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atUOTE="ewq1938, post: 4780106, member: 276330"]Exactly. Paul and Christ's teachings are in union. Paul was taught directly by Christ.
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE]We are all in agreement that Paul was in absolute agreement with Christ. What is not being addressed is the comparative importance of living a life of Christ and thinking a life of Christ.
I think that Christ is telling us that it isn't what we say and think as much as what we do that is important.
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE]We are all in agreement that Paul was in absolute agreement with Christ. What is not being addressed is the comparative importance of living a life of Christ and thinking a life of Christ.
I think that Christ is telling us that it isn't what we say and think as much as what we do that is important.
op: "main guide" Confusion = Jesus OR Paul?
Could be problematic IF we go with the theology of "Christ taught The Twelve
And Paul the Exact SAME things." Of course He didn't.
see below...
Especially after this occurs:
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the
gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul],
as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 ( For he that wrought effectually in Peter
to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same
was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: )
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,
perceived The GRACE that was given unto me, they gave to me and
Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the
heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
1) Did not Peter (not Paul) have "the keys to the kingdom" = Christ Told him
(Peter): "Whatsoever ye bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven. And what-
soever ye shall loose on earth, shall be loosed in heaven." (Mat 16:19; 18:18)?
2) Were not the (Peter And the eleven) Twelve commissioned to "go to all
the world" (Matthew 28:19)?
3) So, what Changed for them to break their commission to "go to all the
world"? They "LOOSED themselves" = is that not "binding in heaven"? Or,
they (as some think!): Disobedient to THEIR commission???
4) Most say No, it is "still binding" as the gospel of the
circumcision was unto Peter (gospel of the kingdom), And
the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me
[Paul] (Gospel Of The GRACE Of God), are STILL ONE AND The SAME!
So, now what? How about application of Rule # 2 of God's Bible study Rules?
Where Christ gave 12 one gospel, But, Christ Gave Paul, A Different GOSPEL!!:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels!
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs MYSTERY!
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Conclusion for Paul OR CHRIST, Or BOTH, For us, The Body Of CHRIST?:
1Ti_4:6 "If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things,
thou shalt be a good minister of JESUS CHRIST, nourished up in The
Words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained."
"Good Doctrine" Attained where? Christ to TWELVE For ISRAEL, OR:
"CHRIST To Paul!" For The Body Of CHRIST?:
1Ti_6:3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to
Wholesome Words, even The Words Of our LORD JESUS CHRIST,
and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;"
2Ti_1:13 "Hold fast The Form Of Sound Words, Which thou hast
heard of me [Paul] in faith and love which is in CHRIST JESUS."
Follow Who or who, OR: BOTH?:
1Co_4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
1Co_11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am Of CHRIST.
Eph_5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
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GRACE And Peace...
Could be problematic IF we go with the theology of "Christ taught The Twelve
And Paul the Exact SAME things." Of course He didn't.
see below...Especially after this occurs:
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the
gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul],
as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 ( For he that wrought effectually in Peter
to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same
was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: )
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,
perceived The GRACE that was given unto me, they gave to me and
Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the
heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
1) Did not Peter (not Paul) have "the keys to the kingdom" = Christ Told him
(Peter): "Whatsoever ye bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven. And what-
soever ye shall loose on earth, shall be loosed in heaven." (Mat 16:19; 18:18)?
2) Were not the (Peter And the eleven) Twelve commissioned to "go to all
the world" (Matthew 28:19)?
3) So, what Changed for them to break their commission to "go to all the
world"? They "LOOSED themselves" = is that not "binding in heaven"? Or,
they (as some think!): Disobedient to THEIR commission???
4) Most say No, it is "still binding" as the gospel of the
circumcision was unto Peter (gospel of the kingdom), And
the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me
[Paul] (Gospel Of The GRACE Of God), are STILL ONE AND The SAME!
So, now what? How about application of Rule # 2 of God's Bible study Rules?
