Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

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Raeshelle

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Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

Kakashi said:
My thread has apparently proven its own point.

Let me clarify some things that i didn't make clear in the start. I am very aware that sometimes people feel "threatened" when they have the truth preached to them because it may go against what your current preconceptions are. People have kneejerk reactions and it's natural. HOWEVER, I am also aware that how you deliver the truth is equally as important as the truth itself. Why? because if people see you preaching the "truth" while you are being absolutely stuck up about it, a jerk, prideful etc etc then some people might associate that truth of the gospel to that attitude and it turns people away from it. Bad enough as it is, those who preach the Word without love are hypocrites and the Word loses its ability to latch unto others hearts sometimes, which is a horrible thing.


People who are spreading lies about the gospal, what can you do other than rebuke them and say " you're wrong" and provide reasons for why? BLC when you said "If someone came to you and lied about your best friend, would you just sit there and say nothing or would you tell them it was a lie and to stop spreading the lie or else?"

What do you mean "or else"? Do we threaten people now? It seems like some people in here are wanting justification to get rough and tough because it sounds good and holy, but honestly, most people on these forums aren't out of line enough to call the inquisition on. I'll admit I have seensome people in here who have false doctrines IMO, but I just debate and disagree with them and move on. What does threatening do? You can only do so much with words, Do we forget that only God can truely affect peoples hearts? if we preach Gods word, and a person doesm't react to it, I do not think that stuffing it down their gullet is going to make things work any better.


That is my honest opinion.
Also, it seem my thread has also somehow gotten off topic of the rapture? Please let's stay on topic and keep personal quips to PM! I'm not a mod, but I just wanna keeo things straight n the point. Please and thanks!
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I Agree with you.. Your point has been proven so far on this thread.. I read this far and gave it up as it just gets more and more off topic. I been whining about this very thing for a long time. Because of this I had to stay out of the forums for a bit because I myself was getting so upset over and realized it wasn't worth the effort to even brother to post on some of the topics because no matter what I had to say didn't matter, I was always wrong.. lol.. Thanks for the post I think that you spoke what alot of us have been feeling.. Brave man .
 
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Kakashi said:
Yes, i agree! i found the perfect verse that emphsizes this. Ephesians 4:26 In your anger do not sin: do not let the sun down while you are still angry.

Notice it says in your anger do not sin. not it is a sin to be angry. We can all be angered by things people do, but its how we approach it is how we avoid sin and we do that by putting off pride and the " old man" of our old selves.
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good call! thats perfect! :)
 
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On behalf of the Knights, "I forgive you all!"
Now,.
Let’s continue our "polemics"
there’s still plenty of fancy words to be used as weapons
and verses of verses of Bible verses as shields
We are the Christian after all, few more "new denominations" won’t hurt
Just don’t touch my coffee!

With Love,
~Ren

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Hello BLC,

I think you are confusing being faithful to God's word with doing so in a manner that shows no respect or love for the listener.


As you seem to claim maturity beyond others in this forum, please allow me to ask;

Should mature brothers speak in swift judgement, or do they speak the truth in love?

Does a mature brother speak as one who is greater than his brethren, or as one who is completely lowly and meek?


(As a side note, please check the translation of 'offend' in Ps119:165, as in the time of KJ a more common usage may have been 'to sin'. )
 
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hahaha this is actually really interesting! One thing we as Christian's need to see is that anger can be good if used correctly!!
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I would ask that we weigh the words of any preacher against the words of scripture.

Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. (James 1:19-20)

Our Lord does let 'zeal for his Father's house consume him', but this is not his own anger at a wounded pride or hurt feelings. I do believe there is a righteous anger, but that anger is slow (Pr22:24, 1Co13:5) and is not rooted in our own personal hurt feelings.

Our Lord reminds us that, "Anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgement" (Mt 2:22) and urges us to reconcile swiftly with those with whom we are angry.

"In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while ou are still angry (Eph 5:26)

My wife and I made a promise early in our marriage that we would keep to this admonition... we have stumbled on occassion, but God has been faithful ;)
 
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Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

Dragoon9 said:
Hello BLC,

I think you are confusing being faithful to God's word with doing so in a manner that shows no respect or love for the listener.


As you seem to claim maturity beyond others in this forum, please allow me to ask;

Should mature brothers speak in swift judgment, or do they speak the truth in love?

Does a mature brother speak as one who is greater than his brethren, or as one who is completely lowly and meek?


(As a side note, please check the translation of 'offend' in Ps119:165, as in the time of KJ a more common usage may have been 'to sin'. )
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I make no such claim as you have asserted. I have the word of God before me and the Holy Spirit within, just as any believer does. If I or a brother lacks in faith, we can fill that which is lacking (1Thes 3:10). We don't fill it with error but with grace and truth as we have received it from God.

Meekness is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22,23). Love, joy and peace are inward fruit we have within. longsuffering, gentleness and goodness is the fruit that we have toward others. And faithfulness, meekness and temperance is the fruit we have toward God.

