Romans 11:32, Galatians 3:22......
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The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.
Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
For Messiah is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female;
for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
For Messiah is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female;
for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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In light of the rest of your post, you should ask that question of yourself.
True, and talking about Jew and Gentile, not husband and wife. Not a directive at all.
From a completely different context, and a directive statement rather than a statement of truth.
Wrong. Man is completely incapable of separating Christ from His bride. Man is, however, capable of separating a husband from his wife. Once again, you are attempting to draw a link between union of one human to another in marriage and joining of one "race" with another in Christ. There is no correlation between them.
True, and talking about Jew and Gentile, not husband and wife. Not a directive at all.
From a completely different context, and a directive statement rather than a statement of truth.
Wrong. Man is completely incapable of separating Christ from His bride. Man is, however, capable of separating a husband from his wife. Once again, you are attempting to draw a link between union of one human to another in marriage and joining of one "race" with another in Christ. There is no correlation between them.
Holy Spirit to Dino246,
A.) Jew and Gentile are ONE BODY = the BODY of MESSIAH = spoken of as ONE Bride waiting for their Groom/Savior.
B.) What applies to a Husband and His Wife applies to Messiah and His Bride.
C.) Sinful man indeed has and continues to separate Jew from Gentile in the Body of Christ.
D.) False doctrine, the RCC, pre-trib rapture, proponents of the law and others are those that seek to separate Jew from Gentile in Messiah.
E.) TRUTH CALLING Dino246 - Ephesians 5:22-33
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, His body, of which He is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless.
In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. Indeed, no one ever hated his own body, but he nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church. For we are members of His body.
“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”
This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church.
Nevertheless, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
(Sigh)... You just don't get it. I'll put it in elementary terms so that (hopefully) you can see your error.
A husband and wife are like two halves of a whole.
Jesus and His bride are, in the same way, like two halves of a whole.
Continuing with the "picture" of marriage, Jew and Gentile together are not like a husband and wife.
Rather, Jew and Gentile are like two halves of a half.
The correlation completely falls apart.
Again, your conclusion (Jesus and His bride [consisting of Jew and Gentile] shall not be separated) is valid, but your correlation is not valid.
A husband and wife are like two halves of a whole.
Jesus and His bride are, in the same way, like two halves of a whole.
Continuing with the "picture" of marriage, Jew and Gentile together are not like a husband and wife.
Rather, Jew and Gentile are like two halves of a half.
The correlation completely falls apart.
Again, your conclusion (Jesus and His bride [consisting of Jew and Gentile] shall not be separated) is valid, but your correlation is not valid.
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Of course not! But HE does speak thru me and all who love Him and the Word.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
there's that pesky 'whom' again
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
there's that pesky 'whom' again
Holy Spirit to Dino246,
OK then - the Bride of Christ is made up of TWO Halves = Jew & Gentile who are permanently JOINED into ONE BODY.
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female;
for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Notice how Abraham has only ONE SEED.
OK then - the Bride of Christ is made up of TWO Halves = Jew & Gentile who are permanently JOINED into ONE BODY.
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female;
for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Notice how Abraham has only ONE SEED.
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So, forgetting what is behind, the op, let us strain forward to what lies ahead
In this corner we have DavidTree who objects to what our poster in the other corner, Dino, says
Perhaps the op will decide to referee, if not, this could become a free for all scripture punting contest. Let us resolve to perhaps learn from either participant as they endeavor to compete with comprehension and possibly a slight amount of twisting to get a point across.
Winner takes all and touts superior biblical forum knowledge.
In this corner we have DavidTree who objects to what our poster in the other corner, Dino, says
Perhaps the op will decide to referee, if not, this could become a free for all scripture punting contest. Let us resolve to perhaps learn from either participant as they endeavor to compete with comprehension and possibly a slight amount of twisting to get a point across.
Winner takes all and touts superior biblical forum knowledge.
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And that is why the use of "Messiah" in this context is not appropriate. It is better to speak of the Body the the Lord Jesus Christ or the Body of Christ. "Messiah" (Mashiach) is primarily for the Jews. "Christ" is for the whole world.
Yes the Bible says that:
1. All human beings are sinners in need of the Savior.
2. Christ died for the sins of the whole world.
3. The Lord Jesus Christ rose again from the dead after three days for our justification.
4. Sinners are justified by grace through faith plus nothing.
5. All may be saved if all will repent and believe on Him, and receive Him as Lord and Savior.
6. All those who are born again are children of God and baptized into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit.
7. Therefore there is only one Body, just as there is only one Spirit.
8. However the functions of the various parts of the Body are not all the same.
9. Those members which receive little honor must be seen as being just as important as those who receive much honor.
10. Every Christian has received at least one spiritual gift for the edification of the rest of the Body.
Yes the Bible says that:
1. All human beings are sinners in need of the Savior.
2. Christ died for the sins of the whole world.
3. The Lord Jesus Christ rose again from the dead after three days for our justification.
4. Sinners are justified by grace through faith plus nothing.
5. All may be saved if all will repent and believe on Him, and receive Him as Lord and Savior.
6. All those who are born again are children of God and baptized into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit.
7. Therefore there is only one Body, just as there is only one Spirit.
8. However the functions of the various parts of the Body are not all the same.
9. Those members which receive little honor must be seen as being just as important as those who receive much honor.
10. Every Christian has received at least one spiritual gift for the edification of the rest of the Body.
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You stated that you can read the Scripture but you then argue against it.
Is your understanding greater then that of Galatians, Ephesians and Romans???
What do you find so offensive in Christ having only One Body made from Two = Jew and Gentile?
The Holy Spirit only leads us into Truth.
HE does not tell us to argue against Truth but to embrace it and all who have the Truth.
Not appropriate for a Gentile to speak of Messiah???
That's antichrist to say such a thing.
OK, i get it now - if your a Gentile you can only say Jesus but if your a Jew you can say Yeshua HaMoshiach.
This type of erroneous thinking is exactly why the Holy Spirit gave to us Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Gospel of John, Revelation.
Is your understanding greater then that of Galatians, Ephesians and Romans???
What do you find so offensive in Christ having only One Body made from Two = Jew and Gentile?
The Holy Spirit only leads us into Truth.
HE does not tell us to argue against Truth but to embrace it and all who have the Truth.
Not appropriate for a Gentile to speak of Messiah???
That's antichrist to say such a thing.
OK, i get it now - if your a Gentile you can only say Jesus but if your a Jew you can say Yeshua HaMoshiach.
This type of erroneous thinking is exactly why the Holy Spirit gave to us Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Gospel of John, Revelation.