One taken,one left. The rapture.

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
No. The "coming of the Lord" refers specifically to His Second Coming, just as Heb 9:28, which you quoted above, says.

At the Second coming, there will be the single resurrection of all believers (1 Cor 15:23) and Rev 20:4,5 SAYS that is the FIRST resurrection, which includes Tribulation martyrs, showing this FIRST resurrection to be the resurrection of the saved. ALL the saved.

This Second coming will end the Tribulation and then the King of kings will set up His Millennial Kingdom on earth, where ALL glorified believers will serve/reign with Him. Depending on their evaluation at the Bema (2 Cor 5:10).

It is AFTER the Millennial Reign that ALL unbelievers will be resurrected (minus glorified bodies) to appear at the GWT judgment, and after their evaluation, be cast into the lake of fire. Rev 20:11-15

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

HERE ARE THE LAST WORDS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR SPOKE BEFORE HE ASCENDED TO WHERE HE IS NOW. WHAT TRUTH IS FOUND WITHIN THEM?

HOW MANY MORE PLACES OF DIRECT CONFLICT NEED TO BE POINTED OUT BEFORE 'CONJECTURE' IS PROVEN TO BE INCORRECT? THE LIST IS GETTING LONGER AND LONGER OF WHY 'THE HIDDEN' THINGS CAN NOT BE TRUTH.

My quote above has no "conflict with any Scripture" and is NOT conjecture. Not sure what you are getting at.

My post is backed by clear and plain Scripture.

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Yes, a verse that clearly indicates that Jesus will come back ONCE more. Two Advents.

 

[Amanuensis]

All that is to come is not prophesied.
We are told what we need to know.
So all prophesy in Scripture can be understood.
It is up to us to study and know.

It can be understood as to what the Holy Spirit intended for us to understand. That requires a deep relationship with Jesus Christ who can open our minds to the scripture. Many prophecies will remain closed to the intellectually brilliant and open to the humble and contrite heart that values purity and holiness and a hatred of sin.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Too late. There has already been multiple comings. Those prophecies about his first coming they thought were the ones about the only coming. They were wrong. Let's not get too uppity and think we are superior to scholars of prophesy before us. They were pretty good to know what they did from the vague prophesies they had to work with. But still they failed on many points.

I think we should learn from that and remain humble. Lots left unexplained. And that is God's plan. He hasn't given us all the details that some pretend to have.

The key to understanding how many times Jesus comes to earth is found in prophecy. Count up all the times we find prophecy about Jesus coming to earth. We have only 2. His birth is the first advent. His return as King of kings is the second advent.

Yes, Jesus returned to earth 3 days after His death. Yes, Jesus appeared to Paul. And there are others times that He appeared.

But we count His Advents from prophecy.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

There has only been ONE Coming of the Only Begotten Son of God so far

Are you saying that these two passages (with "COME" word) speak of the SAME INSTANCE??

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

[what we call His "FIRST ADVENT" right??]


" 9Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion!

Shout in triumph, O Daughter of Jerusalem!

See, your King comes to you,

righteous and victorious,d

humble and riding on a donkey,

on a colt, the foal of a donkey.e"


[do you mean to say... this is NOT part of what WE call His "FIRST ADVENT"... OR that these TWO DISTINCT "COMES" refer to the SAME INSTANT/MOMENT IN TIME... OR perhaps that there can be TWO DISTINCT OCCASIONS where TWO DISTINCT "COME" words APPLY, to what WE call His "FIRST Advent"??? maybe???]





This is the point some of us are getting at.

There is a DISTINCTION between (2Th2:1) "the coming [/presence/parousia] of OUR Lord Jesus Christ [when He descends TO THE MEETING OF THE LORD *IN THE AIR*] and OUR [and OUR-ALONE] episynagoges UNTO HIM [THERE [IN THE AIR], and NO ONE ELSE!!]...
...[distinct] from that of (2Th2:8b) "the MANIFESTATION of His presence / parousia" (when "EVERY EYE" shall "SEE" Him, which is well-after the "whose COMING [PRESENCE / PAROUSIA / ARRIVAL]" of the man of sin, which intervenes between these two points-in-time, which two distinct events occur a SPANS OF TIME APART, just as the matters spelled out above in those two "COME" passages quoted at top even tho those both pertain to what WE [/MEN] LABEL AS His "FIRST advent" [more than merely ONE "COME" involved! but DISTINCT ones!... occurring FAR APART... ])

 

[DavidTree]

There has already been a first coming and there will be a second. That is multiple. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that fact. I am not saying that there will be a third coming.

I do believe that the second is the final and will fulfil all of the prophesies that the first coming did not fulfill.

