. including the language used.

You need to take your own advice my friend

even if "you" is singular, "every one of you" refers to everyone that Peter was speaking to.

I am astounded that you cannot see this that is clearly set in front of you.

Your bias must indeed be strong for your blindness to persist!

Everlasting-Grace · Feb 22, 2022

justbyfaith said:

If you want people to listen to you. You need to learn to study more..

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\ ˈyē \
Definition of ye
(Entry 1 of 2)
: YOU sense 1 —used originally only as a plural pronoun of the second person in the subjective case and now used especially in ecclesiastical or literary language and in various English dialects

Wikepedia

Ye (/jiː/) is a second-person, plural, personal pronoun (nominative), spelled in Old English as "ge". In Middle English and early Early Modern English, it was used as a both informal second-person plural and formal honorific, to address a group of equals or superiors or a single superior.

Oxford Lerners Dictionary

ye
pronoun

/jiː/, weak form

/ji/

/jiː/, weak form

/ji/
(old use or dialect)Idioms

a word meaning ‘you’, used when talking to more than one person

Everlasting-Grace · Feb 22, 2022

justbyfaith said:

No

everyone of you refers to those who recieved remission of sin. They are the complete 3rd person singular phrase.

As for the rest of your comment. Not even worth responding to. It just shows your pride and anger at people Who do not agree with you. And shows your own weakness

Wansvic · Feb 22, 2022

Dino246 said:

Even though many refuse to accept it. The presented word establishes the case that one's personal sin is remitted through obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. And according to Jesus, everyone will be judged by what is actually stated in the Word.

Are you suggesting that both Peter and Ananias were being untruthful in their statements?

Acts 2:38-39
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he (Ananias) said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Dino246 · Feb 22, 2022

Wansvic said:

That's a leading question, which I will happily shred. Firstly, I'm not "suggesting" anything; I'll tell you exactly what I'm saying by saying it. Secondly, both passages are narrative. Luke simply recorded what was said. There is no framework to support the idea that their statements are prescriptive in a general sense. Thirdly, assuming that they are either speaking truth or being untruthful is employing a false dichotomy.

Wansvic said:

You made the same mistake that JustbyFaith made: you overlooked the word "Repent".

Wansvic said:

Again, there is no framework to support the idea that Ananias' words were in any way generally prescriptive.

If you're convinced, that's fine for you. I am nowhere near convinced.

Wansvic · Feb 22, 2022

Dino246 said:

Repentance as well as receiving the Holy Ghost are requirements along with water baptism. My main point was in reference to everyone being required to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin. This requirement does apply to all individuals, regardless of nationality, as specifically noted in the biblical record. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)

Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized. His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command. Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed. (verse 6) Even though Paul explains this concept, the mainstream teaching is that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display. And that is so far removed from the truth. Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie that he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God.

Rom 6:3-6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Wansvic · Feb 22, 2022

Dino246 said:

"Luke simply recorded what was said. " You are right. Yes, he did. The entire bible is written by men that were inspired by God.

Peter and Ananias said sins would be washed away in obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. And each and every one of us will be judged by what they were inspired to record in the Word.

justbyfaith · Feb 22, 2022

Everlasting-Grace said:

If you want people to listen to you. You need to learn to study more..

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\ ˈyē \
Definition of ye
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: YOU sense 1 —used originally only as a plural pronoun of the second person in the subjective case and now used especially in ecclesiastical or literary language and in various English dialects

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Ye (/jiː/) is a second-person, plural, personal pronoun (nominative), spelled in Old English as "ge". In Middle English and early Early Modern English, it was used as a both informal second-person plural and formal honorific, to address a group of equals or superiors or a single superior.

Oxford Lerners Dictionary

ye
pronoun

/jiː/, weak form

/ji/

/jiː/, weak form

/ji/
(old use or dialect)Idioms

a word meaning ‘you’, used when talking to more than one person

In 1 Corinthians 12:21, "you" is plural to the singular "thee".

It follows that if "ye" is saying something different than "you", it is not speaking in the plural, but in the singular.

justbyfaith · Feb 22, 2022

Everlasting-Grace said:

No

everyone of you refers to those who recieved remission of sin. They are the complete 3rd person singular phrase.

As for the rest of your comment. Not even worth responding to. It just shows your pride and anger at people Who do not agree with you. And shows your own weakness

I will pray for you.

justbyfaith · Feb 22, 2022

Dino246 said:

So what?

Dino246 · Feb 22, 2022

justbyfaith said:

So you're both wrong in this regard.

justbyfaith · Feb 22, 2022

Dino246 said:

In that we overlooked repentance in our relating to you the teaching of holy scripture?

What does that have to do with the argument at hand?

Wansvic · Feb 22, 2022

justbyfaith said:

Don't let the naysayers get to you. They can't oppose what the bible actually says about water baptism so they deflect.

We've done our job by sharing the truth. Some have eyes but will never see. And those who have a desire to be sure their understanding is accurate will seek God about it. God gives the increase.

Wansvic · Feb 22, 2022

Dino246 said:

Changing the subject doesn't change what occurs upon obedience to God's command to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 2:38-39, 22:16)

Dino246 · Feb 22, 2022

justbyfaith said:

You are far too full of yourself with regard to your role here. You don't have the knowledge, or the understanding, or the authority to teach Scripture, unless of course you're content to continue being a false teacher.

justbyfaith said:

Facepalm...

Dino246 · Feb 22, 2022

Wansvic said:

Yawn. I wasn't changing the subject; I was responding to JustbyFaith.

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