Is the first resurrection divided into two groups?
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People suffering varying degrees of tribulation, but then there is the great tribulation unmatched in intensity compared to any other time in Earth's history.
Matthew 24:21 KJV
21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.
Matthew 24:21 KJV
21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.
I take it you have never read Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in there foreheads. 2 questions 1. What is in or behind your forehead? Your brain so the seal of God is knowledge that you should have learned from Gods word. 2. What is that knowledge? What the mark of the beat is. 666 It is his number He comes at the 6th seal, 6th trump, and the 6th vile.
Thanks Runningman for your comment. I see the first resurrection meaning just that - the first resurrection. And when did that happen? Jesus was the first to be resurrected. His was the first resurrection. So, those who are saved have part in that, since it is because Jesus was first resurrected that they are able to be given life, able to be born again of his Spirit which he then gave. "When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men."
I see the thousand years as parable language for the church age if you will. We can see that Satan is not loosed to hinder people from believing on Christ unto salvation until after the time period. it is only after the thousand figurative years that he is loosed to deceive.
"And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season." The seal mentioned is the holy Spirit.
I see the thousand years as parable language for the church age if you will. We can see that Satan is not loosed to hinder people from believing on Christ unto salvation until after the time period. it is only after the thousand figurative years that he is loosed to deceive.
"And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season." The seal mentioned is the holy Spirit.
What’s your take on this passage?
1 Corinthians 15:20-26 KJV
20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death
1 Corinthians 15:20-26 KJV
20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death
“it does say the second death doesn't have any power over those in the first resurrection”
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
John 11:25-26 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
John 8:51
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
…Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
Romans 8:1-2, 12-13 KJV
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.”
Galatians 5:16, 19-25 KJV
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
John 11:25-26 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
John 8:51
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
…Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
Romans 8:1-2, 12-13 KJV
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.”
Galatians 5:16, 19-25 KJV
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No, they are of the Second Resurrection. The Second Death is The White Throne Judgement. They shall all be cast into The Lake of Fire.
Correct. It only has the power of damnation over those in the Second Resurrection/Group.
It can, and it is.
First Resurrection:
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Second Resurrection:
Revelation 20:5a But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
It then reiterates the explanation beginning at 20:5b... and please note that there is a period between 5a and 5b.
First Resurrection:
Revelation
20:5b This [is] the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Second Resurrection:
Revelation
20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Correct. It only has the power of damnation over those in the Second Resurrection/Group.
It can, and it is.
First Resurrection:
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Second Resurrection:
Revelation 20:5a But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
It then reiterates the explanation beginning at 20:5b... and please note that there is a period between 5a and 5b.
First Resurrection:
Revelation
20:5b This [is] the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Second Resurrection:
Revelation
20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
“they were judged every man according to their works.”
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:28-29
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:28-29
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Hmmm I don’t have a clear picture of what you’re trying to show me and I am very open minded when it comes to the Bible. You’re quoting the same proof texts that I would quote to prove my point. Some people in this thread are seeing what I am saying and others aren’t seeing it so I guess we will just agree to disagree.
However, I am noticing that it is mostly pre-tribulation rapture theologians who require that the first resurrection not be divided into two different groups of saints; one group resurrected in the MK and the second group of saints resurrected after the MK.
Thanks for your perspective though but I must insist it’s unBiblical and encourage you to take another look at it. God bless.
However, I am noticing that it is mostly pre-tribulation rapture theologians who require that the first resurrection not be divided into two different groups of saints; one group resurrected in the MK and the second group of saints resurrected after the MK.
Thanks for your perspective though but I must insist it’s unBiblical and encourage you to take another look at it. God bless.
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Revelation 20:4-6 is not referring to anyone who is doomed. The subject is the first resurrection and who is involved in it. There are two groups, one group is resurrected from a pool of saints who were martyred in the great tribulation. The second group is resurrected after the 1,000 years.
They’re all part of the first resurrection and the second death has no power over them. That means they are not going to the lake of fire.
They’re all part of the first resurrection and the second death has no power over them. That means they are not going to the lake of fire.