However I have a strong feeling (and I think I have the Spirit of the Lord) that many of the theories are going to need tweaking with these things are finally realized.

Concerning 'tweaking' = take the advice of Matthew 4:1-11 and the Garden Account in Genesis

Now I agree with you that Scripture will Reveal Itself to us thru the Spirit in accordance to "It is written", and that our understanding is to be readily available unto God for His Purpose in His Spirit working in and through us.

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
14Do all things without complaining and disputing, 15that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, 16holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.

 

[kleronomos]

There has already been a first coming and there will be a second. That is multiple. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that fact. I am not saying that there will be a third coming.

I do believe that the second is the final and will fulfil all of the prophesies that the first coming did not fulfill.

However I have a strong feeling (and I think I have the Spirit of the Lord) that many of the theories are going to need tweaking with these things are finally realized.

I sure hope and pray we are making progress but I wonder how much more time we have. Changes come really quickly nowadays.

 

[RichMan]

It can be understood as to what the Holy Spirit intended for us to understand. That requires a deep relationship with Jesus Christ who can open our minds to the scripture. Many prophecies will remain closed to the intellectually brilliant and open to the humble and contrite heart that values purity and holiness and a hatred of sin.

Only the sons of the Father can under His Holy Word.
It is only foolishness to the unbelievers.
But we as sons must study with much prayer to understand.
He does not open our mind and pour it in if we do not put forth the effort.

 

[FreeGrace2]

A pretribulation rapture theory is not proven to be false by using the argument that such a thing would equal to multiple comings. Such a rapture, meeting the Lord in the clouds, being preserved in a place of blessing in some heavenly realm not comprehended or revealed but nevertheless a real place, and partaking with Christ in administering these judgments on the world, and then returning with him after the judgments are over can still be called part of the second coming and not be Multiple comings.

The only way to prove a pretribulation rapture is to have verses that clearly describe Jesus coming in the clouds with all the dead saints and meeting all the living saints together in the clouds, giving all of them glorified bodies AND THEN taking all of them up to heaven.

Oh wait! We already have this in 1 Thess 4. Except there is NOTHING about Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

And we know from Rev 20:5 that the single resurrection of the saved will occur at the end of the Tribulation.

So there you have it. No trip to heaven in a glorified body. And the resurrection is post-tribulation.

 

[kleronomos]

FreeGrace2 said:
No. The "coming of the Lord" refers specifically to His Second Coming, just as Heb 9:28, which you quoted above, says.

At the Second coming, there will be the single resurrection of all believers (1 Cor 15:23) and Rev 20:4,5 SAYS that is the FIRST resurrection, which includes Tribulation martyrs, showing this FIRST resurrection to be the resurrection of the saved. ALL the saved.

This Second coming will end the Tribulation and then the King of kings will set up His Millennial Kingdom on earth, where ALL glorified believers will serve/reign with Him. Depending on their evaluation at the Bema (2 Cor 5:10).

It is AFTER the Millennial Reign that ALL unbelievers will be resurrected (minus glorified bodies) to appear at the GWT judgment, and after their evaluation, be cast into the lake of fire. Rev 20:11-15

My quote above has no "conflict with any Scripture" and is NOT conjecture. Not sure what you are getting at.

My post is backed by clear and plain Scripture.


Yes, a verse that clearly indicates that Jesus will come back ONCE more. Two Advents.

I don't know how or why I attached this to your post because it was supposed to be in reply to a DWM post. Please accept my apology.

 

[kleronomos]

Too late to say that there will not be multiple comings. There already has been one and there is coming another. That is multiple. Therefore the theology that there is only one coming of the Lord would be wrong and must be corrected to "there are two comings, the first and the second"

Having had to modify ones erroneous theology that the prophets only prophesied of one coming means that there might be details about the second coming that is more multifaceted than one thinks. Let's wait and see how it all pans out instead of saying that God "Can't do" something a certain way.

A pretribulation rapture theory is not proven to be false by using the argument that such a thing would equal to multiple comings. Such a rapture, meeting the Lord in the clouds, being preserved in a place of blessing in some heavenly realm not comprehended or revealed but nevertheless a real place, and partaking with Christ in administering these judgments on the world, and then returning with him after the judgments are over can still be called part of the second coming and not be Multiple comings. It is a weak argument to say that it can't happen because it would be multiple comings. There is nothing about the second coming prophesies that rule out many things occurring over a period of weeks months or even years.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ to the world is the content of the book of "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" and as you can read for yourself this "Revelation of Jesus Christ" seems to take some time in order for all those seals, trumpets, vials, etc to be released and the unfolding events to occur on earth and yet it is all part of this REVELATION Of JESUS CHRIST or his second coming if you will.

