yes, they create a diversion and keep dividing people by starting arguments.
Blessings,
JF
Adam and Eve first people on earth?
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yes, they create a diversion and keep dividing people by starting arguments.
Blessings,
JF
I thought it was widely accepted that Noah's three sons were the forefathers of the Asiatic, Black, and Caucasian ethnicities
Ham is called the father of the African people. And Asians came from Japheth's line.
I agree with kenallen, most people have been taught something and when they read the actual story they say that it is the way they were taught not what is written. One interesting thing if you actually read it, the garden was made somewhere, Adam made from the earth and then placed in the garden, why not made in the garden, the garden is not on earth. Just hear me out. Adam lived there and named animals, there was a talking serpent, maybe other animals talked too, eve was not concerned about a talking serpent, it even says God made the serpent the most cunning of the field. Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden and guards were placed so no one could get in. If there was an entrance to the garden then there had to be a barrier around the rest of it, how did the animals get out if there was only one entrance, the animals he named were not from our earth. It also says that cain killed able and then found his wife. Seth was the third child and it says he had a child, there were only three kids from adam and eve so far. Was there already people on earth, maybe they were not called man so adam was the first man and the other "races" were called something else. I definitely see where he is coming from. I think if most people read the story with no preconceived idea they would see it like that.
It's called planet Earth.
Talking serpent huh? That is a preconceived idea. Communication does not have to be aloud.
The same way they got in.
Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters. No time line is given as to when Cain married.
Nowhere does the text say anything about Cain "finding a wife." Don't tell me you are one of
those people who assumes that since Cain's wife conceived in Nod, that she had to have been
there before Cain arrived. Or that Cain married her there. Those are very popular preconceived ideas!
You have a lot of preconceived ideas.
Hi Magenta,
You say , as I have heard several people comment that the serpent never talked to Eve, it was her thoughts or some others thoughts but if you read it , it says the serpent spoke to Eve and Eve spoke to the serpent the same way God spoke to Eve, how can someone reading that come to the conclusion that it was not spoken out loud, and also if the serpent spoke why don't serpents or animlas speak today, just wondering. If you just read it it's clear the animal spoke to her and it is also clear that Satan had nothing to do with tempting Eve, as it is taught by many for years that Satan cuased Eve to sin by tempting her.
In regards to Cain, it reads that he left after killing abel and lived in Nod and had a child with his wife, I didn't say she was from Nod but he got her between leaving and that time. Then it reads next chapter, Adam and Eve had Seth which was the replacement for Abel, if they had alot of other children why would it be noted that this one was the replacement for Abel if they had many other boys before this. As it reads they had three children up to this point, and Seth immediately has a child. If you read that story , no preconceived idea you would wonder where the wives came from.
It just gives some things to think about, there is so much proof today of people living over 25,000 years ago in what appears organized cities or structures. How do we as christians explain this if you say literally the earth is only 10 to 12,000 years old if we go by Genesis chronology. I get that as little as 100 years ago we did not have this info so a belief that the earth could be 10,000 years old would be believable, bu there is just too much real evidence of the earth being old and people around way before the bible says so. Do we just continue to say , God said it so it is true, or do we understand the bible with new information and realize there may be a different way of looking at it. You know in the 1400's christians believed that you could buy a pass that they could sin in the future and they would be forgiven, they were told it was in the bible so they believed it, we would laugh today saying how could they believe that, we have more information today and know that not to be true.
There are things in there that have not been discovered so we don't need to be closed minded to all ideas always, no one is trying to say the bible is null and void, I just read it and try to see it for what is there, no preconceived idea just the written word.
You say , as I have heard several people comment that the serpent never talked to Eve, it was her thoughts or some others thoughts but if you read it , it says the serpent spoke to Eve and Eve spoke to the serpent the same way God spoke to Eve, how can someone reading that come to the conclusion that it was not spoken out loud, and also if the serpent spoke why don't serpents or animlas speak today, just wondering. If you just read it it's clear the animal spoke to her and it is also clear that Satan had nothing to do with tempting Eve, as it is taught by many for years that Satan cuased Eve to sin by tempting her.
