The Hostility Between Men & Women

[HealthAndHappiness]

Just went back and read page 2.
Trying to figure out how a marriage ended up on a thread about hostility? 🤔
Congratulations!
🥳🎊🎈

 

[Dino246]

Follow-up question:

Is there a thread somewhere detailing the events of this joyous occasion?

The venue, the attendees, the fare, the bride wore... ? Any pics?

No... though I may nudge her to submit such info.

 

[SonsOfCaleb]

Interesting also that uncircumcision in the bible is used as a description for pride and being stiff-necked. Moses wasn't able to rectify this himself and would have been killed, but God had pre-ordained someone to do it for him - his wife. Acting out the role of life-saver that God had ordained in the beginning for women - to be life-savers of men (their husbands), rather than life-takers/controllers?

Well said.

On life-savers, certainly women are designed to be life-givers. But for their man, they're meant to be something like 'life-maintainers'. They pump peace, encouragement, love, and support into their man and act as his primary intercessor before God (this was what Moses's wife Zipporah did-- ie. interceded for Moses in the matter of circumcision when she saved Moses's life) which is what God created and designed the wife/woman/helper to be: the watcher of her man's back (as you said, "life-savers") in so few words.

 

[SonsOfCaleb]

Funny. This same idea is taught all over the place, including schools. And it outrages many people, especially Christians, except it's about race, not gender. It's Critical Race Theory. Funny that when it's Critical Gender Theory it's suddenly an acceptable idea.

So much generalizing and people speaking for groups they aren't even a part of.

God makes generalizations, and both John the Baptist and Jesus generalized about Israel's religious leaders, but neither was one of those religious leaders.

I can confidently say there is an invisible Wall of Enmity/Hostility (the better word is enmity) between males and females which was there at conception and is a curse that comes all the way from our first Parents. The Wall sometimes manifests differently in men vs. women. The Wall's main purpose is to drive a wedge between men and women; because women are more relationally-minded than men are, it's easier to see the Wall (at least for me) when it's working in them because they naturally pursue romantic relationships far more than men.

Example, when a guy complains to his guy friends about a girl who isn't reciprocating, the Wall is usually not at the root of his complaint; however, if a girl is complaining to her girlfriends about some guy, it's hard for the Wall not to be around. The Wall is about hostility, enmity, animosity, resentment, and distrust towards the opposite gender and only the opposite gender. It causes a lot of finger-pointing with the implication that the side pointing the finger is either right or is at least justified while the other side deserves some type of punishment or reprimand.

I don't know about Common Core Math, Critical Race Theory, and all these other things that sound like fabricated ideas. I do know enough to not throw the baby out with the water and think that because something has bad origins or is in fact bad then I'm going to throw it out wholesale. Much to everyone's chagrin, God hasn't thrown lucifer out as evil as lucifer is. There are many things lucifer is willing to do (ie. evil) that God will not do. Sometimes when such times comes, God withdraws and lets lucifer do his thing. If God can work with that, how can we reasonably suppose that we can just chuck every and any thing out the windows and into trashcans just because those things offend us? The Wall is real (not to be confused with 'the wall' that women are said to hit when they turn thirty years old and their biological clocks begin ticking louder and faster).

 

[Magenta]

So much misogyny, so little time...

 

[SimpleSheep]

So much misogyny, so little time...

Right? There wasn’t a wall there but after reading this thread the wall is on the way up!

 

[Lynx]

So much misogyny, so little time...

Right? There wasn’t a wall there but after reading this thread the wall is on the way up!

Oh come on girls, give him a chance! There might be a kind, considerate guy under all that egoism and superiority complex...

Nope, couldn't keep a straight face. Oh well. Maybe next time I'll do better.

 

[melita916]

… wat.

I’m glad we are advised to keep our eyes on Jesus.

 

[17Bees]

Funny. This same idea is taught all over the place, including schools. And it outrages many people, especially Christians, except it's about race, not gender. It's Critical Race Theory. Funny that when it's Critical Gender Theory it's suddenly an acceptable idea.

So much generalizing and people speaking for groups they aren't even a part of.

