Does The Book of Revelation Frighten You/

[oyster67]

What context are you talking about?

When we are speaking about context, we are usually referring to the surrounding verses as well as the local situation. Context is not something arbitrarily assigned depending on our own whim.

A literal tree or not?

A tree is a tree. What were you imagining it be? (I hope I don't regret asking .)

Eve was created from the side of Adam, the body of Adam.

She was created from his rib (and yes, a rib is a rib.) ___Believe it... or not.

The church was also formed from the crucified body of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The context of all the scripture is always Jesus Christ and the church.

Your theological acumen is impressive indeed.

Did the true light shine in the darkness or not?

Shur did, and it still does. Do you comprehend it?

Of course, I disagree strongly.

That's a real crying shame.

The law was instituted to provide the Jews with the knowledge of their sinfulness.

It was given to provide all sinners with the knowledge of their sinfulness in the overall scheme of things.

the law was not given for you to fulfill.

Amen. If was fulfilled by the precious blood of Jesus.

Intuitive deduction?

Everything is from the Lord, but I am well aware of the role that the Spirit plays in understanding all these things.

The scripture must be read and understood purely as an allegory,

Have fun with your own interpretations then.

Been a pleasure conversing with you.

 

[Inquisitor]

While the Scriptures are a revelation of Christ, they must not be understood purely as allegorical. That would defeat the purpose of the Bible. This does not mean that there are no further depths of meaning. The OT is full of types and shadows of Christ and His finished work of redemption. The Bible is both a historical and spiritual record. Were the trees in the garden literal trees? Absolutely.

Not the trees in the garden, the tree of eternal life in the center of the Garden of Eden.

The purpose of the scripture is Jesus Christ and the Church. The Old Testament was the shadow in it's entirety of that absolute fulfillment in the New Testament.

The nation of Israel was a blueprint of the Church.

Two very different covenants, ultimately two very different brides.

The purpose of the scripture is Jesus Christ.

John 5:39
You examine the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is those very Scriptures that testify about Me.

 

[Inquisitor]

When we are speaking about context, we are usually referring to the surrounding verses as well as the local situation. Context is not something arbitrarily assigned depending on our own whim.



A tree is a tree. What were you imagining it be? (I hope I don't regret asking .)



She was created from his rib (and yes, a rib is a rib.) ___Believe it... or not.



Your theological acumen is impressive indeed.



Shur did, and it still does. Do you comprehend it?



That's a real crying shame.



It was given to provide all sinners with the knowledge of their sinfulness in the overall scheme of things.



Amen. If was fulfilled by the precious blood of Jesus.



Everything is from the Lord, but I am well aware of the role that the Spirit plays in understanding all these things.



Have fun with your own interpretations then.

Been a pleasure conversing with you.

You sound like a Reformer, a strict literal interpretation.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Not the trees in the garden, the tree of eternal life in the center of the Garden of Eden.

There is nothing in the narrative to suggest that the tree of life in the garden was not literal. Indeed the book of Revelation confirms that it is literal.

 

[Diakonos]

You sound like a Reformer, a strict literal interpretation.

On the contrary, the Reformers allegorize the entire Millennium (roughly 15% of all human history).

 

[Cameron143]

A friend recently told me that the book of Revelation frightened her. I am so in love with God (Allah to some Christians) that I feel I have righteous fear of God. The punishment I receive I will have earned. I spent many years in a denomination where shouty pastors did their best to put terror of God in our hearts. I don't think that was his intention.

No need to fear. Jesus would tell you fear not. New things are just old things we haven't spent much time with yet.
Also, the key to understanding the language of the book of revelation is to see and understand how God used the same language in the Old Testament.

 

[Rondonmon]

The 144'000 Israelites are marked by God to preach the gospel all over the world to the unbelievers so they can choose to be saved ----

-there are 2 Witnesses also who Preach the Gospel as well ----Many believe this is Elijah and Moses as they appeared on the Mountain during Jesus transfiguration

Hello brother, I am a pre trib guy also (of course............wink wink) and I also see Elijah and Moses as the two-witnesses. But as per the 144,000, I see this everywhere, heard it fir 37 years, shook my head in agreement for 30 years, but nowhere does the bible sat the "144,000" are super preachers/evangelists, I think it just became a passed down factoid (men's tradition) and people just started repeating it. The 144,000 are indeed mysterious, until we understand its just a code for "All Israel who Repent" and not 144,000 actual Jews.

God uses numbers, the Old Testament had 4000 Hebrew words and no vowels, so 10 means completion, 12 means fulness, 6 = man, 8 = New Beginnings, 7 = Divine Completion etc. So, God gives us three different numbers of end time Jews (Israelis) who get saved, he says He has saved himself 7000 men, He says there will be 144,000 and He says in Zechariah 13:8-9 that 1/3 of all the Jews will repent and call Him God again and He will call them his sons, and that the 2/3 will be cut-off (die) then in the very next verse (Zech. 14:1) we see the Day of the Lord arrives, Jerusalem falls. So, seeing as there are 15 million Jews worldwide, how can 7000 and 144,000 also be true? Both are codes.

