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LiveforHim2 said:
Again, I agree that verses 8 and 9 go together, but that doesn't negate the fact that Peter's comment applies to other parts of the passage as well.
I already gave you an example in relation to Jesus' coming as a thief in the night and the new heavens and the new earth.
Those two events are 1000 years apart.
I don't agree. I don't see anything in Scripture to support that idea.
I'll make one more attempt to clarify this for you or others who might be following this conversation, and then I'll move on.
Again, we read:
II Peter chapter 3
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8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
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9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
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11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
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12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
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13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
After telling his readers, which includes us today, to "not be ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (vs. 8), Peter went on to say that "THE DAY OF THE LORD will come as a thief in the night; IN THE WHICH the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works therein shall be burned up" (vs. 10).
In other words, he has both of these events, Jesus' coming as a thief in the night, and the present heavens and earth being changed to make way for "new heavens and a new earth" (vs. 13), occurring on the same ("in the which" - vs. 10) "day of the Lord" (vs. 10).
As I've sought to explain to you before, these two events do NOT occur on the same literal "day" or within the same 24-hour period of time, but rather over the course of a 1000-year timeframe. Again, the first event, Jesus' "coming as a thief in the night" ushers in Christ's Millennial Reign or begins this 1000-year "day of the Lord", and the arrival of the "new heavens and a new earth" closes out Christ's Millennial Reign or comes at the end of his 1000-year "day of the Lord".
Beginning with the words of Christ himself in relation to him "coming as a thief", we read;
Revelation chapter 16
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1] And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
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2] And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
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3] And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
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4] And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
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5] And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
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6] For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
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7] And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
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8] And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
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9] And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
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10] And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
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11] And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
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12] And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
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13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
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14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
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Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
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16] And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
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17] And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Here, we see the seven "vials of the wrath of God" (vs. 1) being poured out upon the earth.
When the first vial is poured out, both "the mark of the beast" and "his image" which is being "worshipped" (vs. 2) are already here.
Similarly, as the fifth vial is poured out, "the seat of the beast, and his kingdom" (vs. 10) are already here.
As the sixth vial is poured out in order to gather "the kings of earth" (vs. 14) "together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon" (vs. 16), Jesus is heard saying the following:
"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." (vs. 15)
In other words, HE HASN"T YET "come as a thief" (Matt. 24:23, Luke 12:39, Rev. 3:3) or HE HASN'T YET "come as a thief in the night" (I Thess. 5:2, II Pet. 3:10), and, therefore, he is still instructing his disciples to "watch" and to "keep their garments".
This is REALITY, whether anybody likes it or not (and pre-tribbers definitely don't like it).
Again, Jesus' "coming as a thief" or "coming as a thief in the night" ushers in or begins "the day of the Lord" or ushers in or begins the Millennial Reign or 1000-year reign of Christ.
At the same time, and as I've previously documented, the "new heavens and new earth" don't come until the end of "the day of the Lord" or until the end of the Millennial Reign or 1000-year reign of Christ.
Again, we plainly and clearly read:
Revelation chapter 20
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And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
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8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
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9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
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10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it,
from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
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12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
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13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
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14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
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15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation chapter 21
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And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
As we just read, it is not until "when the thousand years are expired" (vs. 7), or not until the time when Christ sits upon "a great white throne" (vs. 11) at the end of his Millennial Reign, that "the earth and the heaven fled away" (vs. 11) from his face, "and there was found no place for them" (vs. 11).
Immediately thereafter, John "saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away" (Rev. 21:1).
THIS IS GOD'S TIMELINE in relation to "the day of the Lord", whether anybody here or elsewhere agrees with it or not.
My advice to anybody reading this is to agree with it because to fight against it is to fight against the written and revealed word of God.
Anyhow, as I rightly stated from the beginning, the coming "day of the Lord" is a 1000-year timeframe, just like Peter said that it is, and the two separate events that he equated with this "day" transpire 1000-years apart from each other.
Peter warned us NOT to be ignorant of this reality.
At my end, I'm heeding his advice.
Whatever anybody else chooses to do with Peter's admonition is entirely up to them.