If all the Bibles disappeared would there still be enough revelation to know Jesus?

[Pilgrimshope]

Through the apostles and close disciples we quite quickly had the canon in circulation and later was agreed to be inspired as a whole.

We today have the Bible and need no other revelation. No one will receive any message that contradicts the Bible in less it is from an evil source.

amen to that. When people claim continuing revelation I think it’s notable that until the Old Testament time had come to be fulfilled , there was no more to be said but it was meant to be heard and believed so they would recognize the messiah when he came to fulfill it

in the same pattern the New Testament is complete and we’re waiting on e promises in it to be fuflilled before anything else will come forth the New Testament will come to pass as the ot led to Christ coming to fulfill it , when he returns again it will fulfill the New Testament

at that time we will have complete revelation after this Testament comes to pass and Jesus returns

The ot was foretelling the coming of Christ and he came now the nt is foretelling the return of Christ and he will come and then we will know more

“Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:8-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the Bible is all we have on earth from God that’s sure. Thkngs like the Holy Ghost are a fruit of believing what’s in it. We couldn’t even know the name Jesus of it wasn’t there nor know of any holy ghost of we didn’t have the doctrine explaining it all.

we could see creation as proof of the creator but could never know what he is saying because the word is in the Bible

 

[Pilgrimshope]

If there were no bibles then yes there would because even Christ himself made himself known to Paul and made him a witness to preach the gospel he would likewise make witnesses by revealing himself to others as well. The bible may be the word of God but if it dissappeared he has other ways of making himself known

the first thing God does in scriptire is speak his word , the last thing he does is speak His word . Why is this ? Mankind is made to know information by words.

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. THE END”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

mans design is to hear the word and respond in faith. Of we weren’t designed to operate by words I could agree but if we were like we are and operate by knowledge held in words and there was no word of God for us to know and hear and believe , I don’t see how.

 

[Blain]

the first thing God does in scriptire is speak his word , the last thing he does is speak His word . Why is this ? Mankind is made to know information by words.

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. THE END”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

mans design is to hear the word and respond in faith. Of we weren’t designed to operate by words I could agree but if we were like we are and operate by knowledge held in words and there was no word of God for us to know and hear and believe , I don’t see how.

you make a good point, perhaps if all the bibles dissapeared he would simply speak to people as he did in the old days, this is assuming of course the knowledge of Jesus is not already known by other believers who could simply spread the gospel by word.

I have heard God speak out loud once before so I know he is not above doing it so in a world where knoledge of him is lacking I wouldn't put it past him of course those who might simply hear the still small voice might come to know him as well just more subtle and not so outright.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

you make a good point, perhaps if all the bibles dissapeared he would simply speak to people as he did in the old days, this is assuming of course the knowledge of Jesus is not already known by other believers who could simply spread the gospel by word.

I have heard God speak out loud once before so I know he is not above doing it so in a world where knoledge of him is lacking I wouldn't put it past him of course those who might simply hear the still small voice might come to know him as well just more subtle and not so outright.

“you make a good point, perhaps if all the bibles dissapeared he would simply speak to people as he did in the old days,”

amen I agree and that is going to happen when all Evil is vanquished and he returns to his creation it will then be like this we won’t need a Bible because

“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:2-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

until that is fulfilled we have to walk by faith in his word of truth as we are able to hear and believe , so it will be

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the reason we need the word written is because in the beginning we were seperated from his actual presence he still dealt with us through mediation of men who heard from him and spoke it and wrote it all down so future generations could know .

how it was for Adam before they sinned and fell into death and we’re cast out of Eden when Hod walked among them and spoke directly to them

“And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Is how it will be in the end when he walks among us and death is no more until then we only have his word that offers his spirit and presence inwardly to believe and walk by faith that leads us home where we truly belong and we’re created to be in that new and surely coming place with him our Father beyond knowledge heard , believed and hoped for , and hope fulfilled

 

[Aaron56]

Through the apostles and close disciples we quite quickly had the canon in circulation and later was agreed to be inspired as a whole.

We today have the Bible and need no other revelation. No one will receive any message that contradicts the Bible in less it is from an evil source.

Of course. And I agree. But that is not my point.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

Yes, of course. Encountering the God who then tells you to pray to Jesus is often what leads to one even being interested enough and patient enough to read the Bible to begin with.