Isaiah 35:1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.
3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; He will come and save you.
5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
6 Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.
7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:
10 And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.


This still messes me up and makes me think 'in the air' might have more meaning than we understand as in maybe 'changed' but the gathering takes a bit longer?????? IDK.

 

[Absolutely]

WHICH GROUP HAD A NORMAL LIFE?

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.


Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth,

and IT GRIEVED HIM AT HIS HEART

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.



Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.


SO WE HAVE ENOCH, WHO PROPHESIZED OF THE FALLEN ANGELS. THAT is no where near normal as a matter of fact it is so far from normal that God almost killed all mankind.

Then we have Satan and his angels coming to the earth and MOST LIKELY ENOCH BACK TO WITNESS again. AND TO BE KILLED, as we know every man shall see death and judgment (except those alive and remaining at his coming and IN REALITY, they have SEEN Death with their eyes, BUT THE AGE HAS TO END SOMEHOW. It's not like there could ever be a group WHERE ALL THE 'ALIVE AND REMAINING' WERE CHANGED BUT THE ONE TIME.



So there was lots of TRIBULATION going on, and the whole world was 'deceived' by these fallen angels EXCEPT for Noah and his family.

AND JUDGEMENT CAME (the flood) AND THE EVIL SOULS DIED/went to sleep

WAY BEFORE THE ARK ROSE UP, DIDN'T THEY?

None of this makes any sense.
Re read it.
They were doing normal activities and festivities of marriage celebrations and such.

Then came the flood.

You are still oblivious that the scene at the end of the gt is a destroyed earth with the ac killing anyone refusing the mark.
The SETTING OF the noah analogy by Jesus is RADICALLY DIFFERENT

All you have to do is re read it and DO NOT reframe the setting.

Keep it like it reads. Normal life, then the flood comes.
Remember , Noah is already in the ark.
Noah In the ark , and in the setting of normal life and activities.
We also see Normal life and activities for the wicked, while noah in the ark.
That entire setting is PREFLOOD.

THEN of course the flood comes.
Takes noah away in the boat and eventually the water covers the hills and mountains where the water rises and drowns the last of the "hold outs".

No doubt the ark has floated miles away before all hills and mountains get covered , then all the population drowns.
....after noah carried away atop the water.

 

[Absolutely]

The only way to prove a pretribulation rapture is to have verses that clearly describe Jesus coming in the clouds with all the dead saints and meeting all the living saints together in the clouds, giving all of them glorified bodies AND THEN taking all of them up to heaven.

Oh wait! We already have this in 1 Thess 4. Except there is NOTHING about Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

And we know from Rev 20:5 that the single resurrection of the saved will occur at the end of the Tribulation.

So there you have it. No trip to heaven in a glorified body. And the resurrection is post-tribulation.

then remove Rev 14:14,
As It is before your supposed invented resurrection in rev 20, (which has the setting way after armageddon, and after satan chained.)

Whew, what a load if baloney.
THERE IS NO WAY to make that fit.
Postribs( I suppose you alone did not get the memo) , believe the RESURRECTION is at the coming on white horses.
Your false " resurrection" of rev 20 is in the SETTING of MUCH LATER than the second coming.
SMH

It is IMPOSSIBLE...TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE.


Ridiculous

 

[DavidTree]

then remove Rev 14:14,
As It is before your supposed invented resurrection in rev 20, (which has the setting way after armageddon, and after satan chained.)

Whew, what a load if baloney.
THERE IS NO WAY to make that fit.
Postribs( I suppose you alone did not get the memo) , believe the RESURRECTION is at the coming on white horses.
Your false " resurrection" of rev 20 is in the SETTING of MUCH LATER than the second coming.
SMH

It is IMPOSSIBLE...TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE.


Ridiculous

Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.”

14And I looked and saw a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was One like the Son of Man, with a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand.

15Then another angel came out of the temple, crying out in a loud voice to the One seated on the cloud, “Swing Your sickle and reap, because the time has come to harvest; for the crop of the earth is ripe.” 16So the One seated on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.

No rapture here = sickle is for cutting = death = "Blessed are the dead - those who die in the Lord from this moment on".

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

[addressing some / several posts ON THIS PAGE]

"...shall God bring WITH [G4962] Him" can only take place AFTER the "caught up / snatched together with them [that is, caught up AT THE SAME TIME they are also "caught up / SNATCHED"]... TO the meeting of the Lord IN THE AIR: and SO [/ IN THIS MANNER] shall we ever be WITH [G4862] the Lord"


This means, the passage (in v.14) is not referencing their coming with Him in their spirits [without yet having been "[bodily] resurrected" and glorified and caught up/SNATCHED in their "resurrected [and glorified]" BODIES], from the place where they are presently "at home [G1736] with [G4314] the Lord" while "absent from the body".