Where Christ gave 12 one gospel, But, Christ Gave Paul, A Different GOSPEL!!:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels!
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs MYSTERY!
----------------------------------------------
Conclusion for Paul OR CHRIST, Or BOTH, For us, The Body Of CHRIST?:
1Ti_4:6 "If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things,
thou shalt be a good minister of JESUS CHRIST, nourished up in The
Words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained."
"Good Doctrine" Attained where? Christ to TWELVE For ISRAEL, OR:
"CHRIST To Paul!" For The Body Of CHRIST?:
1Ti_6:3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to
Wholesome Words, even The Words Of our LORD JESUS CHRIST,
and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;"
2Ti_1:13 "Hold fast The Form Of Sound Words, Which thou hast
heard of me [Paul] in faith and love which is in CHRIST JESUS."
Follow Who or who, OR: BOTH?:
1Co_4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
1Co_11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am Of CHRIST.
Eph_5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
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GRACE And Peace...
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op: "main guide" Confusion = Jesus OR Paul?
Could be problematic IF we go with the theology of "Christ taught The Twelve
And Paul the Exact SAME things." Of course He didn't. see below...
Especially after this occurs:
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the
gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul],
as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 ( For he that wrought effectually in Peter
to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same
was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: )
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,
perceived The GRACE that was given unto me, they gave to me and
Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the
heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
1) Did not Peter (not Paul) have "the keys to the kingdom" = Christ Told him
(Peter): "Whatsoever ye bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven. And what-
soever ye shall loose on earth, shall be loosed in heaven." (Mat 16:19; 18:18)?
2) Were not the (Peter And the eleven) Twelve commissioned to "go to all
the world" (Matthew 28:19)?
3) So, what Changed for them to break their commission to "go to all the
world"? They "LOOSED themselves" = is that not "binding in heaven"? Or,
they (as some think!): Disobedient to THEIR commission???
4) Most say No, it is "still binding" as the gospel of the
circumcision was unto Peter (gospel of the kingdom), And
the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me
[Paul] (Gospel Of The GRACE Of God), are STILL ONE AND The SAME!
So, now what? How about application of Rule # 2 of God's Bible study Rules?
Where Christ gave 12 one gospel, But, Christ Gave Paul, A Different GOSPEL!!:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels!
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs MYSTERY!
----------------------------------------------
Conclusion for Paul OR CHRIST, Or BOTH, For us, The Body Of CHRIST?:
1Ti_4:6 "If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things,
thou shalt be a good minister of JESUS CHRIST, nourished up in The
Words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained."
"Good Doctrine" Attained where? Christ to TWELVE For ISRAEL, OR:
"CHRIST To Paul!" For The Body Of CHRIST?:
1Ti_6:3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to
Wholesome Words, even The Words Of our LORD JESUS CHRIST,
and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;"
2Ti_1:13 "Hold fast The Form Of Sound Words, Which thou hast
heard of me [Paul] in faith and love which is in CHRIST JESUS."
Follow Who or who, OR: BOTH?:
1Co_4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
1Co_11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am Of CHRIST.
Eph_5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
-----------------------------------------------
GRACE And Peace...
Could be problematic IF we go with the theology of "Christ taught The Twelve
And Paul the Exact SAME things." Of course He didn't.
see below...Especially after this occurs:
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the
gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul],
as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 ( For he that wrought effectually in Peter
to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same
was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: )
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,
perceived The GRACE that was given unto me, they gave to me and
Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the
heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
1) Did not Peter (not Paul) have "the keys to the kingdom" = Christ Told him
(Peter): "Whatsoever ye bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven. And what-
soever ye shall loose on earth, shall be loosed in heaven." (Mat 16:19; 18:18)?
2) Were not the (Peter And the eleven) Twelve commissioned to "go to all
the world" (Matthew 28:19)?
3) So, what Changed for them to break their commission to "go to all the
world"? They "LOOSED themselves" = is that not "binding in heaven"? Or,
they (as some think!): Disobedient to THEIR commission???