 

[Aaron56]

How so? Because it's "Biblical"?

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..."

yes exactly but I would look here to see what I was saying

“For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. ( New Testament )

For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. ( transfiguration )

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:16-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what I’m saying is if it’s in the Bible it’s the word of the Holy Ghost whether the ot which was behind the veil in Moses law , prophecy when the veil was being slowly lifted to reveal truth and clarity or the New Testament when the veil was torn and removed to offer revelation from heaven

scripture is the word of God when he speaks it is meant to convey to man everything we need to know and understand to come home and live with him forever.

“ we have the benefit of scripture today and we would be wrong to not use it. But saying one can life "Biblically" by knowing the scriptures without being led by the Spirit and without connection to the saints is, ironically, un-Biblical.”


The spirit is in the word and gets into us when we hear and believe .Do you know what common and unbreakable bond we have with them ? They believed rhe sams scriptures given from the same God that we do the law and prophets that witness of Christ the messiah . How is it in unbiblical to agree with the same words they did ? And how would that change their wotness to future generations of the things they heard and believed ?

there is no connection to God of it doesn’t hear and believe and come to agreement with his word. There is no such thing as a saint without they heard and agreed with scripture , no such thing as a Christian who hasn’t heard and believed the gospel which the apostles all believed and preached as well as the prophets beforehand had preached before they were fulfilled

there’s no faith or understanding without scripture is my point. The ot saints believes the gospel that was in prophecy , Jesus fuflilled it , and the apostles and prophets of the new testament witnessed it’s truth

There’s nothing in biblical about accepting the Bible as the word Gkd has spoken and given to the world to hear and believe it’s the only Reason he’s given it and caused it to be written.

It’s meant to teach our minds And hearts the truth of God, mankind , the world and also offer all the promises to at are written and sure. If we stray from those witnesses and promises that would be the definition of un biblical

there are Many books with many words written by mankind , the Bible is the book full of what God actually has to say to us and the gospel is the true and clear message of God to his children we need only hear and believe it as the apostles all did and also wrote it down so no one could change it and preach lies calling them the word of God.

if somethings “biblical “ it will Be in the Bible.

Agreed.

And the Bible is rich with accounts of men knowing God without the scriptures, beginning with Adam. Belief arose because what God gave to some men was preached to other men. It was only after belief and faith were secured that the accounts were recorded. Furthermore, it is the witness of God’s hand in creation that eliminates excuse for the unbeliever.

The Holy Spirit now convicts the world of sin, righteousness and judgement. So, into the world God will send apostles who will preach the word. This word will resonate with the conviction already sown into the hearts of men. Some will believe, some will not. Scripture is for those who believe; Within the Bible, the believers will find more evidence that supports their belief.

 

[Blain]

“you make a good point, perhaps if all the bibles dissapeared he would simply speak to people as he did in the old days,”

amen I agree and that is going to happen when all Evil is vanquished and he returns to his creation it will then be like this we won’t need a Bible because

“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:2-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

until that is fulfilled we have to walk by faith in his word of truth as we are able to hear and believe , so it will be

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the reason we need the word written is because in the beginning we were seperated from his actual presence he still dealt with us through mediation of men who heard from him and spoke it and wrote it all down so future generations could know .

how it was for Adam before they sinned and fell into death and we’re cast out of Eden when Hod walked among them and spoke directly to them

“And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Is how it will be in the end when he walks among us and death is no more until then we only have his word that offers his spirit and presence inwardly to believe and walk by faith that leads us home where we truly belong and we’re created to be in that new and surely coming place with him our Father beyond knowledge heard , believed and hoped for , and hope fulfilled

There may very well be a time on the horizon when this will happen where his word will be written on his peoples hearts, there is a time coming of great faith he is creating for himself a children of end time warriors who will walk in his power and spirit unlike anything seen before they will stand on his word and when they speak so it will be when they heal those who they touch will be healed when they walk God's presence will be felt.
I don't know when or how this will happen I only know it is coming they will not need bibles his word will be written on their hearts..

