What Happens if Someone Who Claims to be “Born Again”
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your going in a circle she asked you to define heresy , you said it’s any sin against god
consider what she said and your response Heresy is a pericularly destructive sin to the church itself a direct offense designed to pull people from Christs word
there’s no shame on acknowledging that you had a wrong thought , it’s how we learn the right ones
what is your point though ? Are you simply saying “ sin is unacceptable to god “? I agree with that part I think several do it’s just the definition of heresy you have that’s thrown by me off
sin is not acceptable to God I think we agree there the difference is this part I’m not sure your grasping the difference in this testament and it’s purpose
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
no one can be saved by looking at sin or gaining knowledge of sin it’s only ever going to make a person guilty of sin I don’t think your realizing the repentance and remission of sins part
This is our testament
“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
Luke 24:45-
repentance and then also remission of sins not imputing sins against us like e law but calling us to repent of sin and have the blood of Jesus wash them away through repentance and confession
“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:6-10 KJV
in the ot people couldn’t repent because to sin meant a death sentance you sin you die the end
in Christ we have repentance and Gods forbearance which allows us to make mistakes and repent and be forgiven when we do there’s a huge difference in the new and Old Testament your thinking along the lines of Moses
consider what she said and your response Heresy is a pericularly destructive sin to the church itself a direct offense designed to pull people from Christs word
there’s no shame on acknowledging that you had a wrong thought , it’s how we learn the right ones
what is your point though ? Are you simply saying “ sin is unacceptable to god “? I agree with that part I think several do it’s just the definition of heresy you have that’s thrown by me off
sin is not acceptable to God I think we agree there the difference is this part I’m not sure your grasping the difference in this testament and it’s purpose
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
no one can be saved by looking at sin or gaining knowledge of sin it’s only ever going to make a person guilty of sin I don’t think your realizing the repentance and remission of sins part
This is our testament
“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
Luke 24:45-
repentance and then also remission of sins not imputing sins against us like e law but calling us to repent of sin and have the blood of Jesus wash them away through repentance and confession
“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:6-10 KJV
in the ot people couldn’t repent because to sin meant a death sentance you sin you die the end
in Christ we have repentance and Gods forbearance which allows us to make mistakes and repent and be forgiven when we do there’s a huge difference in the new and Old Testament your thinking along the lines of Moses
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If a person doesn’t renew their mind will they go to heaven?
In Romans 12 It says by the mercies of GOD present your bodies a living sacrifice which Is your reasonable service and not to be conformed to the world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,If a person doesn’t do that will they go to heaven?
In Romans 12 It says by the mercies of GOD present your bodies a living sacrifice which Is your reasonable service and not to be conformed to the world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,If a person doesn’t do that will they go to heaven?
It's silly to claim "According to God" when your claim is not in the Bible... anywhere.
Try defining "heretic" as you understand it, without using the word "heresy" (or vice versa). Give us actual examples along with your definition. You're dancing around this and expecting others to play along. Step up, or step out.
Try defining "heretic" as you understand it, without using the word "heresy" (or vice versa). Give us actual examples along with your definition. You're dancing around this and expecting others to play along. Step up, or step out.
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yes I agree , but what I’m saying is we need to all define heresy the same way for that to actually be applicable we don’t
so many chrirtians think in them is the whole truth and nothing but the truth and if they think something anything else is heresy we subjectively judge it based only on our own minute understanding
So for instance if anyone is saying you don’t need to repent sin is okay now youll Never perish now “
We know that’s heresy because we heard the truth
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
what I mean is if we want to “call
Out a heresy “ amkng the church we need to all define heresy the same way and understand what it means and how to correct it
we also Have to distinguish between a false teacher , and someone trying to discuss scripture they acknolwedge they don’t fully understand heresy has to be someone claiming to be speaking Gods word and insisting they are a teacher or prophet with some distinguished calling to teach
sometimes in this forum most times actually we’re just having discussions about things we understand differently and we are t claiming to be a teacher at all but are just in a forum discussing the scriptire and have strong opinions as we discuss sometimes what we say is taken out of context and then made to be some false teacher when that’s not ever what someone’s claiming to be themselves
I totally agree that if we see someone spreading a lie and claiming it’s of God we need to speak up subs not necessarily cknromt or anything but just put the truth out there with what hey said so people see the difference and have the choice to choose what Jesus taught or what the heretic is saying
anywhere you have the true gospel spoken you’ll also have opposing ideas and understandings spoken to constradoct ever since the fruit in Eden
Gos said “ the fruit will kill you don’t eat that particular fruit but your free to eat of all and all things are yours “
Then Satan said “ no the fruit won’t harm you it will make you wise and great like gods “
now they had a choice of what God said or what thier enemy said though they were unaware we are not we are well o formed and enabled to choose Christ and his word of life
it’s the same with the gospel Jesus sent this word out
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
whether you get specific like Matthew or general Like mark
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
Jesus sent this witness out
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
since then Satan has been saying “ no that’s not true that doesn’t apply anymore to you listen to
My ways instead hear my word instead this isn’t for you
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
listen to me instead I’ll tell you how to be saved and have eternal Life
this isn’t for you
“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49
“listen to me instead your saved by grace through faith that has nothing to do with what Jesus said “
that’s all Satan can do now is convince us to not believe what Jesus said will
Save us heresy is anything trying to convince us the gospel Jesus spoke isn’t for us or isnt how to be saved
so many chrirtians think in them is the whole truth and nothing but the truth and if they think something anything else is heresy we subjectively judge it based only on our own minute understanding
So for instance if anyone is saying you don’t need to repent sin is okay now youll Never perish now “
We know that’s heresy because we heard the truth
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
what I mean is if we want to “call
Out a heresy “ amkng the church we need to all define heresy the same way and understand what it means and how to correct it
we also Have to distinguish between a false teacher , and someone trying to discuss scripture they acknolwedge they don’t fully understand heresy has to be someone claiming to be speaking Gods word and insisting they are a teacher or prophet with some distinguished calling to teach
sometimes in this forum most times actually we’re just having discussions about things we understand differently and we are t claiming to be a teacher at all but are just in a forum discussing the scriptire and have strong opinions as we discuss sometimes what we say is taken out of context and then made to be some false teacher when that’s not ever what someone’s claiming to be themselves
I totally agree that if we see someone spreading a lie and claiming it’s of God we need to speak up subs not necessarily cknromt or anything but just put the truth out there with what hey said so people see the difference and have the choice to choose what Jesus taught or what the heretic is saying
anywhere you have the true gospel spoken you’ll also have opposing ideas and understandings spoken to constradoct ever since the fruit in Eden
Gos said “ the fruit will kill you don’t eat that particular fruit but your free to eat of all and all things are yours “
Then Satan said “ no the fruit won’t harm you it will make you wise and great like gods “
now they had a choice of what God said or what thier enemy said though they were unaware we are not we are well o formed and enabled to choose Christ and his word of life
it’s the same with the gospel Jesus sent this word out
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
whether you get specific like Matthew or general Like mark
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
Jesus sent this witness out
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
since then Satan has been saying “ no that’s not true that doesn’t apply anymore to you listen to
My ways instead hear my word instead this isn’t for you
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
listen to me instead I’ll tell you how to be saved and have eternal Life
this isn’t for you
“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49
“listen to me instead your saved by grace through faith that has nothing to do with what Jesus said “
that’s all Satan can do now is convince us to not believe what Jesus said will
Save us heresy is anything trying to convince us the gospel Jesus spoke isn’t for us or isnt how to be saved
