OSAS, the "evil" doctrine.

[Gideon300]

John 17:9-12
"I ask on their behalf. I do not ask on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those You have given Me; for they are Yours. All I have is Yours, and all You have is Mine; and in them I have been glorified. I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to You.

Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one. While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name You gave Me. Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. "

You think maybe God heard and answered Jesus' prayer? I do.

1 John 2:19
"They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us."

1 Corinthians 5:1 & 2
It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is intolerable even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. 2And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and have removed from your fellowship the man who did this?

1 Corinthians 5: 9-11
I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people. I was not including the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

2 Corinthians 2: 5-8
Now if anyone has caused grief, he has not grieved me but all of you—to some degree, not to overstate it. The punishment imposed on him by the majority is sufficient for him. So instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love for him.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

op: osas the "evil" doctrine?
Precious friend(s):

No, not when All related Scriptures Are Prayerfully/Carefully
Considered to find God's Sound Doctrine (12 Dozen) here:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In Christ!
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God's ETERNAL Assurance!


GRACE And Peace...

 

[wintersrain]

op: osas the "evil" doctrine?
Precious friend(s):

No, not when All related Scriptures Are Prayerfully/Carefully
Considered to find God's Sound Doctrine (12 Dozen) here:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In Christ!
+
God's ETERNAL Assurance!


GRACE And Peace...

Wolves hunt in packs.

 

[Blik]

If OSAS teaches that it is OK for Christians to live as if Christ is not in their hearts so they follow Him, then it is not of God. If they are teaching that once you have Christ in your hearts you do not have to listen to Christ, it is against scripture.

Scripture does not back the idea that we are unable to turn away from God once we belong to Him.

Hebrew 10:27 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin

2 Peter 2:20-22 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”

 

[wintersrain]

If OSAS teaches that it is OK for Christians to live as if Christ is not in their hearts so they follow Him, then it is not of God. If they are teaching that once you have Christ in your hearts you do not have to listen to Christ, it is against scripture.

Scripture does not back the idea that we are unable to turn away from God once we belong to Him.

Hebrew 10:27 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin

2 Peter 2:20-22 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”

Amen!

Those that condemn OSAS , which is Gospel and insist eternal Salvation is a license to sin are actually arguing, Once a Sinner Always a Sinner.

Think about what that counter argument to eternal salvation is saying, added to what you observed sister. It's absurd. OSAS= You accept into your heart and life the Savior that saved you from your sins for eternity. Which means you are free to sin for the rest of your life.
Makes perfect sense.

 

[mailmandan]

Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door.
He is not a revolving door.

 

[RichMan]

If OSAS teaches that it is OK for Christians to live as if Christ is not in their hearts so they follow Him, then it is not of God. If they are teaching that once you have Christ in your hearts you do not have to listen to Christ, it is against scripture.

Scripture does not back the idea that we are unable to turn away from God once we belong to Him.

Hebrew 10:27 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin

2 Peter 2:20-22 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”

The key to your post is the word "IF" .
I have never met nor read after anyone that believes in eternal security, salvation can not be lost, teach that it is OK to live as if Christ was not in their life, It is a licence to sin.
They teach the exact opposite.
To say that all teach such a thing is a lie.
No different than say all who believe in tongues believe that those who do not are lost.
There are many posters that post false accusations about people they do not know.
They want to judge all by the actions of a few.
People that do this are showing their ignorance.

 

[RichMan]

Amen!

Those that condemn OSAS , which is Gospel and insist eternal Salvation is a license to sin are actually arguing, Once a Sinner Always a Sinner.

Think about what that counter argument to eternal salvation is saying, added to what you observed sister. It's absurd. OSAS= You accept into your heart and life the Savior that saved you from your sins for eternity. Which means you are free to sin for the rest of your life.
Makes perfect sense.

You are showing just how ignorant you are of this belief.

 

[wintersrain]

Amen!

Those that condemn OSAS , which is Gospel and insist eternal Salvation is a license to sin are actually arguing, Once a Sinner Always a Sinner.

Think about what that counter argument to eternal salvation is saying, added to what you observed sister. It's absurd. OSAS= You accept into your heart and life the Savior that saved you from your sins for eternity. Which means you are free to sin for the rest of your life.
Makes perfect sense.

No red x needed Richman. You've not read the one's that insist Eternal Salvation, what they condemn using the acronym, OSAS, is a license to sin? That's their counter to what is actually Gospel that promises once we're saved we are eternally saved.

Maybe I explained myself poorly on that other post with the red x.

 

[RichMan]

No red x needed Richman. You've not read the one's that insist Eternal Salvation, what they condemn using the acronym, OSAS, is a license to sin? That's their counter to what is actually Gospel that promises once we're saved we are eternally saved.