The MEANS BY WHICH it will be made possible for it to be true of them that "shall God bring WITH [G4862 - UNIONed-WITH] Him," is that the "caught up / SNATCH"-action ("SO / IN THIS MANNER shall we ever be WITH [G4862] the Lord") has already taken place first / prior to that "bring WITH [G4862] Him" aspect.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^

"...shall God bring WITH [G4962] Him"

EDIT TYPO: should read "G4862" here

 

[DavidTree]

Are you saying that these two passages (with "COME" word) speak of the SAME INSTANCE??

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

[what we call His "FIRST ADVENT" right??]


" 9Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion!

Shout in triumph, O Daughter of Jerusalem!

See, your King comes to you,

righteous and victorious,d

humble and riding on a donkey,

on a colt, the foal of a donkey.e"


[do you mean to say... this is NOT part of what WE call His "FIRST ADVENT"... OR that these TWO DISTINCT "COMES" refer to the SAME INSTANT/MOMENT IN TIME... OR perhaps that there can be TWO DISTINCT OCCASIONS where TWO DISTINCT "COME" words APPLY, to what WE call His "FIRST Advent"??? maybe???]





This is the point some of us are getting at.

There is a DISTINCTION between (2Th2:1) "the coming [/presence/parousia] of OUR Lord Jesus Christ [when He descends TO THE MEETING OF THE LORD *IN THE AIR*] and OUR [and OUR-ALONE] episynagoges UNTO HIM [THERE [IN THE AIR], and NO ONE ELSE!!]...
...[distinct] from that of (2Th2:8b) "the MANIFESTATION of His presence / parousia" (when "EVERY EYE" shall "SEE" Him, which is well-after the "whose COMING [PRESENCE / PAROUSIA / ARRIVAL]" of the man of sin, which intervenes between these two points-in-time, which two distinct events occur a SPANS OF TIME APART, just as the matters spelled out above in those two "COME" passages quoted at top even tho those both pertain to what WE [/MEN] LABEL AS His "FIRST advent" [more than merely ONE "COME" involved! but DISTINCT ones!... occurring FAR APART... ])

The First Coming of the LORD has many prophetic elements/fulfilling but they are ONLY part of His FIRST Coming.

Likewise, in His SECOND Coming there will be more prophetic elements/fulfillments but still ONLY ONE SECOND Coming.

Not back and forth trips from heaven to earth for raptures that are not in Scripture and never came out of the Mouth of God.

Back to the question which you have not responded to: Does your rapture occur BEFORE the resurrection of the dead?

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

But we as sons must study with much prayer to understand.
He does not open our mind and pour it in if we do not put forth the effort.

Amen! Prayerful and Careful effort, according to God's BIBLE "study" Rules, but,
it is way Much EASIER to let All the (Disagreeing) prophecy "experts" sort out all
the Confusion, eh? Guess we will find out SOON enough, as this wicked world
gets "worse and worser." Meantime, diligent students, please be Very RICHLY :

Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, Edified, And Comforted! Amen?:

Part I

God’s PRE - TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:
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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)
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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With
The Second Coming, is found in God's Context:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9!)
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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 19:16, 11!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army, * “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:11, 15)

(5) With Another trumpet (AFTER "the 7th angel trumpet in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are SENT, By The KING, TO: “gather the elect”...
(Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew 25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew 25:34-46!)

to be continued...

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Part II

God's Prophetic Program, and second earthly coming

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4:16!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:52-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1-2;
Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans 2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1 Corinthians 3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10;
Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians 5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live * Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22;
1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 KJB!)

* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been
assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?
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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of Eternal Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
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Please Be Very Richly Edified, Encouraged, And Comforted! And:
Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ 😇 ↑

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Not back and forth trips from heaven to earth for raptures that are not in Scripture

At our "RAPTURE," HE does NOT come TO THE EARTH, but WE (INSTEAD) go "TO THE MEETING OF THE LORD IN THE AIR" (and SO / IN THIS MANNER shall we ever be WITH [UNIONed-WITH] the Lord"... "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" [UP THERE]<--not everyone in the world participates in that!! Read the texts)






[again, He is NOT "MARRYING" 10 or 5 VirginS [PLURAL]!!!! (Matt25:1-13 ain't "THE BRIDE / WIFE [SINGULAR]"... HELLO!)--He's not MARRYING "PLURAL VIRGINS"... My 5 year olds have understood this (ponder this awhile)]

 

[FreeGrace2]

I don't know how or why I attached this to your post because it was supposed to be in reply to a DWM post. Please accept my apology.

Accepted, but not needed. We all made typos, confusing posters with others, etc.