In regards to Cain, it reads that he left after killing abel and lived in Nod and had a child with his wife, I didn't say she was from Nod but he got her between leaving and that time. Then it reads next chapter, Adam and Eve had Seth which was the replacement for Abel, if they had alot of other children why would it be noted that this one was the replacement for Abel if they had many other boys before this. As it reads they had three children up to this point, and Seth immediately has a child. If you read that story , no preconceived idea you would wonder where the wives came from.
It just gives some things to think about, there is so much proof today of people living over 25,000 years ago in what appears organized cities or structures. How do we as christians explain this if you say literally the earth is only 10 to 12,000 years old if we go by Genesis chronology. I get that as little as 100 years ago we did not have this info so a belief that the earth could be 10,000 years old would be believable, bu there is just too much real evidence of the earth being old and people around way before the bible says so. Do we just continue to say , God said it so it is true, or do we understand the bible with new information and realize there may be a different way of looking at it. You know in the 1400's christians believed that you could buy a pass that they could sin in the future and they would be forgiven, they were told it was in the bible so they believed it, we would laugh today saying how could they believe that, we have more information today and know that not to be true.
There are things in there that have not been discovered so we don't need to be closed minded to all ideas always, no one is trying to say the bible is null and void, I just read it and try to see it for what is there, no preconceived idea just the written word.
You said I said something I did not. Are you incapable of giving up your preconceived ideas? It seems not.
What part of "communication does not have to be aloud" do you not understand?
I said NOTHING to the effect of: the serpent never talked to Eve.
For all your claims of desiring others think outside of the box, you seem incapable of it yourself.
Another preconceived idea: events are given in a sequential timeline.
I like how Magenta says I have preconceived ideas about what i am posting as I can say I have come up with my thoughts after reading the passages , on my own , not reading someone elses book or writings about their ideas and then repeating them. Most christians today are just repeating what they have heard or been taught. After being in the church for over 25 years I have realized to read the bible and come up with my own thoughts just from what I have read.
Just another Adam and Eve thought, in the first chapter God creates man and woman and tells them to be fruitful and multiply, God then makes "man" in the second chapter by himself, no one else, then makes woman for man, Eve could not have a baby in the garden, when she "sins" God curses her with the" pain of childbirth", I have heard teaching that she now has "pain" of childbirth as she did not have pain before but if you look at it she did not have children in the garden and could not. So if both creation stories are of the same story, why does God not tell them to be fruitful and multiply in the garden, he does not even tell them that when they are kicked out, he curses eve, not a blessing saying be fruitful and multiply.
Another thought reading the two chapters, in the first chapter , time is very precise and kept up with, as God is a God of order, interesting thing is when he makes Adam, in the garden do you notice there is no time specified during the garden, but when Adam leaves the garden we all of a sudden get a timeline of his lifespan and geneology. Is it because time in the garden was different than time on earth.
Also If the garden was on earth then where is it today,I have heard that, well, God put angels there and we just cannot see it, I do not see that as the way God seems to work this earthly world, but why is it hard to believe that the garden could exist somewhere else , like heaven exists somewhere else.
Just another Adam and Eve thought, in the first chapter God creates man and woman and tells them to be fruitful and multiply, God then makes "man" in the second chapter by himself, no one else, then makes woman for man, Eve could not have a baby in the garden, when she "sins" God curses her with the" pain of childbirth", I have heard teaching that she now has "pain" of childbirth as she did not have pain before but if you look at it she did not have children in the garden and could not. So if both creation stories are of the same story, why does God not tell them to be fruitful and multiply in the garden, he does not even tell them that when they are kicked out, he curses eve, not a blessing saying be fruitful and multiply.
Another thought reading the two chapters, in the first chapter , time is very precise and kept up with, as God is a God of order, interesting thing is when he makes Adam, in the garden do you notice there is no time specified during the garden, but when Adam leaves the garden we all of a sudden get a timeline of his lifespan and geneology. Is it because time in the garden was different than time on earth.