4) Most say No, it is "still binding" as the gospel of the
circumcision was unto Peter (gospel of the kingdom), And
the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me
[Paul] (Gospel Of The GRACE Of God), are STILL ONE AND The SAME!
So, now what? How about application of Rule # 2 of God's Bible study Rules?
Where Christ gave 12 one gospel, But, Christ Gave Paul, A Different GOSPEL!!:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels!
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs MYSTERY!
----------------------------------------------
Conclusion for Paul OR CHRIST, Or BOTH, For us, The Body Of CHRIST?:
1Ti_4:6 "If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things,
thou shalt be a good minister of JESUS CHRIST, nourished up in The
Words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained."
"Good Doctrine" Attained where? Christ to TWELVE For ISRAEL, OR:
"CHRIST To Paul!" For The Body Of CHRIST?:
1Ti_6:3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to
Wholesome Words, even The Words Of our LORD JESUS CHRIST,
and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;"
2Ti_1:13 "Hold fast The Form Of Sound Words, Which thou hast
heard of me [Paul] in faith and love which is in CHRIST JESUS."
Follow Who or who, OR: BOTH?:
1Co_4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
1Co_11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am Of CHRIST.
Eph_5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
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GRACE And Peace...
Now let me ask you a question for clarification, quoting an excerpt from your post:
"So, now what? How about application of Rule # 2 of God's Bible study Rules?
Where Christ gave 12 one gospel, But, Christ Gave Paul, A Different GOSPEL!!:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels!"
My question is that why do you think Peter and Paul had two different gospels?
Now here's my thinking as to why I asked you that:
I can see how it's possible to come to that conclusion with Galatians 2 saying that the "gospel of the circumcision" was committed to Peter and that the "gospel of the uncircumcision" was committed to Paul, it isn't that there is a different gospel for the circumcision versus a different gospel for the uncircumcision, it's that those are the people they are stewards of the gospel of Christ to. Paul mostly preached to the gentiles as his main objective, though obviously he wouldn't pass an opportunity to help a Jew, and Peter mainly focused on Jews.
Paul sent to preach to the Gentiles:
Acts 22:21
21And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.
Peter to the Jews, Paul to the Gentiles:
Galatians 2:8
8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
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Precious friend, thanks for the great question - this study says it
way better than I ever could - please be Very Richly Encouraged!:
IS THERE ONLY ONE GOSPEL IN THE BIBLE?
DID PETER AND PAUL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL?
Many church members believe there is only one Gospel in the Bible. Are they
right in holding to such a conclusion? Is there only one Gospel in the Bible?
Did the Apostles Peter and Paul preach the same Gospel or different ones?
Setting aside my own opinions, and anyone else’s ideas, we will be surprised
to learn what God’s Word has to say about the matter.
Jesus Christ selected 12 apostles on earth, of whom Peter was the head (they
are listed by name in Matthew 10:1-4, Mark 3:14-19, Luke 6:13-16, and Acts 1:13).
He commissioned them to go to the nation Israel first—He commanded them
not to minister to Gentiles. According to Matthew 10:
The 12 apostles were to convert all of Israel first, and then, and only then, they
were to go to the Gentiles (Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:15). Luke 24 further explains:
Everything that Israel’s 12 apostles learned, they learned in from Jesus Christ
during His earthly ministry. Jesus said to them, “But the Comforter, which is the
Holy Ghost, Whom the Father will send in My Name, He shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you”
(John 14:26). He also said to them, “Ye are they which have continued with
Me in My temptations” (Luke 22:28). When selecting Judas’ replacement, the
apostles said, in Acts 1:
The 12 apostles (Matthias taking Judas’ apostleship) followed Jesus during His
entire earthly ministry, from John the Baptist’s water baptism to Jesus Christ’s
ascension into heaven in Acts 1. Galatians 1:11-18 makes it absolutely clear
that the Apostle Paul did not receive from Peter and Israel’s other apostles,
the Doctrines he taught:
Not only did Paul not learn the Grace Doctrines from Peter and the 11,
but he also did not learn the Grace Doctrines from Jesus Christ during
His earthly ministry. In fact, Paul wrote:
During Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry, Paul was lost, and Paul (known then as
“Saul of Tarsus”) was persecuting, imprisoning, and killing Jews who had trusted
Jesus as their Messiah (Acts 8:1-4; Acts 26:9-11; Galatians 1:13; 1 Timothy 1:13).