A.) 7 (Divine Completion) x 10 (Completion) x 10 x 10 = 7000 or All Israel wo repent.

B.) 12 (Fulness) x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = All Israel who repent.

C.) We know that 1/3 of 15 million is 5 million Jews who repent or All Israel who repent.

We see other places where God uses these numbers over and over in like manner. The 10 "Virgin Female Brides" are not virgin (in general) nor female, they stand for the "Complete Church" or 2 billion Christians, of which 5 will not make the Pre Trib Rapture, so we have 1 billion fake Christians who may be a part of the Martyrs during the 70th week.

We can see the 7 Heads and 10 Horns, Rived Rome (E.U.) will not be 10 kings/nations, it will be 25-30, the complete number thereof. In Rev. 2:10 Smyrna was going to have tribulation fir 10 days, well that meant fir the whole complete Church Age, not 10 days, the 10 Commandments are a stand in for all of God's Laws.

Basically, the 144,000 need protection, it says that in Rev. 7, from the Judgments (four winds) that are about to hit earth, so Gid says HOLD UP the winds, until the 144,000 (5 million Jews) have been sealed in the head (called unto Repentance by the Two-witnesses). Then the Angel is told to hurt not the Earth, Sea, nor Trees until the 144,000 (Jews who flee Juda when they see the AoD) are sealed and in safe harbor (have reached the Petra/Bozrah safe zone). Well, what hurts the Earth, Sea and Trees? The Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact (DOTL). So, we see them fleeing Judea, then comes the DOTL. Just as Zechariah 13:8-9 and Zech. 14:1 shows us, repentance comes just before the DOTL arrives. And as we know in Malachi 4:5 we see Elijah is sent back BEFORE the great and dreadful day of the Lord.

God Himself wrote this book, its a giant code book.

The 144,000 not being understood is a mission of mine, LOL.

 

[peldom10]

Hello brother, I am a pre trib guy also (of course............wink wink) and I also see Elijah and Moses as the two-witnesses. But as per the 144,000, I see this everywhere, heard it fir 37 years, shook my head in agreement for 30 years, but nowhere does the bible sat the "144,000" are super preachers/evangelists, I think it just became a passed down factoid (men's tradition) and people just started repeating it. The 144,000 are indeed mysterious, until we understand its just a code for "All Israel who Repent" and not 144,000 actual Jews.

God uses numbers, the Old Testament had 4000 Hebrew words and no vowels, so 10 means completion, 12 means fulness, 6 = man, 8 = New Beginnings, 7 = Divine Completion etc. So, God gives us three different numbers of end time Jews (Israelis) who get saved, he says He has saved himself 7000 men, He says there will be 144,000 and He says in Zechariah 13:8-9 that 1/3 of all the Jews will repent and call Him God again and He will call them his sons, and that the 2/3 will be cut-off (die) then in the very next verse (Zech. 14:1) we see the Day of the Lord arrives, Jerusalem falls. So, seeing as there are 15 million Jews worldwide, how can 7000 and 144,000 also be true? Both are codes.

A.) 7 (Divine Completion) x 10 (Completion) x 10 x 10 = 7000 or All Israel wo repent.

B.) 12 (Fulness) x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = All Israel who repent.

C.) We know that 1/3 of 15 million is 5 million Jews who repent or All Israel who repent.

We see other places where God uses these numbers over and over in like manner. The 10 "Virgin Female Brides" are not virgin (in general) nor female, they stand for the "Complete Church" or 2 billion Christians, of which 5 will not make the Pre Trib Rapture, so we have 1 billion fake Christians who may be a part of the Martyrs during the 70th week.

We can see the 7 Heads and 10 Horns, Rived Rome (E.U.) will not be 10 kings/nations, it will be 25-30, the complete number thereof. In Rev. 2:10 Smyrna was going to have tribulation fir 10 days, well that meant fir the whole complete Church Age, not 10 days, the 10 Commandments are a stand in for all of God's Laws.

Basically, the 144,000 need protection, it says that in Rev. 7, from the Judgments (four winds) that are about to hit earth, so Gid says HOLD UP the winds, until the 144,000 (5 million Jews) have been sealed in the head (called unto Repentance by the Two-witnesses). Then the Angel is told to hurt not the Earth, Sea, nor Trees until the 144,000 (Jews who flee Juda when they see the AoD) are sealed and in safe harbor (have reached the Petra/Bozrah safe zone). Well, what hurts the Earth, Sea and Trees? The Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact (DOTL). So, we see them fleeing Judea, then comes the DOTL. Just as Zechariah 13:8-9 and Zech. 14:1 shows us, repentance comes just before the DOTL arrives. And as we know in Malachi 4:5 we see Elijah is sent back BEFORE the great and dreadful day of the Lord.

