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Dino246

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No, you don't subject the Word, the Word subjects you:

Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Irrelevant verse.

-You don't accept the Word after "rigorous examination", you receive the Word and don't resist:

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Examining the text is not 'resisting the Holy Spirit'.

-There is nothing in the Word worthy of "rigorous examination", because all the Word is plain:

Proverbs 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
You seem to think that I don't understand the word of God. You are incorrect in that.

-That is why even the children can understand the Word:

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Irrelevant to your point.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Irrelevant to your point.

-Wisdom and knowledge come from the Lord, not from your "rigorous examination":

Proverbs 2:6 For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
I don't "lean on my own understanding"; that's why I do my homework.

Since you are evidently a KJV-only advocate, here's one for you: "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." - 2 Timothy 2:15
 

oyster67

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I believe that is the process that turns grape juice into alcohol, which is sometimes referred to as 'new wine'. Gonna have to check the grape thread to see if this is actually so.
Please no! Not this again!



It's a bird... no.
It's a plane... no.
It's... Grape juice in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!
 

Magenta

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It doesn't matter what your eyes can "verify",
Air cannot be seen with the eyes. Here, I'll follow your example:

The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but
you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going.

As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the bones are formed in a mother’s
womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things
 

Nehemiah6

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Reported this. It belongs in the conspiracy forum.
Why would holding to a bizarre idea all of a sudden become a conspiracy? We need a separate section labeled "Bizarre Ideas" since so many are coming out of the woodwork.
 

Blain

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Luke 17:20 [...]The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Proverbs 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.

It doesn't matter what your eyes can "verify", Truth is the Word, not "verifiable reality". Because Heaven and Earth will pass away, but His Word will not pass away. And the Word is: FIRMAMENTUM, Solid since the times of the Hebrews.


Genesis was written by Hebrews for Hebrews, same with Proverbs.


Well, how am I to believe you and your "deeper meaning", over the Word? Do you have a second witness? Anything at all to make your case? -Also, "deeper meaning" is not caracteristic of the Word, because the Word is understood even by children:

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

So, whatever "deeper meaning" you have, it must be understood by children.
My freind there is something you must understand about the word of God, it is like an onion or the earths crust it has many layers the first layer can be read and undersatood even by children but as we grow in our understanding and our depth we go into the deeper layers of the word. When we reach the hidden layers that are deeper than mere words we find things we didn't before, the hebrew language just so happens to have deeper meaning than the english language does as it is a holy language and was written as such therefore it will naturally have a deeper meaning to itthan the english words will.

My second witness is the holy spirit as he was the one who lead me to this revelation
 

Magenta

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Why would holding to a bizarre idea all of a sudden become a conspiracy? We need a
separate section labeled "Bizarre Ideas" since so many are coming out of the woodwork.
Flat earthers believe there has been a conspiracy to deceive the world into thinking the Earth is a sphere in a heliocentric system. This includes making everything about NASA a sham operation. According to their beliefs, every photo ever released of the Earth that shows the planet’s curvature has been fake, despite the fact that the planet’s curvature has been witnessed by many when planes fly so high that it’s actually visible to the naked eye. According to Flat Earthers, this is merely an illusion and not something anyone is actually seeing.
 
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Apparently, there are those who believe that nuclear weaponry is a hoax. Really?
 
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Are you ever going to release this "hidden deeper meaning" or are you just gonna keep us in the dark, the revelation hidden since time bagan has been finally revealed to you, and you can't present it. I don't know if you noticed, but so far you only rejected my interpretation, and Strong's definitions, you haven presented any alternative. It seems you whole effort is to try to discredit, not to prove anything.

The childreen understand "water", and "circle", so that is the correct interpretation, because the childreen can't be wrong. We are the ones who have to humble ourselves like childreen.
Maybe it is a reference to clouds in the sky, which are water in the form of vapor
Clouds are "waters under the firmament".
 

Blain

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Are you ever going to release this "hidden deeper meaning" or are you just gonna keep us in the dark, the revelation hidden since time bagan has been finally revealed to you, and you can't present it. I don't know if you noticed, but so far you only rejected my interpretation, and Strong's definitions, you haven presented any alternative. It seems you whole effort is to try to discredit, not to prove anything.

The childreen understand "water", and "circle", so that is the correct interpretation, because the childreen can't be wrong. We are the ones who have to humble ourselves like childreen.


Clouds are "waters under the firmament".
I already revealed it to you, the hebrew word for circle. The english bible says circle and at face value you took that and interpreted it to mean the earth is flat but when I presented to you the hebrew word for circle the definition and meaning for the hebrew word for circle which if you read the whole description of it like I recommended you do showed it also meant a sphere or orb.

Like I told you before there is deeper meaning in the hebrew language than the english language the english language is words yes but the hebrew language has a deeper meaning to each word that is spoken or written it is richer the description and definitions of things are more fluent and more descriptive than the english language each letter in the hebrew alphabet has a numeric value to it as well and each numeric value can be calculated to mean something or describe something many words in the hebrew language are only used in song form as well or in hyms I can go on an but my point is that the holy spirit lead me to look at scripture differently I can't read hebrew but when I look at certain words or certain things in hebrew by searching the meaning of them I am often amazed at what I find.

So in short I already revealed to you the deeper meaning you so mockingly requested you just refuse to accept it because it goes against your flat earth
 

posthuman

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:rolleyes::unsure::confused:...

Okey-dokey, then.

( Maybe it is a reference to clouds in the sky, which are water in the form of vapor.)
i've wondered if gases aren't included under 'water' in ancient Hebrew

the stars, nebulae etc all being gaseous

nevertheless yeah, clouds.
 

posthuman

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Why would holding to a bizarre idea all of a sudden become a conspiracy? We need a separate section labeled "Bizarre Ideas" since so many are coming out of the woodwork.
i've always considered the conspiracy section of the forum to be tantamount to 'bizarre ideas that hardly matter go here'

it's traditionally the home of flat-earth threads, consensus being, there really is no Biblical or scientific basis for such thought, and who cares?? the only people who do care -- who do science and engineering where the shape of the earth actually matters, all know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the earth is not a frisbee.
the handful of verses flat-disciples refer to are all fairly figurative language that could lend itself to various geometric interpretations.
there are thousands of evidences that it is wrong.


God just doesn't seem to find it terribly important to fill scripture with physics in such a manner - it is a book revealing Christ, not a book revealing cosmological topology.
 
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