Of course for those who dot sense or feel this coming or have not heard him speak this to them it sounds pretty outlandish and I do not expect all to simply believe it even I sometimes question it I only know this is what he has spoken to me how it happens or when I have no idea

 

[Aaron56]

There may very well be a time on the horizon when this will happen where his word will be written on his peoples hearts, there is a time coming of great faith he is creating for himself a children of end time warriors who will walk in his power and spirit unlike anything seen before they will stand on his word and when they speak so it will be when they heal those who they touch will be healed when they walk God's presence will be felt.
I don't know when or how this will happen I only know it is coming they will not need bibles his word will be written on their hearts..

Of course for those who dot sense or feel this coming or have not heard him speak this to them it sounds pretty outlandish and I do not expect all to simply believe it even I sometimes question it I only know this is what he has spoken to me how it happens or when I have no idea

Agreed.
Churches distribute tracts. God distributes sons. The saints will become the word made alive in the presence of men. This is why there is a prompting for us to know the scriptures and to know Him.

“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of His Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down—
he who accuses them day and night before our God.
They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Of course. And I agree. But that is not my point.

Did I miss the point?

 

[tourist]

If all the Bibles disappeared would there still be enough revelation to know Jesus?




Yes, because...

Romans
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

We must remember that Jesus is the Creator as well as our Saviour. He and The Father are One, and always have been.

I was thinking of these very same verses when I saw the title of the thread.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I was thinking of these very same verses when I saw the title of the thread.

Yes and that is what I love about this book. It shows in detail the evidence for Jesus within creation.

 

[Blain]

Agreed.
Churches distribute tracts. God distributes sons. The saints will become the word made alive in the presence of men. This is why there is a prompting for us to know the scriptures and to know Him.

“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of His Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down—
he who accuses them day and night before our God.
They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony.

I haven't told many this but I had a vision a while back where I saw me yet it was like it wasn't me I didn't have all the body damage I have now it was almost like I was either completely healed or was given a new body and I myself was different I felt different like there was actual power inside me as if the spirit of God was coursing through my veins and I stood on every word of God as my foundation I was in a church and felt God tell me to stand on stage to speak I went up to the stage and as soon as I spoke suddenly it was like a wave of God's spirirt washed over the crowd every wound was healed peoples fire for God was suddenly blazing many even began worshipping God it was unreal

I believe this time is near at hand I would not expect it to be more than two years from now maybe not even that long.

 

[Jocund]

It is quite an interesting question and one that has always intrigued me. God has worked in dreams, miracles, and visions where people had no access to a Bible, but I'm speaking of natural revelation. Is there enough natural revelation to make a case for Jesus?

In J Warner Wallace's new book Person Of Interest, as a former atheist and cold-case detective, he, before coming to faith, used his detective skills to examine the evidence surrounding the account of Jesus.

I am a few chapters into the book and wanted to share some of the info.

He begins by making the case in history. It is a known fact that such a change of world events occurred for history be divided as BC to AD. But what did the world experience leading up to AD? Why did Jesus enter the world when He did?

“The Roman Empire had unified much of the known world, adopted a popular language, provided a shared alphabet, established peace, constructed roads, developed the world’s best postal service, and embraced just enough religious tolerance to detonate an explosion.” Person of Interest

In each of these points, Wallace breaks down the historical importance of each topic. Concluding that Jesus came about in perfect timing for His message to be heard and shared.

The same idea to the concept of pagan mythology and the pantheon of gods and goddesses. Human history, no matter what region or belief system, the idea of worship, sacrifice, judgment, sin, atonement, miracles, etc., have all been seen in different attributes of the pagan gods throughout history. Here is the list given,

“Predicted by prophecy
Recognized the need for a sacrifice Born by unnatural means
Established a divine meal
Protected as an infant
Faced a trial
Faced temptation
Had the power to defeat death
Was associated with shepherds
Offered eternal life
Possessed supernatural power
Judge the living and the dead
Engaged and taught humans directly” —Person of Interest

Leading up to the time of Christ, humans had the internal expectation of God. The inner need to worship. The internal knowledge of sin. The desire to sacrifice and atone and the expectation for the God(s) to have these same types of attributes.

Fast forward, and you find that not only does Jesus have the exact attributes, but He also meets the 100s of prophetic guidelines for the Messiah in the monotheistic religion of Judaism.

Some skeptics point to this as to say Jesus is a copycat of ancient mythology. But this doesn't hold weight when examined. The pagan mythologies may have at a foundational level a shared sense of what to expect of a God or higher intelligence. Still, beyond that, the pantheon of gods varies in extreme differences.