Maybe I explained myself poorly on that other post with the red x.

Sorry if I misunderstood.
I really hate that OSAS tag.

 

[RichMan]

You are showing just how ignorant you are of this belief.

Please ignore this post. I misunderstood the post I responded to.

 

[Webers.Home]

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• Num 23:21-22 . . He does not look at evil in Jacob, and has seen no
perversity in Israel; the Lord, his God, is with him, and he has the King's
friendship. God has brought them out of Egypt with the strength of His
loftiness.

Anyone whose read the adventures of Moses' people in the Old Testament is
well aware that there was iniquity and perversity in them aplenty. However,
relative to their rescue from slavery in Egypt, God kept a blind eye to their
ways, so to speak.

In other words: no matter how badly Moses' people conducted themselves,
nobody was sent back to Egypt because their redemption was a one-way
trip. There is an invaluable lesson in that, i.e. once redeemed always
redeemed. That rule also applies to Christ's followers.

When folks look ro Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection to redeem themselves
from the wrath of God, it is from that moment onward that God stops
building a criminal case against them.

• 2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not
counting their trespasses against them

The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which
means to take an inventory; i.e. an indictment.

Now, the Jews' conduct cost a large percentage of them the loss of the
promised land, but their conduct never once put them in jeopardy of being
sent back to Egypt.

In a similar manner, a Christian's conduct can cost them the loss of God's
providence (1John 1:6) but their conduct can never cost them the loss of
their redemption.

• John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe in
God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their
sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

Jesus' assurance doesn't extend to Adventists because their religion's
Investigative Judgment keeps Ellen G. White's followers in a perpetual state
of insecurity.

* Don't miss the transfer from death to life. That, like the escape from
slavery in Egypt to freedom across the Red Sea, is a one-way trip never to
be rescinded nor repeated regardless of one's personal conduct.

NOTE: The living are simultaneously quite deceased.

• Rom 6:3-11 . . Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into
Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? . . For we know that our old self
was crucified with him

• Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ

• Col 3:2-3 . . Set your affection on things above, not on things on the
earth. For you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

• Rom 7:1+4 . . Do you not know, brothers-- for I am speaking to men who
know the law --that the law has authority over a man only as long as he
lives? So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ.
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[mailmandan]

If OSAS teaches that it is OK for Christians to live as if Christ is not in their hearts so they follow Him, then it is not of God. If they are teaching that once you have Christ in your hearts you do not have to listen to Christ, it is against scripture.

Scripture does not back the idea that we are unable to turn away from God once we belong to Him.

Hebrew 10:27 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin

2 Peter 2:20-22 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”

In regards to Hebrews 10:26, to “sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, continuous action. One's lifestyle or bent of life. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9)

In regards to 2 Peter 2:20, those who are truly born of God have received a new nature, a divine nature. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20. These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs were never sheep.

Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome. *Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature."

Corruption (Strongs #5356) (to shrivel or wither, spoil , ruin , deprave, corrupt , defile, to destroy by means of corrupting, to spoil as does milk). Corruption - describes decomposition or rotting of an organism and the accompanying stench. The utter depravity of the fallen flesh and the resultant moral decomposition of the world opposed to God is driven by it sinful lusts or evil desires. Internal corruption.

Pollutions/Defilements (Strongs #3393) ("pollutions", "filthy things", "contaminations", "world's filth") describes the state of being tainted or stained by evil and refers to impurity, impure, tainted, defilement, foulness or pollution. Pollutions/Defilement refers to what is on the outside. (2 Peter 2:20) But genuine believers have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (2 Peter 1:4)

Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside. Having the knowledge of Jesus Christ does not save a person if there is no heart submission to that knowledge. The latter end is worse than the beginning for these men because rejecting this knowledge will make them more accountable at the judgment.

Judas Iscariot (who was never saved) is a good example of such a person.

 

[Blik]

No red x needed Richman. You've not read the one's that insist Eternal Salvation, what they condemn using the acronym, OSAS, is a license to sin? That's their counter to what is actually Gospel that promises once we're saved we are eternally saved.

Maybe I explained myself poorly on that other post with the red x.

It is not as a license to sin that is scary about OSAS, it is the idea that we need not stay true to the Lord, that once we are saved our turning on the Lord would be overlooked.

That is what the OSAS says, it is once saved always saved---no matter what we believe or do.

 

[wintersrain]

It is not as a license to sin that is scary about OSAS, it is the idea that we need not stay true to the Lord, that once we are saved our turning on the Lord would be overlooked.

That is what the OSAS says, it is once saved always saved---no matter what we believe or do.

Actually, that's not what Eternal Salvation, which is the actual message in the true meaning of OSAS that is now misunderstood or misrepresented.