The resurrected, ascended, and glorified Lord Jesus Christ revealed to
Paul alone the “revelation of the mystery” (Romans 16:25; Galatians 1:11-18;
Ephesians 3:1-11; Colossians 1:25-26). Peter, James, and John never used the
expression “the revelation of the mystery” in their epistles—only Paul used
that term, so that should grab our attention.
Read what the Apostle Peter wrote toward the end of his life in 2 Peter 3:15-16:
For those who want to discard Paul’s epistles of Romans through Philemon
and reject the Doctrines of Grace, they would also have to throw away the
apostle Peter because Peter identifies Paul’s writings as “Scripture.” If you
deny Paul’s apostleship, then you are forced to deny Peter’s as well!
Furthermore, the Apostle Peter admitted that he did not understand everything
that Paul taught and wrote. If Peter and Paul preached the same Gospel and
Doctrines, then Peter would have no trouble understanding Paul’s teaching.
Peter had great difficulty grasping the Doctrine Paul taught, so it is only
logical to conclude that Paul and Peter preached different messages.
Why did Peter not understand the writings of Paul? Peter could not
and did not understand Paul’s message because, like it was stated
earlier, Jesus Christ selected Peter as an apostle of the nation Israel
(Matthew 10:5-7; Galatians 2:9). On the other hand, Jesus Christ selected
Paul to minister to the Gentile, non-Jewish world. Paul was “the apostle of
the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13; Romans 15:16; Ephesians 3:1; 2 Timothy 1:11).
Peter did not need to understand Paul’s doctrine, because
Peter was not ministering to Paul’s audience (Peter had his
own doctrine in his own program and had his own audience).
To be continued in Part II
way better than I ever could - please be Very Richly Encouraged!:
IS THERE ONLY ONE GOSPEL IN THE BIBLE?
DID PETER AND PAUL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL?
Many church members believe there is only one Gospel in the Bible. Are they
right in holding to such a conclusion? Is there only one Gospel in the Bible?
Did the Apostles Peter and Paul preach the same Gospel or different ones?
Setting aside my own opinions, and anyone else’s ideas, we will be surprised
to learn what God’s Word has to say about the matter.
Jesus Christ selected 12 apostles on earth, of whom Peter was the head (they
are listed by name in Matthew 10:1-4, Mark 3:14-19, Luke 6:13-16, and Acts 1:13).
He commissioned them to go to the nation Israel first—He commanded them
not to minister to Gentiles. According to Matthew 10:
“[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go
not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans
enter ye not: [6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
The 12 apostles were to convert all of Israel first, and then, and only then, they
were to go to the Gentiles (Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:15). Luke 24 further explains:
“[46] And [Jesus] said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it
behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
[47] And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached
in His Name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
[48] And ye are witnesses of these things.”
Everything that Israel’s 12 apostles learned, they learned in from Jesus Christ
during His earthly ministry. Jesus said to them, “But the Comforter, which is the
Holy Ghost, Whom the Father will send in My Name, He shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you”
(John 14:26). He also said to them, “Ye are they which have continued with
Me in My temptations” (Luke 22:28). When selecting Judas’ replacement, the
apostles said, in Acts 1:
“[21] Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the
time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, [22] Beginning
from the baptism of John, unto that same day that He was taken up
from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of His resurrection."