You're exactly right about this. I think CRT, gender separations, BLM - even this thread - are almost always some form of mysticism. It's buying in to an idea that almost everyone can relate to either as a victim or as a guilty participant. Honest to God, Subhumanoidal, you have more Christian discretion than most anyone I know. You can spot mysticism a mile away. I think you understand the ploy of Mystics selling the notion that a union with Deity or even a reality can be attained through contemplation or subjective experience whether you've thought about it or experienced it all. They would have you believe that you can't possibly attain Divine knowledge with mere human intellect, so you need their inspiration. - and you nab them almost every time and I'm glad you do.

 

[Lanolin]

One of the fascinating things about the Bible is its ability to 'change and move'. Ie. when the Spirit breathes on the words, they come alive, and a verse or passage that originally applied to one thing many years ago can suddenly apply to a contemporary situation. Ephesians 2:14-16 is one of many of such passages. It says:

"[Jesus] Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility."

Paul, in the context above, was talking about the invisible but middle wall of hostility between Jews and Gentiles, making it so that though they could coexist with each other, there was always a resentment and distrust brewing beneath the surface between them. However, that same passage also could rightly be applied to the invisible but middle wall of hostility between men and women.

Today, many men are scratching their heads when they interact with or observe some 'modern women' and the seemingly non-stop misandry or man-hating and feminism that comes from a lot of modern women. In college, where I learned nothing at all, unfortunately, and any time the topic comes up, men want to know how women think, and women want to know how men think. After trying to explain each side to the other in college but no one could understand what I was saying, it slowly began to dawn on me that there was 'a wall' between the sexes that prevents them from understanding each other. Furthermore, that wall makes them naturally (though latently) hostile or disagreeable toward each other.

I do see a lot of hostility between the sexes, sometimes overt hostility and other times covert or subtle. I figure that "nothing comes from nothing" and that if you resent or distrust someone who has not even wronged you, then it must come from something. I believe it began at the time of the Fall in Eden. At that time, many changes occurred one of which was this invisible but real wall of hostility that makes men and women innately and latently resentful and distrustful of each other. This thing, hiding way beneath, then is free to surface and begin causing problems in heterosexual relationships and marriages. Has anyone else noticed this?

no I have been competely oblivious all this time.

you dont say?!

 

[Lanolin]

I looked in my parents bedroom. There is just one bed and no wall between them.
hmm

But if it was an INVISIBLE wall? I will have to do some investigating and get back to you.

 

[melita916]

We don’t have a wall between us in our bedroom either.

 

[SonsOfCaleb]

Right? There wasn’t a wall there but after reading this thread the wall is on the way up!

Oh there's a Wall alright. And judging from especially what we're seeing today between the sexes, the Wall should be taken seriously, especially by christians. I can point out more evidence of this Wall to you. The Wall is so real and present that it's almost impossible to not see it. People complain about it all the time, especially men. They just don't know what it is they are wrestling with nor do they know what to call it.

I'll use my experience in a New York church in 2006 as an example of how people are subconsciously fully aware of the Wall but just don't know what it is and therefore can't grasp it, address it, or deal with it. This might not matter to you now, but someday it will, so you might to file it away in the archives or set it on the backburner:

In July 2006, on my first visit to a Rochester, NY church, my spirit picked up that two couples (four people) were not in fact christians. There are many types of christians (eg. sincere, insincere, godly, backslidden, worldly, righteous, etc.); these four people were not any version of christian. My spirit picked this up; but I was able to consciously realize what my spirit was picking up. Paul said:

"Let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding" (1Corinthians 14:13-15).

So, quickly, among your body, soul, and spirit, your spirit isn't only the 'farthest in/down' but also is the most intelligent part of a human (because a human can't communicate with or understand God or spiritual things without his/her own spirit since God and spiritual things are far too advanced for the body or soul to understand them). Your spirit is the first part of you to know, recognize, and understand things that are invisible and immaterial and is the part of you that sees others' spirits (ie. the way others really are deep down inside). Your understanding in the above passage is your conscious mind, the place where you yourself are consciously aware of something. There are many things our spirits see, know, pick up each day that consciously do not (in our understanding). But the closer your understanding is to your spirit, the more often you will consciously pick up invisible and immaterial realities that your spirit is already picking up on. When someone prays in tongues, their spirit already knows what they're saying while their understanding doesn't. But they can ask God to attune their understanding to interpret the tongues (or to know what their spirit knows).