The full Gospel dispels the myth that you remarked about there. Eternal Salvation does not say, once saved we are always saved no matter what we believe or do. In point of fact, it is beyond comprehension how anyone could read the Gospel and even imagine that's the message Jesus died to impart.

Those who condemn OSAS = Eternal Salvation as what you describe are ignoring the scriptures. In fact, thinking OSAS is a license to sin isn't just ignoring the scriptures, it's mocking common sense regarding them.
You're eternally saved from sin and are redeemed from being a sinner. Now you can go out and sin all the day long and still be saved....from sin.

They're mocking the scriptures and the Gospel when they make any argument that is even remotely like that. And all their arguments are like that. Just worded differently to deliver the same false message.

 

[Blik]

Actually, that's not what Eternal Salvation, which is the actual message in the true meaning of OSAS that is now misunderstood or misrepresented.

The full Gospel dispels the myth that you remarked about there. Eternal Salvation does not say, once saved we are always saved no matter what we believe or do. In point of fact, it is beyond comprehension how anyone could read the Gospel and even imagine that's the message Jesus died to impart.

Those who condemn OSAS = Eternal Salvation as what you describe are ignoring the scriptures. In fact, thinking OSAS is a license to sin isn't just ignoring the scriptures, it's mocking common sense regarding them.
You're eternally saved from sin and are redeemed from being a sinner. Now you can go out and sin all the day long and still be saved....from sin.

They're mocking the scriptures and the Gospel when they make any argument that is even remotely like that. And all their arguments are like that. Just worded differently to deliver the same false message.

You are explaining salvation as scripture gives it, but the words of once saved always saved does not explain the scripture you say it means.

 

[wintersrain]

You are explaining salvation as scripture gives it, but the words of once saved always saved does not explain the scripture you say it means.

True. There are many here who insist the Gospel's once saved always saved principle is to be relegated to a conditional reprieve. Based on our actions or choices.

However, once someone is saved by God and not of themselves, they are eternally irrevocably saved.

Because their Salvation and faith are a gift of God through his grace. A gift of God. Not of ourselves so that none may boast.
1 John 2:4 "The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

The boasting enters in when we think can revoke God's irrevocable gifts by choice or deed. God sealed us.
"Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put His Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come." 2 Corinthians 1:21-22

That is why OSAS should be called, Once Sealed Always Sealed. I think it would do away with the opportunity to insist eternal irrevocable faith and salvation are able to be revoked by our act or deed.
They are not. If we think they are, we're thinking we can undo what God made unchangeable.

So you are correct. The naysayers as relates to the Gospel of Eternal Life , who encapsulate their argument as OSAS, are not saying what scripture says or means.

 

[JStates]

You are showing just how ignorant you are of this belief.

That's the problem with labels, honestly. That's where a lot of confusion comes from, failure to completely define terms and agree on those definitions. Seems to me like there are several things hiding under the OSAS label. Truths and untruths.

 

[Webers.Home]

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All thru the first ten chapters of the letter to Hebrews , the author
steadily paints his countrymen into a corner, building a case for the
unquestionable superiority of the new covenant.

This next reference to Moses' Law is the coup de grâce that drives in the
final coffin nail on Jews who are relying upon the first covenant to merit
themselves a share in Abraham's promises.

• Heb 10:26-28 . . If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received
the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful
expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of
God.

That's a reference to Num 15:30-31 which states:

"The person, be he citizen or stranger, who acts defiantly reviles the Lord;
that person shall be cut off from among his people. Because he has spurned
the word of the Lord and violated His commandment, that person shall be
cut off-- he bears his guilt."

In a nutshell, under the terms and conditions of the covenant that Moses'
people agreed upon with God, there is neither forgiveness nor atonement
available for scofflaws whose deeds are committed when the violator
knows in advance that his behavior is prohibited; for example dishonesty:

• Lev 19:11 . .You shall not lie, one man to his fellow.

So then, when a Jew is knowingly deceitful or misleading; he commits a sin
for which Moses' covenant provides neither forgiveness nor atonement.

• Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this
law by carrying them out.

So then, what's to be done for the cursed Jew? Well, the answer to his
problem is found in a sacrificial system that provides an atonement for
scofflaws.

• Acts 13:38-39 . . My brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the
forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes
is declared acquitted from everything you could not be acquitted from by the
law of Moses.
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[wintersrain]

That's the problem with labels, honestly. That's where a lot of confusion comes from, failure to completely define terms and agree on those definitions. Seems to me like there are several things hiding under the OSAS label. Truths and untruths.

Agreed.
The truth is, in the Gospel terms, "OSAS" is true. Once Saved Always Saved=Once Sealed Always Sealed.

Denying that Gospel truth for which Jesus gave his life is ungodly.