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And what is this damning application of eternal security?
 
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Your right it doesnt say you have to live a life of good works to obtain eternal life. It says we must continue to believe/trust/ put our faith in Jesus until the very end of our lives to obtain eternal life. In Philippians 3 Paul tells us he has not yet obtained eternal life/resurrection of the just. If OSAS were true he would have obtain eternal life the very second he got saved
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i just read philippians 3 in context and its says he hasn't reached perfection not eternal life.
 
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God's commandment is life eternal. Those who make a covenant with death will be called back from the dust when the thrones are set up. It's all in the book. I have a long way to go to perfection, but I know Jesus Christ is my Lord and God and Savior. God help (I mean this) all who do not yet know this. I shudder to think of those who reject Jesus Christ.
 
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needmesomejesus said:
i just read philippians 3 in context and its says he hasn't reached perfection not eternal life.
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No, read again, what he hadnt obtain was the resurrection of the dead/just. The Resurrection is where, and when we receive eternal life
 
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we ALL sin daily: we DO NOT love the Lord Our God with all our hearts minds and souls...we do NOT love our neighbours as ourselves...we DO sin, and we sin daily. those TWO great commands are the summary of the Law and we are no more able to fulfill those according to God's standards (seamlessly for life) now than before we were saved.

anybody who doesn't admit that is a big fat phony, imo. Amen zone.
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Any Christian that says they are still sinners is either not truly saved or mis-guided. Anyone, Christian or not, that tells other believers that they are still sinners is the mouth piece of Satan.
 
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Any Christian that says they are still sinners is either not truly saved or mis-guided. Anyone, Christian or not, that tells other believers that they are still sinners is the mouth piece of Satan.
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we are all still sinners. if we sin we are sinners. if you don't ever sin please give me your secret.
 
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No, read again, what he hadnt obtain was the resurrection of the dead/just. The Resurrection is where, and when we receive eternal life
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I believe thats during the rapture. when all who are believers who were dead resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52; Matthew 22:29-30; john 6:40;
 
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needmesomejesus said:
we are all still sinners. if we sin we are sinners. if you don't ever sin please give me your secret.
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If you call yourself a sinner then you are either truly a sinner, or you simply have been taught incorrectly, or do not understand the liberty of Christ. However as I stated if you are calling other believers sinners then you are the mouth piece of Satan accusing the brethren
 
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If you call yourself a sinner then you are either truly a sinner, or you simply have been taught incorrectly, or do not understand the liberty of Christ. However as I stated if you are calling other believers sinners then you are the mouth piece of Satan accusing the brethren
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WE have all sinned. If you sin and are not a sinner what are you? I am not a mouth piece of Satan just because you don't agree with me. Be careful slinging accusations. What a dangerous place to be to think that you are right about something that is not clear in the Bible. WE could all be wrong for all we know.:)
 
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needmesomejesus said:
WE have all sinned. If you sin and are not a sinner what are you? I am not a mouth piece of Satan just because you don't agree with me. Be careful slinging accusations. What a dangerous place to be to think that you are right about something that is not clear in the Bible. WE could all be wrong for all we know.:)
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We have all sinned that is why we needed salvation. However once you have been freed from your you are no longer a sinner, and only satan would want you believe that you are. You or anyone else are not the mouth piece of Satan for disagreeing with me. Those that accuse true believers of Christ are mouth pieces of Satan because Satan is using their mouth to accuse the brethren
 
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We have all sinned that is why we needed salvation. However once you have been freed from your you are no longer a sinner, and only satan would want you believe that you are. You or anyone else are not the mouth piece of Satan for disagreeing with me. Those that accuse true believers of Christ are mouth pieces of Satan because Satan is using their mouth to accuse the brethren
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I'm not accusing anyone. I'm just stating a fact we all sin everyday so we are still sinners.
 
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needmesomejesus said:
I'm not accusing anyone. I'm just stating a fact we all sin everyday so we are still sinners.
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I do not sin everyday, and I am not a sinner. Only Satan wants believer to think of themselves as sinners. God tells us we are the righteousness of God in Christ. Who will you believe God or Satan?
 
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I do not sin everyday, and I am not a sinner. Only Satan wants believer to think of themselves as sinners. God tells us we are the righteousness of God in Christ. Who will you believe God or Satan?
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oh wow you don't sin everyday. I'm impressed sorry, but i do.
 
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I do not sin everyday, and I am not a sinner. Only Satan wants believer to think of themselves as sinners. God tells us we are the righteousness of God in Christ. Who will you believe God or Satan?
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Rom 8 : 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is alive because of righteousness

We are sinners. Saved by Grace. Pharisees thought they were righteous. We see what they did. They hate the truth, because they think they do not need truth. they are above the law. above God himself. And by Golly God better let them in because all they have sacrificed. "Thank God I am not like the sinner"

I will be like God want me to be. On my knees, ripping my shirt off in tears. Thanking God for saving a sinner such as myself!
 
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4runner said:
I agree, and that shows we can fall, thereby making the teaching of eternal security or OSAS false
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Well your reading more into it than I can see. I see fall, aparently to you fall means more than fall.


opps i just got up, forget that till i wake :)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Rom 8 : 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is alive because of righteousness

We are sinners. Saved by Grace. Pharisees thought they were righteous. We see what they did. They hate the truth, because they think they do not need truth. they are above the law. above God himself. And by Golly God better let them in because all they have sacrificed. "Thank God I am not like the sinner"

I will be like God want me to be. On my knees, ripping my shirt off in tears. Thanking God for saving a sinner such as myself!
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How about thanking Him for freeing you and start obeying Him??????????
 
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Continuing in sin falsely believing that you are eternally secure
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Those who are true Christians won't continually sinning on purpose, but things like addictions and all its hard to break. It's your heart that matters. Whether you're sinning because you feel like you can do whatever or if you're sinning isn't intentional.
 
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needmesomejesus said:
Those who are true Christians won't continually sinning on purpose, but things like addictions and all its hard to break. It's your heart that matters. Whether you're sinning because you feel like you can do whatever or if you're sinning isn't intentional.
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Like you said, true Christians aren't sinners, but OSAS causes false believers to feel secure
 
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Like you said, true Christians aren't sinners, but OSAS causes false believers to feel secure
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oh yes.
you're saved by your righteous obedience and sinlessness.
like i said: you probably don't need a crucified and risen Lord then.

just keep pulling yourself up by your bootstraps - you might make it (not).
 
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