Moses was a very meek man among all men on the earth because of his great need for God and his obedience to God (Num 12:3). Jesus had a meek and lowly heart (Mt 11:29) and did always those things that pleased the Father, not man (John 8:29). We don't go around showing meekness toward others, we walk in the Spirit and bear the fruit of meekness. If meekness does not come from the Holy Spirit then it is only a human virtue without God. It may be a good virtue and commendable and have favor with certain people, but don't confuse it with meekness before God, which is totally different.

I know of a weak man, who God called and made him a man of God. As a pastor and a loving Father and husband, he was given a church of (6) people to pastor. His theme for more than 20 years was to serve others. The order was God first, others second and self last. God gave him much fruit and one day when he awoke early in the morning, God opened his ear and said gently, I am the Alpha and Omega. When you serve me, I am first, I am second and I am last. After that God took his ministry into 100 countries and planted over 500 local churches. That is the fruit of meekness.
 
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Hello again BLC,

Be careful brother, as I think you are adding to scripture that which is not there.

When Paul writes (through the Spirit), "With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love" (Eph 4:2), he is not talking about relationship with God, but rather with "one another".

Similarly, when Christ is asked who will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven, he replies, "If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all." (Mark 9:35) Note again that the injunction is 'to all', and not just to God.

We are definitely to faithful, meek and temperate before God, but "if I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet" (John13:14). This is why scripture tells us that in our weakness, God's strength is made complete (2Cor 12:9). Not only do we rely on him more fully in these times, but we are made humble in the recognition that it is His power which works His ends... and not any force, fine words or work from us.

Boldness is not nullified by meekness and humility. This is wordly wisdom. In Christ, we are to be both bold and yet meek and loving, so that our boldness does not harden hearts, but instead creates straight ways and soft hearts amongst those who hear.

Who am I to raise myself above my brothers and sisters? Before the Lord reached down to me, I was the worst of sinners. He's the one that deserves honour, glory and praise. To God alone.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Mt 22:37-40)
 
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Kakashi said:
( Note: I wanted to add the word "biblical" to the title before the word " subject", but didn't have enough room lol)

Just saying. Since I've had some time to myself cause school is done, I've had lots of time to peruse here. But in this particular section it seems that some people(not all of them) who think they are right on a biblical subject can be...well it seems like they can be a bit full of themselves. i can understand that sometimes be can get in spirited debate, but there's no excuse for having a 'holier than thou art because I'm more knowledgeable about something" Isn't it pointless being a knowledgeable christian if all we do with it it is misuse it for our own egos? Dosen't the bible say:

1Cr 13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
1Cr 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.


I know there are tons of loving people here and I see them a lot! But it breaks my heart when we fight and bicker sometimes because some people want to be right and be a jerk about it rather than try to correct with a better attitude. cause, even though this is the internet, you can tell when someone is being stuck up about something sometimes and it causes more division than we already have. I'm willing to accept that each of us has varying beliefs, but love should be a common factor ya?. Ok, I'm done ranting. Your thoughts?
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true, and another title of this thread could be, "knowing they're wrong doesn't mean you're right"
 
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BLC said:
Meekness is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22,23). Love, joy and peace are inward fruit we have within. longsuffering, gentleness and goodness is the fruit that we have toward others. And faithfulness, meekness and temperance is the fruit we have toward God.

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I agree with everything Dragoon said. That being said, i was under the impression that love was an outward fruit towards God and others.
 
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What if your a jerk for jesus??? does that count
 
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jaylynn83 said:
What if your a jerk for jesus??? does that count
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lol no. cause it's not what we do. it's who He is. :p and how we should follow Him. He's no a jerk lol.
madly in love with Jesus would sound better lol
 
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Dragoon9 said:
Hello again BLC,

Be careful brother, as I think you are adding to scripture that which is not there.

When Paul writes (through the Spirit), "With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love" (Eph 4:2), he is not talking about relationship with God, but rather with "one another".

Similarly, when Christ is asked who will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven, he replies, "If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all." (Mark 9:35) Note again that the injunction is 'to all', and not just to God.

We are definitely to faithful, meek and temperate before God, but "if I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet" (John13:14). This is why scripture tells us that in our weakness, God's strength is made complete (2Cor 12:9). Not only do we rely on him more fully in these times, but we are made humble in the recognition that it is His power which works His ends... and not any force, fine words or work from us.

Boldness is not nullified by meekness and humility. This is worldly wisdom. In Christ, we are to be both bold and yet meek and loving, so that our boldness does not harden hearts, but instead creates straight ways and soft hearts amongst those who hear.