We also have Jesus, who, if created by former Jews in Judaism, had to try and sell a Messiah of pagan attributes while also meeting all the 100s of prophetic predictions. This is beyond the scope of false Messiahs but in the probability realm of impossible to take root in the culture of Judaism.

Mythology best explains humanity's response to the inward programmed knowledge of the divine without having the complete revelation to know the one true God.

This changed historically when Jesus entered the scene of history. Eventually, changed the world as people began to understand the one true God.

The concept of the message of the Bible being presented in prophesy or visions is one of the theories that addresses how Abraham saw Jesus' day. It would indicate that OT saints could very well have been Christian some time in their life.

 

[Butterflyyy]

So I guess, to OP's question, my answer is "Yes, we would be just fine." The Lord writes His ways on the hearts of men and He will always have a witness in the earth.

Hi Aaron
Are you aware that your profile says you are not Christian?
I thought it may be helpful for me to let you know.
🙂🦋

 

[Aaron56]

Hi Aaron
Are you aware that your profile says you are not Christian?
I thought it may be helpful for me to let you know.
🙂🦋

Thank you, yes. I believe the Romans gave us that moniker to denote a philosophical sect.
I am a son of God, a believer. Christ is my Lord and Savior.

 

[CS1]

It is quite an interesting question and one that has always intrigued me. God has worked in dreams, miracles, and visions where people had no access to a Bible, but I'm speaking of natural revelation. Is there enough natural revelation to make a case for Jesus?

In J Warner Wallace's new book Person Of Interest, as a former atheist and cold-case detective, he, before coming to faith, used his detective skills to examine the evidence surrounding the account of Jesus.

I am a few chapters into the book and wanted to share some of the info.

He begins by making the case in history. It is a known fact that such a change of world events occurred for history be divided as BC to AD. But what did the world experience leading up to AD? Why did Jesus enter the world when He did?

“The Roman Empire had unified much of the known world, adopted a popular language, provided a shared alphabet, established peace, constructed roads, developed the world’s best postal service, and embraced just enough religious tolerance to detonate an explosion.” Person of Interest

In each of these points, Wallace breaks down the historical importance of each topic. Concluding that Jesus came about in perfect timing for His message to be heard and shared.

The same idea to the concept of pagan mythology and the pantheon of gods and goddesses. Human history, no matter what region or belief system, the idea of worship, sacrifice, judgment, sin, atonement, miracles, etc., have all been seen in different attributes of the pagan gods throughout history. Here is the list given,

“Predicted by prophecy
Recognized the need for a sacrifice Born by unnatural means
Established a divine meal
Protected as an infant
Faced a trial
Faced temptation
Had the power to defeat death
Was associated with shepherds
Offered eternal life
Possessed supernatural power
Judge the living and the dead
Engaged and taught humans directly” —Person of Interest

Leading up to the time of Christ, humans had the internal expectation of God. The inner need to worship. The internal knowledge of sin. The desire to sacrifice and atone and the expectation for the God(s) to have these same types of attributes.

Fast forward, and you find that not only does Jesus have the exact attributes, but He also meets the 100s of prophetic guidelines for the Messiah in the monotheistic religion of Judaism.

Some skeptics point to this as to say Jesus is a copycat of ancient mythology. But this doesn't hold weight when examined. The pagan mythologies may have at a foundational level a shared sense of what to expect of a God or higher intelligence. Still, beyond that, the pantheon of gods varies in extreme differences.

We also have Jesus, who, if created by former Jews in Judaism, had to try and sell a Messiah of pagan attributes while also meeting all the 100s of prophetic predictions. This is beyond the scope of false Messiahs but in the probability realm of impossible to take root in the culture of Judaism.

Mythology best explains humanity's response to the inward programmed knowledge of the divine without having the complete revelation to know the one true God.

This changed historically when Jesus entered the scene of history. Eventually, changed the world as people began to understand the one true God.

the word of God has not disappeared from the time God Ordained it to be and never will until all is fulfilled. God's word has come through many dark ages and has stood the test of time. Every war, every political movement, has stood through atheism, postmodernism, marxism, communism, and secular humanism. The word of God (bible)has been removed, burned, made a crime to have, and outlawed YET today still is the number one Book in the world. God said HE has placed His word Above his name. God is able to keep his word and man will not remove from the Earth.