The four satanist plants were assigned to the church to slowly but surely spiritually suffocate all spiritual life in it (like a python does)l they had been carrying out rituals and satanic ritual abuse of people in the church. After these satanist plants were uncovered, they reached out to some friends in Germany-- a married couple who then reached out to the church pastor and his wife. They then came all the way from Germany , saying they came to learn to minister to survivors of satanic ritual abuse and offering the pastors money and paid trips to their home in Germany. God uncovered them to me, and I told the pastors like I did the first time. However, whereas the first time the pastors took my advice and prayed with their prayer team to see if those people were in fact satanists (and God showed them it was all true), the second time with the German couples, the pastor's wife decided not to pray with the prayer team. She wanted the fame and prestige the Germans promised her, so she tried to trick God.

She was in her 60s at the time-- about 65 years old-- and God had never spoken to her in dreams or visions. So she told God, "If these Germans really aren't ministers but satanists, then give me a dream." Thinking she'd fooled God, she went to bed (probably with a grin on her face). But Job 5:13 and 1Cor. 3:19 say, "God catches the wise in their craftiness." He gave her a dream for the first time in her life in which she and the pastor were in Germany at the Germans' house. As they ate dinner, the Germans' dog ate 2/3 of her real life journal in which she used to write down what God spoke to her (that was how God spoke to her, but not in dreams and visions). She woke and tried to trick God again, telling Him that if the dream was from Him, then He should give her a Bible passage to confirm it. She didn't think any Bible passage could be reasonably construed to say that satanists in her church reached out to the German couple who then came all the way from Germany to deceive and curse her church. She was wrong. God gave her this passage:

Balak, the king of Moab, has brought me from Aram (Syria), from the mountains of the east, [saying,] ‘Come, curse [the descendants of] Jacob for me; and come, [violently] denounce Israel" (Numbers 23:7, AMP).

(It was interesting when I looked up Germany's location on the map and realized that it's a very mountainous environment.) The pastor's wife couldn't believe it and was so amazed that she told me all of this. And when she (ie. church leadership) acknowledged that the Germans were satanists posing as ministers, then other people in the church were 'released' to come forward. One of them said the Germans had spoken curses over her while she was sleeping over in their cottage (they visited Rochester for a whole month) because they thought she was fully asleep. She would not have spoken up if leadership had not spoken out (that's because when leaders do God's will, then others are 'loosed' (released to be honest, etc.)-- but if leaders neglect God's will, then others are 'bound'). But God wanted to show the pastor's wife in that dream that He had already spoken to her about the Germans being satanist plants but that she didn't want to hear it, therefore the Germans' dog in the dream ate it just like Jesus said that when His words fall on hard soil (ie. a hardened heart that doesn't want to listen or obey), then birds (the enemy) come and snatch the words away. The pastors' spirits (and I'm sure others in the church for sure) already knew that all seven of the satanist plants exposed in that church were indeed satanists. Their spirits knew, but they didn't have a love for the truth (ie. the pastor and his wife) or were discouraged from recognizing and living in the truth (ie the church congregation), therefore, their conscious minds (ie. their understanding) didn't know.

That was long but it was all to make the point about what our spirits know (or God speaks into our spirits) but that we're not consciously aware of: christian or non, God gave everyone a spirit which is the part of you that sees, recognizes, and picks up on things that are unseen and unvoiced/unheard. Our spirits are fully aware that there is a Wall of Hostility/Enmity between men and women. (Even babies, knowing nothing and not being taught or learned in anything, still have spirits that see, recognize, and picks up on what love is and what hate is and are aware of when there is obvious but unspoken disagreement between their parents. Babies pick up on the moods of their moms in the womb and the moods of others near or around their mom.) The issue is that we live in our understanding (ie. in a conscious, visible, tangible world) and therefore are so far out of touch with our spirits that we don't know what our spirits already know. We are not consciously cognizant of what our spirits already know because we live in our own understanding while our spirits see, hear, and understand the real facts. Thankfully, with the advent and growth of more and more feminist and man-hating propaganda and rhetoric, the Wall of Enmity is going to come more and more clearly into view until people can now consciously see it revealed in all its glory.