Who am I to raise myself above my brothers and sisters? Before the Lord reached down to me, I was the worst of sinners. He's the one that deserves honour, glory and praise. To God alone.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Mt 22:37-40)
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We love God because He first loved us (1John 4:19). Our first love is to receive love from God and then love God according to (Mt 22:37-40). Jesus asked Peter (3) times if he loved Him. If you do, then feed my sheep and my lambs. We first receive love from God and reciprocate that love to God and in that relationship we are able to love others because we have a fellowship of love. We can't love anyone without a fellowship of love that is with the Son and with the Father. And it is the Holy Spirit that produces and sheds that fellowship of love in our hearts (Rom 5:5). When we are truly loving others this way, we are loving one another as we have been loved. You can't love your neighbor unless you have a fellowship of love.

The second is likened unto it. And when you put them all together, we have a feasts of charity (Jude 1:12) with one another because the Son and the Father is in that fellowship of love through the Holy Spirit. This is called theantric action and it is impersonal love. It is impersonal because love does not need an object in order to be love. God is love (1John 4:8) and needs no object or subject to be what He is eternally by nature and attribute. This same action took place when God sent His only Son. He choose to actively love the world by sending His Son to deal with sin that separated man from having a relationship with Him. Each member of the trinity is involved in the action of love that takes place in the believer's heart as a fellowship with one another. The Father planned it, the Son executed the plan and the Holy Spirit convicts and reveals it to the heart of the sinner, that they might believe.
 
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Thaddaeus said:
most times when they look like a jerk, is when they are right, because it is so hard for people to admit that what they have been taught all their life might not be true, or what they believe might not be Bible. it is a type of pride that kicks in when we are proven wrong, when we get to the point that we see the truth, or we know we can't prove them wrong then we have to find something wrong, somewhere with them so then we attack them or their way of statement, this is way Paul said Ga 4:16Am I therefore become your enemy, because I TELL YOU THE TRUTH?
so they are not really jerks , it is our fleshly defense kicking in a type of defense, so we will feel better even though we are wrong they are jerks for telling us we are wrong. maybe I shouldn't have said this someone may think I am a Jerk

You think that some of the scribes and pharisees evr thought that John the Baptist was a jerk when he called them vipers:

Mt 3:7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
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LOL LOL LOL LOL....O MY thats funny......

So...apparently its ok to call people names, throw your weight around, act like a coward and pick on others from behind a computer screen, wield God's word like a big mallet and hit people on the head and generally just act like a big biblical bully....after all....the fact that they're acting like a jerk isnt their fault at all, according to Thaddeus its YOURS!!!!!!!

Oh my thats hilarious....I must say I am impressed with the twisting of words and scripture in order to justify your own bad behaviour..thankyou for being the perfect example of why this thread exists!
 
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MahogonySnail said:
I have realised that in general the length of one's post is inversely proportional to the amount of error contained within.
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FINALLY some aussie wisdom!!!!!! I want a bumper sticker with that on it Mahogony that is CLASSIC!! :D
 
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Forgiven83 said:
FINALLY some aussie wisdom!!!!!! I want a bumper sticker with that on it Mahogony that is CLASSIC!! :D
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Have you come here to reason or to make fun and have a good laugh? If you have come for fun then maybe you can share with us some of the jerky things about you and your life, so that we can all have a good laugh, mate!
 
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BLC said:
Have you come here to reason or to make fun and have a good laugh? If you have come for fun then maybe you can share with us some of the jerky things about you and your life, so that we can all have a good laugh, mate!
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BLC why dont you start everyone off with a list of jerky things people do.... your post being number one... shall we have a 2??
 
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jaylynn83 said:
BLC why dont you start everyone off with a list of jerky things people do.... your post being number one... shall we have a 2??
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I am not the only one that you don't like on this site, but was is it about the things I post that has gotten you upset with me? Please say what you think. It may be that you can make others happy with your comments.
 
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BLC said:
I am not the only one that you don't like on this site, but was is it about the things I post that has gotten you upset with me? Please say what you think. It may be that you can make others happy with your comments.
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Your right, there are a bunch of people i dont like on this sight.... mainly the ones that say the things you do, or make assumptions about me that arent true... AND the ones that gossip about me...... i have not read any of your posts before this one.... maybe you can make others happy with your comments...... go on.... give it a shot...
 
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jaylynn83 said:
Your right, there are a bunch of people i dont like on this sight.... mainly the ones that say the things you do, or make assumptions about me that arent true... AND the ones that gossip about me...... i have not read any of your posts before this one.... maybe you can make others happy with your comments...... go on.... give it a shot...
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You have only read one post and it made you mad enough to be upset with me? If you would, what was that one thing that I said that got you upset?
 
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Knightjester said:
On behalf of the Knights, "I forgive you all!"
Now,.
Let’s continue our "polemics"
there’s still plenty of fancy words to be used as weapons
and verses of verses of Bible verses as shields
We are the Christian after all, few more "new denominations" won’t hurt
Just don’t touch my coffee!

With Love,
~Ren

:p ;)
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Yo, Knight!
I think they do actually listen to you, lol
well, keep 'em comin, hehe
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