The 12 apostles (Matthias taking Judas’ apostleship) followed Jesus during His
entire earthly ministry, from John the Baptist’s water baptism to Jesus Christ’s
ascension into heaven in Acts 1. Galatians 1:11-18 makes it absolutely clear
that the Apostle Paul did not receive from Peter and Israel’s other apostles,
the Doctrines he taught:
“[11] But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was
preached of me is not after man. [12] For I neither received
it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of
Jesus Christ… [15] But when it pleased God, Who separated
me from my mother’s womb, and called me by His Grace,
[16] To reveal His SON in me, that I might preach Him among
the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
[17] Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles
before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto
Damascus. [18] Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem
to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.”
Not only did Paul not learn the Grace Doctrines from Peter and the 11,
but he also did not learn the Grace Doctrines from Jesus Christ during
His earthly ministry. In fact, Paul wrote:
“Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea,
though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now hence-
forth know we Him no more” (2 Corinthians 5:16).
During Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry, Paul was lost, and Paul (known then as
“Saul of Tarsus”) was persecuting, imprisoning, and killing Jews who had trusted
Jesus as their Messiah (Acts 8:1-4; Acts 26:9-11; Galatians 1:13; 1 Timothy 1:13).
The resurrected, ascended, and glorified Lord Jesus Christ revealed to
Paul alone the “revelation of the mystery” (Romans 16:25; Galatians 1:11-18;
Ephesians 3:1-11; Colossians 1:25-26). Peter, James, and John never used the
expression “the revelation of the mystery” in their epistles—only Paul used
that term, so that should grab our attention.
Read what the Apostle Peter wrote toward the end of his life in 2 Peter 3:15-16:
“[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom
given unto him hath written unto you; [16] As also in all his epistles,
speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to
be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest,
as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.”
For those who want to discard Paul’s epistles of Romans through Philemon
and reject the Doctrines of Grace, they would also have to throw away the
apostle Peter because Peter identifies Paul’s writings as “Scripture.” If you
deny Paul’s apostleship, then you are forced to deny Peter’s as well!
Furthermore, the Apostle Peter admitted that he did not understand everything
that Paul taught and wrote. If Peter and Paul preached the same Gospel and
Doctrines, then Peter would have no trouble understanding Paul’s teaching.
Peter had great difficulty grasping the Doctrine Paul taught, so it is only
logical to conclude that Paul and Peter preached different messages.
Why did Peter not understand the writings of Paul? Peter could not
and did not understand Paul’s message because, like it was stated
earlier, Jesus Christ selected Peter as an apostle of the nation Israel
(Matthew 10:5-7; Galatians 2:9). On the other hand, Jesus Christ selected
Paul to minister to the Gentile, non-Jewish world. Paul was “the apostle of
the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13; Romans 15:16; Ephesians 3:1; 2 Timothy 1:11).
Peter did not need to understand Paul’s doctrine, because
Peter was not ministering to Paul’s audience (Peter had his
own doctrine in his own program and had his own audience).
To be continued in Part II
Part II
The Bible says 1 Corinthians 3:10-11:
Who laid the Foundation of the Christian faith for this the Dispensation
of the Grace of God? The Bible says it was the apostle Paul.
Please understand that Jesus Christ is the Foundation, but Paul is the “wise
masterbuilder” (architect) who laid the Foundation Jesus Christ, that is, “the
preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which
was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest”
(Romans 16:25-26).
God revealed that secret information through the ministry of the apostle
Paul, and it was information that involved Jesus Christ as seen through
the lens of the Grace Doctrines (Paul’s epistles, Romans through Philemon).
Read 1 Timothy 1:15-16:
(Again, sadly, modern English “bibles” tamper with these verses, so their
truths are not as obvious here.) A pattern is the first, and the Holy Spirit
says that Paul is our pattern.
He was the first to get placed into the Church Body of Christ—the “hereafter”
refers to people who get saved after Paul. The word “chief” implies Paul is
the first, the primary one, and the head of the line (see “chief” in Acts 14:12,
Luke 22:26, Acts 28:7 where “chief” means “first, main.”)