God Himself wrote this book, its a giant code book.

The 144,000 not being understood is a mission of mine, LOL.

What are you using to convert the 144000 into 5 mil.?
Also what gives you authority to designate them as Jews vs. Hebrews?

 

[Nehemiah6]

No need to fear. Jesus would tell you fear not. New things are just old things we haven't spent much time with yet.

What Jesus said was to believers not unbelievers. But to say that there is "no need to fear" is to undermine the message of Revelation. And then to say "new things are old things" is to mock Revelation.

REVELATION 6: THE WRATH OF THE LAMB IS THE WRATH OF JESUS
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Every person who is not a believer should take this to heart. The major message of Revelation to the unsaved as well as to churches and individuals is "REPENT AND BE CONVERTED".

 

[peldom10]

The Bible says....Fear God.

That is widely miss used;
It means to Fear God's commandments and be Born Again. Once our repentance, baptism is in order and we are living righteously, we then have no fear of God.

 

[Cameron143]

What Jesus said was to believers not unbelievers. But to say that there is "no need to fear" is to undermine the message of Revelation. And then to say "new things are old things" is to mock Revelation.

REVELATION 6: THE WRATH OF THE LAMB IS THE WRATH OF JESUS
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Every person who is not a believer should take this to heart. The major message of Revelation to the unsaved as well as to churches and individuals is "REPENT AND BE CONVERTED".

Without meaning to denigrate you in any way, your response is typical of what is found in this site and many other sites.
You have either purposefully or ignorantly misrepresented my thoughts and intentions. I gave a response to encourage a person to look beyond what they know and explore the Bible in greater depth.
It was actually received that way by the person for whom it was intended.
Of course now you will regale me with platitudes of your correctness and my obvious lack of knowledge and spiritually not even recognizing that whatever your purpose in responding was it was never accomplished.
Just express your own thoughts and if you aren't sure what mine might be it would be better to ask for clarification than assume.

 

[Inquisitor]

There is nothing in the narrative to suggest that the tree of life in the garden was not literal. Indeed the book of Revelation confirms that it is literal.

Your using the last letter (Revelation) in the scripture. Which is steeped in symbolic language. To argue that the first letter in the scripture is not symbolic in it's language?

Not sure if that argument is valid.

 

[Inquisitor]

Is.

Was the tree in the garden a literal tree?

Romans 11:17
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree.

Paul says the tree was not literal but symbolic.

 

[oyster67]

Was the tree in the garden a literal tree?

Romans 11:17
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree.

Paul says the tree was not literal but symbolic.

Most of us understand that this olive tree (representing Israel) is not the Tree of the Knowledge of good and evil spoken of in Genisis.

 

[Inquisitor]

Most of us understand that this olive tree (representing Israel) is not the Tree of the Knowledge of good and evil spoken of in Genisis.

Israel was grafted out of the tree of life. We Gentiles have been grafted into the tree of life. You seriously, cannot see that the tree of life always represented Jesus.

 

[oyster67]

Israel was grafted out of the tree of life.

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We Gentiles have been grafted into the tree of life. You seriously, cannot see that the tree of life always represented Jesus.

And now you are talking about yet another tree. Are you confused, or are you simply trying to confuse others?

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[Nehemiah6]

Your using the last letter (Revelation) in the scripture. Which is steeped in symbolic language.

What is "symbolic" about "the wrath of the Lamb"? The wrath of God is as real as the grace of God. But those who do not obey the Gospel face the wrath of the Lamb.

 

[Inquisitor]

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One question mark is sufficient.

The nation of Israel was grafted out.

Romans 9:30-32
What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith; however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though they could by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone.[Quote]And now you are talking about yet another tree. Are you confused, or are you simply trying to confuse others?[/QUOTE]You have a sense of humor.

There were two trees at the center of the garden of Eden.

You can either be grafted into the tree of life or grafted out, your choice.

 

[Inquisitor]

What is "symbolic" about "the wrath of the Lamb"? The wrath of God is as real as the grace of God. But those who do not obey the Gospel face the wrath of the Lamb.

Do you deny that the book of Revelation is loaded with symbols?

 

[oyster67]

Do you deny that the book of Revelation is loaded with symbols?

The Bible uses symbols. Symbols are a part of normal human communication. You seem to stumble upon the simplest and most basic of Biblical matters.

There were two trees at the center of the garden of Eden.

There were many trees in the Garden. In the center was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

The nation of Israel was grafted out.

The unbelieving part was cut off.

One question mark is sufficient.

Oh, that this were true.