The main reason there can never be true unity between Catholics and Christians

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Nehemiah6

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...it's all right there in their Catechism.
And yet Catholic apologists will tell you that (1) you are ignorant of their beliefs or (2) you are lying about their beliefs. But never "You are right. There is no biblical basis for this nonsense".
 
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Let's say a Catholic does learn the true Word and puts their faith in the true Jesus. If they then realize what they've participated in previously is a false gospel, should they stay and participate or get out?
Absolutely they should 'Get Out' of the Harlot = Revelation ch18
Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

“Come out of her, My people,
so that you will not share in her sins...."

With THAT SAID, the Holy Spirit may keep them there for a couple of reasons:
a.) to bear Witness to the Truth in hopes of reaching others who are lost in RCC darkness
b.) they may never acquire the Power of the Spirit to SEE beyond Christ crucified for their sins
c.) only God knows the heart = Hebrews ch4

"For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account."

Idolatry is a very hard thing to let go of = just look at the Jewish People to this day.

Observe the 'pre-trib rapture' idol = a highly cherished/worshipped idol amongst many/most christians today.
JUST AS RCC, the pre-fib rapture idol has NO PLACE in Scripture nor in God's Heart for us and is the main divisive sin today.
 

ResidentAlien

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Absolutely they should 'Get Out' of the Harlot = Revelation ch18
Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

“Come out of her, My people,
so that you will not share in her sins...."

With THAT SAID, the Holy Spirit may keep them there for a couple of reasons:
a.) to bear Witness to the Truth in hopes of reaching others who are lost in RCC darkness
b.) they may never acquire the Power of the Spirit to SEE beyond Christ crucified for their sins
c.) only God knows the heart = Hebrews ch4

"For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account."

Idolatry is a very hard thing to let go of = just look at the Jewish People to this day.

Observe the 'pre-trib rapture' idol = a highly cherished/worshipped idol amongst many/most christians today.
JUST AS RCC, the pre-fib rapture idol has NO PLACE in Scripture nor in God's Heart for us and is the main divisive sin today.
I agree a person may remain for a time for various reasons but I don't believe the Holy Spirit would direct a person to stay permanently in that system. Some may stay and see it as a kind of mission field but that's a bad idea and not one inspired by the Spirit, in my opinion.
 
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I agree a person may remain for a time for various reasons but I don't believe the Holy Spirit would direct a person to stay permanently in that system. Some may stay and see it as a kind of mission field but that's a bad idea and not one inspired by the Spirit, in my opinion.
i agree, but i have matured to know that God is the Source of Eternal Life, Truth and the Holy Spirit so HE alone speaks to that individual and LOVE'S our Brothers and Sisters in CHRIST no different then each one of us.

So, love our sister XavierJesusLovesIndia
 

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i agree, but i have matured to know that God is the Source of Eternal Life, Truth and the Holy Spirit so HE alone speaks to that individual and LOVE'S our Brothers and Sisters in CHRIST no different then each one of us.

So, love our sister XavierJesusLovesIndia
You said "sister." You seem to be under the same spell as so many others here. If someone bows to the wafer Jesus they're not a brother or sister.
 
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CORRECTION for Post #143

Should read as follows: "So, love our Brother XavierJesusLovesIndia"
 

ResidentAlien

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Unity sounds great and some day we'll get there.

But there's one serious problem with the false unity of ecumenism: It seeks to join under one banner all faiths and religions. But Jesus said the way is narrow that leads to life and few find it. Ecumenism teaches the way is broad and welcomes everyone. Jesus said this is the road that leads to destruction.

Catholicism want to join hands with everyone: Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus; you name it.
 
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Unity sounds great and some day we'll get there.

But there's one serious problem with the false unity of ecumenism: It seeks to join under one banner all faiths and religions. But Jesus said the way is narrow that leads to life and few find it. Ecumenism teaches the way is broad and welcomes everyone. Jesus said this is the road that leads to destruction.