Paul’s salvation is our pattern for this Dispensation, so the Holy Spirit
tells us to follow Paul as he follows Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1; cf.
1 Corinthians 4:16; Ephesians 5:1; Philippians 3:17; 1 Thessalonians 1:6).
There is no command to follow Peter, James, or John in the Bible.
Why? Remember, Paul is “the apostle of the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13;
Romans 15:16; 2 Timothy 1:11). Remember, James, Peter, and John were
apostles of Israel (Matthew 10:5-7; Matthew 19:27-28; Galatians 2:9).
When the nation Israel asked the Apostle Peter, “What must we do?,” notice
Peter’s answer: “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of
Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy
Ghost” (Acts 2:38; cf. Acts 3:19). However, when the Philippian jailor asked Paul
and Silas, “What must I do to be saved?,” notice what Paul and Silas declared:
Obviously, these are not the same message. Peter told people to repent and
then get water baptized, so they could receive forgiveness of sins and receive
the Holy Spirit. Yet, Paul simply taught that salvation comes by “believing on
[trusting] the Lord Jesus Christ,” without preaching water baptism or repentance.
If words mean anything, Peter and Paul preached two separate Gospels.
Confusion abounds when we mix the nation Israel with the Church the Body
of Christ. We must “rightly divide” the Bible, separating Law from Grace
(Romans 6:14-15), the prophetic program (Acts 3:21) from the mystery
program (Romans 16:25-26a), just as the Apostle Paul instructed Timothy:
(Another verse that modern English versions pollute.)
All of the Bible is for us, but not all the Bible is to us or about us. Paul’s epistles,
Romans through Philemon, have direct application to us; the rest of the Bible
involves the nation Israel and her prophetic program. We cannot take Israel’s
verses as though they were ours.
Anyone who does not see the clear distinction between the ministries
and apostleships of Paul and Peter is actually unwilling to see the difference.
The verses are in plain English, and no seminary degree is necessary. If one
disagrees with any of these verses cited above, he or she is denying God’s Word
and arguing with God Almighty. Be not foolish, friend. Religious tradition is not
the authority; God’s Word rightly divided is the Authority. Let the Bible correct
your thinking; do not correct the Bible.
If you do not see the simple Bible truths contained in this study, you do not
want to see them, and you are being dishonest with the Bible and yourself.
We conclude that one who ignores these Truths is doing so in order to embrace
vain church tradition and fallible denominational biases and interpretations.
Without a shadow of a doubt, Peter and Paul did not preach the same Gospel.
They had different ministries, they preached to different audiences, and taught
different Doctrines (hence, right division is necessary). There is only one Gospel
today, but there is more than one Gospel in the Bible.
by Shawn Brasseaux / website: Did Peter and Paul preach the same gospel?
The Bible says 1 Corinthians 3:10-11:
“[10] According to the Grace of God Which is given unto me,
as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the Foundation, and
another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed
how he buildeth Thereupon. [11] For other foundation
can no man lay than That is laid, Which Is Jesus Christ.”
Who laid the Foundation of the Christian faith for this the Dispensation
of the Grace of God? The Bible says it was the apostle Paul.
Please understand that Jesus Christ is the Foundation, but Paul is the “wise
masterbuilder” (architect) who laid the Foundation Jesus Christ, that is, “the
preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which
was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest”
(Romans 16:25-26).
God revealed that secret information through the ministry of the apostle
Paul, and it was information that involved Jesus Christ as seen through
the lens of the Grace Doctrines (Paul’s epistles, Romans through Philemon).
Read 1 Timothy 1:15-16:
“[15] This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
[16] Howbeit for this cause I obtained Mercy, that in me first
Jesus Christ might shew forth all Longsuffering, for a pattern
to them which should hereafter believe on Him to life everlasting.”
(Again, sadly, modern English “bibles” tamper with these verses, so their
truths are not as obvious here.) A pattern is the first, and the Holy Spirit
says that Paul is our pattern.