 

[SonsOfCaleb]

We don’t have a wall between us in our bedroom either.

Here's some easy 'Wall Mathematics':

1. Sin entered in the Garden, giving mankind a new nature-- ie. the fallen or carnal nature.

2. The carnal nature demands and requires that each individual should/will be self-centered and live life for self (first clearly observed in Cain).

3. Since a.) men and women were designed with different interests but b.) also desire each other, and b.) the carnal nature predetermines that each party will naturally live first and foremost for self, this would cause a natural enmity to creep in (even if it hadn't automatically entered at the Fall) which would pit these two self-centered individuals directly against each other in a way that no other individuals or groups could be pitted against each other.

God is no slouch; knowing that humans are not bright and on top of that are always seeking a way out of responsibility, God helps us with this issue right there in the Bible at the time of the Fall. (Note that the Bible talks a lot about NPD (narcissistic personality disorder)-- many people like King Nebuchadnezzar, the Pharaoh who wouldn't let Israel go, and Jezebel had that 'disorder'-- but the Bible doesn't call it by the names we now use. Now, read on.) God Himself talks about the Wall that was raised between men and women because of the Fall, and He only talked about it when relating to Eve. This is why the Wall, thought between men and women, is most clearly observed in women. Read:

To the woman [God] said, “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you" (Genesis 3:16).

If that doesn't sound so bad, all you have to do is remember that this was a curse. God wasn't blessing the woman but cursing her. For Adam, God cursed the place where men would spend most of their time (ie. working): the land. For Eve, God curses the place where women would spend most of their time: romantic relationships. Here's someone else to give a deeper lesson about the Wall of Hostility between men and women (not called that though):

As God pronounces judgment on Eve for her part of the transgression in Eden, He says, “Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you” (Genesis 3:16). This verse causes some puzzlement. It would seem that a woman desiring her husband would be a good thing, and not a curse... The most basic and straightforward understanding of this verse is that woman and man would now have ongoing conflict. In contrast to the ideal conditions in the Garden of Eden and the harmony between Adam and Eve, their relationship, from that point on, would include a power struggle. The NLT translation makes it more evident: “You will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you.”
https://www.gotquestions.org/desire-husband-rule.html

So yes, there is a Wall between you and your husband which no one is exempt from because not only was it inaugurated by the Fall, which we're all under, but God Himself spoke it out so that no one is with an exemption. I rarely use religious words (or stuff straight from the Bible) when I talk to christians because I want to encourage christians to think as christians don't think. I talked about the Wall at length before simply saying, "Look. It's right here in the Bible." It's fascinating to me (which doesn't mean I don't understand it) that you can tell a christian the truth and as long as you don't use words they're accustomed to, they are ready to disbelieve, deny, and reject the truth.

Sanctification and purposely addressing the Wall is the best idea for christians who want to be in a heterosexual loving and loyal relationship that lasts. Otherwise, it will lurk and cause problems every single day. Why do you think in the U.S. women file 75% of all divorces and college-educataed women file 90% of all divorces? Why does it rise with college-educated women? Because the Wall is all about enmity, hostility, contention, and competition with/against men. In the place of the Wall, men are useless because they are human and not gods (ie. men are not perfect or the apex of Creation), but fallen angels are worthy of women's worship and submission (because they are male but have all the things that women are attracted to in men in absolute spades far more than men): this was a problem in the past and I believe both men and women are being prepared for it again before the end. Men who listen and watch closely can start picking up on these things. As it is now, even men who recognize a very real problem are in the dark and don't know what is going on. I've been consciously able to recognize the Wall since 1998. I didn't know what to call it but no expert law group of attorneys could debate me in court that it didn't exist. The evidence is as vast as all the oceans put together. I hope you and your husband can explore this together.