Catholicism want to join hands with everyone: Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus; you name it.
The #1 reason to reject/FLEE from RCC is that it is a perversion of the Gospel = satanic. John 1:1-21
The next reason to FLEE the RCC is that FATHER said so in His Word = SEE reason #1
The third reason to FLEE the RCC is that Jesus said so: Luke 11:33-36

"No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a secret place or under a basket, but on a lampstand, that those who come in may see the light. The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore, when your eye is good, your whole body also is full of light. But when your eye is bad, your body also is full of darkness. Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness. If then your whole body is full of light, having no part dark, the whole body will be full of light, as when the bright shining of a lamp gives you light.”
Luke 11:33-36
 

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Okay, so you're okay with a "Jesus" who is literally embodied in a wafer and is sacrificed over and over at every mass. Just for the record, that's your position.
I did not say I was okay with transubstantiation any where in my post.

So actually, no, its not for the record.
 
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Seems in re-scanning the thread we have one member who distorts Scripture one that points out distortions.
ResidentAlien is declaring the Word of God and fellow believers are angry with him?



Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Gen_3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
He is not alone...I agree with his assessment along with many others.
I don't see anger..... I see resentment of denominational choice.

That is too bad...they have a proper selection available. Just study a Christian Bible....KJV suggested.
 
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If you had been involved, you would have better insight into the "institution" of the RC church over time and the individual people.

And I disagree they have a "different Jesus."
What they have is a tradition that has been placed on the same level as divine revelation.
Unlike cults like Mormonism and JW they do teach Jesus is God and the Saviour of the world.

There is no "unity" across the various denominations that is why they exist.

I think when there is this attack on one denomination when there exist more progressive liberal churches that just are just as removed from biblical teaching but in a different way your attack on the RC church comes across as very personal and as @ChristianTonyB stated as a "contentious spirit."

The combination is truth spoken in love.
Agreed He is not a different Jesus....they are Idolater worshipers along with Jesus. It is a violation of God's dominion.
I doubt He appreciates that ...at all.
 

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Agreed He is not a different Jesus....they are Idolater worshipers along with Jesus. It is a violation of God's dominion.
I doubt He appreciates that ...at all.
Agree, however, I think you would find many Catholics do not really pray to the saints and all that much anymore, perhaps more in South America.

In my experience, most Catholics sitting in the pews are very liberal minded, believe in basic tenets of Christianity somewhat, and really do not know all that much about the teachings of the church.
 
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My personal take on holy communion, is that it refers to the communion (gathering together) of people made holy by their belief in and faithfulness towards Jesus.

The act people carry out in some churches, and sometimes called 'Holy Communion', is a contemporary but more often used version of the Passover feast that Israel honours each year.

Before Jesus' ministry on earth, God used various measures, including annual remembrances of significant historical events, to help keep the minds and hearts of the Israelites directed towards Him.

After Jesus' ministry here, each Christian has been given the Holy Spirit who will keep our minds and hearts directed towards God, every day.
 

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It's called the Eucharist and transubstantiation. If the Jesus a Catholic trusts in is the Jesus who Catholic clerics all over the world claim to manifest in a piece of bread, they don't know the true Jesus; that is, the Jesus who was sacrificed once for all. How can there be fellowship between a false Jesus and the true One? There can no more be true unity than there can be between a Christian and Muslim who believes Jesus isn't the Son of God. One Jesus is true, the other false.

Catholics are even contradicted by their own supposed leader, Peter: "For Christ also suffered once to atone for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Spirit,"—1 Peter 3:18

And Hebrews 10:12 says: "But He Himself, having offered one sacrifice for sins forever, He sat down at the right hand of God,"

This is a good video on the subject (21 min.)

A blatant bigoted sectarian remark arising from carnality rather than a love of truth!
 

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You said . . .

And I disagree they have a "different Jesus."
If you don't believe they have a different Jesus then the wafer Jesus is the same Jesus as the one in the Bible; and I assume you're okay with that Jesus.
 

ResidentAlien

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Catholicism isn't a Christian denomination as some have stated. It's a counterfeit Christianity.