He was the first to get placed into the Church Body of Christ—the “hereafter”
refers to people who get saved after Paul. The word “chief” implies Paul is
the first, the primary one, and the head of the line (see “chief” in Acts 14:12,
Luke 22:26, Acts 28:7 where “chief” means “first, main.”)
Paul’s salvation is our pattern for this Dispensation, so the Holy Spirit
tells us to follow Paul as he follows Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1; cf.
1 Corinthians 4:16; Ephesians 5:1; Philippians 3:17; 1 Thessalonians 1:6).
There is no command to follow Peter, James, or John in the Bible.
Why? Remember, Paul is “the apostle of the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13;
Romans 15:16; 2 Timothy 1:11). Remember, James, Peter, and John were
apostles of Israel (Matthew 10:5-7; Matthew 19:27-28; Galatians 2:9).
When the nation Israel asked the Apostle Peter, “What must we do?,” notice
Peter’s answer: “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of
Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy
Ghost” (Acts 2:38; cf. Acts 3:19). However, when the Philippian jailor asked Paul
and Silas, “What must I do to be saved?,” notice what Paul and Silas declared:
“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou
shalt be saved, and thy house” (Acts 16:31).
Obviously, these are not the same message. Peter told people to repent and
then get water baptized, so they could receive forgiveness of sins and receive
the Holy Spirit. Yet, Paul simply taught that salvation comes by “believing on
[trusting] the Lord Jesus Christ,” without preaching water baptism or repentance.
If words mean anything, Peter and Paul preached two separate Gospels.
Confusion abounds when we mix the nation Israel with the Church the Body
of Christ. We must “rightly divide” the Bible, separating Law from Grace
(Romans 6:14-15), the prophetic program (Acts 3:21) from the mystery
program (Romans 16:25-26a), just as the Apostle Paul instructed Timothy:
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that
needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth”
(2 Timothy 2:15 KJV).
(Another verse that modern English versions pollute.)
All of the Bible is for us, but not all the Bible is to us or about us. Paul’s epistles,
Romans through Philemon, have direct application to us; the rest of the Bible
involves the nation Israel and her prophetic program. We cannot take Israel’s
verses as though they were ours.
Anyone who does not see the clear distinction between the ministries
and apostleships of Paul and Peter is actually unwilling to see the difference.
The verses are in plain English, and no seminary degree is necessary. If one
disagrees with any of these verses cited above, he or she is denying God’s Word
and arguing with God Almighty. Be not foolish, friend. Religious tradition is not
the authority; God’s Word rightly divided is the Authority. Let the Bible correct
your thinking; do not correct the Bible.
“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him
acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the
commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let
him be ignorant” (1 Corinthians 14:37-38).
If you do not see the simple Bible truths contained in this study, you do not
want to see them, and you are being dishonest with the Bible and yourself.
We conclude that one who ignores these Truths is doing so in order to embrace
vain church tradition and fallible denominational biases and interpretations.
Without a shadow of a doubt, Peter and Paul did not preach the same Gospel.
They had different ministries, they preached to different audiences, and taught
different Doctrines (hence, right division is necessary). There is only one Gospel
today, but there is more than one Gospel in the Bible.
by Shawn Brasseaux / website: Did Peter and Paul preach the same gospel?
I actually like this post and agree with most of it, found it interesting and thoughtful.
Now let me ask you a question for clarification, quoting an excerpt from your post:
"So, now what? How about application of Rule # 2 of God's Bible study Rules?
Where Christ gave 12 one gospel, But, Christ Gave Paul, A Different GOSPEL!!:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels!"
My question is that why do you think Peter and Paul had two different gospels?
Now here's my thinking as to why I asked you that:
I can see how it's possible to come to that conclusion with Galatians 2 saying that the "gospel of the circumcision" was committed to Peter and that the "gospel of the uncircumcision" was committed to Paul, it isn't that there is a different gospel for the circumcision versus a different gospel for the uncircumcision, it's that those are the people they are stewards of the gospel of Christ to. Paul mostly preached to the gentiles as his main objective, though obviously he wouldn't pass an opportunity to help a Jew, and Peter mainly focused on Jews.