Also If the garden was on earth then where is it today,I have heard that, well, God put angels there and we just cannot see it, I do not see that as the way God seems to work this earthly world, but why is it hard to believe that the garden could exist somewhere else , like heaven exists somewhere else.
The world that existed back then was destroyed by the flood, that is why you can't find the Garden.
As for Eve, she could have had children before the Fall, but she just merely didn't. Granted man and woman really didn't choose to fall, they had to be tricked into it.
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Funny. You have repeated what others have said right here on this board.
Looks like another preconceived idea! Not to mention being a logical fallacy. It could even be patently false.
God does tell Adam and Eve while in the garden to be fruitful and multiply.
Genesis 1:28
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule
over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth.”
Genesis 1:28 is from the first creation story, nowhere in that story are adam and eve mentioned any where, they do not get mentioned until the 2nd chapter, That is what the original author of this post was referring too. So I do believe that God never spoke to adam and eve and told them to multiply, all conversation with adam and eve was in the 2nd chapter.
The title for this thread is about adam and eve not being the first people on earth, that is what I believe he is eluding to, that God made man and woman in the first chapter and they were not adam and eve.
The title for this thread is about adam and eve not being the first people on earth, that is what I believe he is eluding to, that God made man and woman in the first chapter and they were not adam and eve.
Where does the text say (or even imply) that Eve could not have children while in the garden of Eden?
How do you get "God curses her with the 'pain of childbirth'"?
Where does the text say that God "cursed" Eve at all? Read the text carefully.
That's possible, but there is nothing in the text that suggests a change in how time operates or affects the rest of the physical creation. Further, time is just as specific outside of Eden, though we don't see that in Genesis 2, it is clear from many passages elsewhere in Scripture.
Genesis chapters 6-9 speak to that. The entire surface of Earth was destroyed by the flood.
I thought it was widely accepted that Noah's three sons were the forefathers of the Asiatic, Black, and Caucasian ethnicities
Ham is called the father of the African people. And Asians came from Japheth's line.
Europeans come from the line of Japheth. Asiatics come from the line of Shem.
@Thread Title: Yes, they were. That's where original sin, and death itself, comes from. "Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned." (Rom 5:12, DRB). God Bless.
did anyone address the different accounts for the creation. God made plants then animals then man and woman on the 6th day in the first chapter, in the second he makes man in one place then puts him in the garden then makes the animals and brings them to him then makes woman. The timeline is different in both chapters, I have heard some say they are two accounts of the same thing but it is clearly done differently, I do not see how you could read that and think it is the same story as they happen differently.
In the Genesis 2 account, verse 4 says, "This is the account of the heavens and earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made them." This is interesting considering it follows Genesis 1's 6 day account and begins the chapter with the seventh day rest. My initial thought when reviewing these two chapters was that the creation of 'man' wasn't complete at the forming of Adam, and he is only a part of 'God's image,' see: 'let us make man in Our image,' and "male and female created He them.'
Notice v. 5: "no shrub had yet appeared nor any plant sprouted..." and even so, seed-bearing plants were created in the third day.
Sea creature and birds were created on the fifth day and beasts of the earth, livestock, and land crawlers were created on the sixth day, along with man.
It's possible that Genesis 1 is a narrative of the grouping that Genesis2's preciseness makes more difficult to categorize, if 'man's' creation indeed cannot be counted as 'finished' (and therefore 'good', or 'very good') until Eve's formation, even though all the other creatures are created and brought to Adam before that.
there is a big problem with your opinion. and it is in Genesis chapter one:Verse 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness
This verse tells us God was and is always and HE took what was without and spoke man & women into existence. The very name Given to Eve speaks against your understanding. The Gap theory is just that.
so you are saying Genesis 1:26 is about someone other than Adam and Genesis 2:7 is about Adam?
what are your thoughts about Genesis 4:1 when Eve said, “I produced a man with ADONAI”? do you think Eve was producing daughters before this and when she finally had a son she made such an expression?
There weren't 2 creations.
Genesis 1 to Genesis 2:3 is a synopsis of Creation. You'll note that Genesis 2:4 starts with this:
4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
Moses then goes on to give more detail of God's most important aspect of Creation. Human Beings.