 

[SonsOfCaleb]

You're exactly right about this. I think CRT, gender separations, BLM - even this thread - are almost always some form of mysticism. It's buying in to an idea that almost everyone can relate to either as a victim or as a guilty participant. Honest to God, Subhumanoidal, you have more Christian discretion than most anyone I know. You can spot mysticism a mile away. I think you understand the ploy of Mystics selling the notion that a union with Deity or even a reality can be attained through contemplation or subjective experience whether you've thought about it or experienced it all. They would have you believe that you can't possibly attain Divine knowledge with mere human intellect, so you need their inspiration. - and you nab them almost every time and I'm glad you do.

17Bees, neither you nor Subhumanoidal have any 'nabbing abilities'. Judging by what you said, your discernment is shot, like a pipe that's totally clogged.

Tell me how you managed to nab that what I shared here is mysticism. And tell me what spirit told you, since you're discerning, that this is a ploy to build another crazy cult? I think we have more than enough of those.

How exactly do you define mysticism? And what did you read here that's mystical? Last time I checked, people who are mystical or hyper-spirutual are passive, lazy, self-centered, and indifferent. Looking at many of David's psalms, he sure seems mystical. We know he was a man of action, so he couldn't have also been mystical. And then there are the OT prophets. I wonder why their mysticism can't be discredited just because they're in the Bible. Doesn't fit with the mystic narrative.

So, a.) tell me what about this thread is mystical (ie. 'irrelevant/obsolete' which is your interpretation of that word) and b.) tell me something that isn't mystical and that is instead better to spend time discussing.

 

[SonsOfCaleb]

Just went back and read page 2.
Trying to figure out how a marriage ended up on a thread about hostility? 🤔
Congratulations!
🥳🎊🎈

Because the Wall of Hostility is an invisible divide between all men and all women, as God stated in Genesis 3, and so unless it's discovered and addressed, it will definitely cause problems, big and small, in any and all heterosexual relationships and marriages.

 

[SonsOfCaleb]

no I have been competely oblivious all this time.

you dont say?!

It's not about knowing (and doing nothing). It's about doing what you know to do so God can give you even more knowledge, then you can keep doing, then He'll give you more understanding, then you can keep doing, then He'll give you more wisdom. Rinse and repeat until you exhale one last time, lie toes up, and sit up on the other side. Over there, the knowing and the doing aren't hard (if over there is 'the good place' that is). Down here, the knowing and the doing aren't easy.

 

[Lynx]

17Bees, neither you nor Subhumanoidal have any 'nabbing abilities'. Judging by what you said, your discernment is shot, like a pipe that's totally clogged.

Apparently you have no idea at all who you're talking to. Both those dudes are quite perceptive - much moreso than you.

You keep mentioning those satanists you ferreted out of a church over and over and over, like it's your shining achievement. You must be very proud.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Because the Wall of Hostility is an invisible divide between all men and all women, as God stated in Genesis 3, and so unless it's discovered and addressed, it will definitely cause problems, big and small, in any and all heterosexual relationships and marriages.

Since the 1960s the divorce rate shows the fruit of what has been neglected, probably avoided, from the majority of pulpits. Broken families are the norm now. Lot's of changes occurred and too many pastors did not address those cultural sins, strengthening the people with the Word.
I'm sure that your point isn't the only problem, but I agree that it is a big one.

I hope the best for this new couple, that they have a good church too.

 

[Lanolin]

It's not about knowing (and doing nothing). It's about doing what you know to do so God can give you even more knowledge, then you can keep doing, then He'll give you more understanding, then you can keep doing, then He'll give you more wisdom. Rinse and repeat until you exhale one last time, lie toes up, and sit up on the other side. Over there, the knowing and the doing aren't hard (if over there is 'the good place' that is). Down here, the knowing and the doing aren't easy.

what exactly is it that you doing again? sorry not following

Sounds like you are washing your hair or doing the dishes.