Paul sent to preach to the Gentiles:
Acts 22:21
21And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.
Peter to the Jews, Paul to the Gentiles:
Galatians 2:8
8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
Now let me ask you a question for clarification, quoting an excerpt from your post:
"So, now what? How about application of Rule # 2 of God's Bible study Rules?
Where Christ gave 12 one gospel, But, Christ Gave Paul, A Different GOSPEL!!:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels!"
My question is that why do you think Peter and Paul had two different gospels?
Now here's my thinking as to why I asked you that:
I can see how it's possible to come to that conclusion with Galatians 2 saying that the "gospel of the circumcision" was committed to Peter and that the "gospel of the uncircumcision" was committed to Paul, it isn't that there is a different gospel for the circumcision versus a different gospel for the uncircumcision, it's that those are the people they are stewards of the gospel of Christ to. Paul mostly preached to the gentiles as his main objective, though obviously he wouldn't pass an opportunity to help a Jew, and Peter mainly focused on Jews.
Paul sent to preach to the Gentiles:
Acts 22:21
21And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.
Peter to the Jews, Paul to the Gentiles:
Galatians 2:8
8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
The gospels...Matt., Mark, Luke and John all have different writings concerning Christ. Should we question their motives?
We are to see the difference through what the holy spirit teaches us. We are to see it as from God.
We are to understand circumcision as God gave it, not get all hung up on the importance of cutting flesh, saying there is a difference teaching if cutting flesh is involved. God is spirit, teaching about the spirit, not teaching about the flesh. Cuttomg flesh was a way of explaining the spirit of circumcision. it was to lead to spiritual understanding.
We are to understand circumcision as God gave it, not get all hung up on the importance of cutting flesh, saying there is a difference teaching if cutting flesh is involved. God is spirit, teaching about the spirit, not teaching about the flesh. Cuttomg flesh was a way of explaining the spirit of circumcision. it was to lead to spiritual understanding.
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the apostles all got thier doctrine directly from Jesus. Paul became a part of them afterwards and received e same gospel they had been taught
“After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
1 Corinthians 15:7-11 KJV
They all preached the same things Jesus did and gave us revelation of some of harder to understand things he taught and how they apply to our lives. Paul is one of the apostles no more no less .
Jesus used a lot of parabolic language the apostles taught those things more plainly more revealed they were revelators of the gospel
“After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
1 Corinthians 15:7-11 KJV
They all preached the same things Jesus did and gave us revelation of some of harder to understand things he taught and how they apply to our lives. Paul is one of the apostles no more no less .
Jesus used a lot of parabolic language the apostles taught those things more plainly more revealed they were revelators of the gospel
Whete does a Paul say that forgiveness is conditional on forgiving others? Where does Paul command to take a gift and offer it to a priest after being healed?
The ministry of Jesus was specifically to the Jews concerning the covenant God made with them. Paul’s ministry was to the Gentile world who had no covenant with God. Different ministry, different teachings.
The ministry of Jesus was specifically to the Jews concerning the covenant God made with them. Paul’s ministry was to the Gentile world who had no covenant with God. Different ministry, different teachings.
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In God's eyes humans are all humans, God did not create two separate kinds of humans. God created a race to show the nations that refused to listen to him what God was like and gave them a special blessing for the work he gave them to do, but that is not saying that he created one world for gentiles and a separate world for Jews.
God put Moses in charge of the wild mixed crowd that escaped Egyptian slavery, and gave Moses special commands for these people. That crowd consisted of Hebrews and also people of many races.
God wanted all the nations to listen to Him, everyone was invited to accept the one true God.
God put Moses in charge of the wild mixed crowd that escaped Egyptian slavery, and gave Moses special commands for these people. That crowd consisted of Hebrews and also people of many races.
God wanted all the nations to listen to Him, everyone was invited to accept the one true God.
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