Did Adam and Eve violate the Ten Commandments ?
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Sinopoly...the game the whole family can play. There are 2 versions. The first is for those who believe grace alone for salvation. Salvation is given at the beginning of the game. The second version for those who believe in some degree of works, eternal life is at the end.
I believe that Adam & Eve violated at least SOME of the 10 commandments, even though the 10 weren't codified until God gave the Law to Moses on Mt. Sinai.
Romans 2 seems to bear this out when Paul describes Gentiles who, although they don't have the written law, have their consciences accuse or excuse them when they do or don't do by nature what the Law requires.
Granted, the Jew/Gentile distinction didn't take place until at least Ishmael & Isaac (or Esau & Jacob), but the point is that Adam & Eve still broke God's law even though they didn't have it in "written" form.
Romans 2 seems to bear this out when Paul describes Gentiles who, although they don't have the written law, have their consciences accuse or excuse them when they do or don't do by nature what the Law requires.
Granted, the Jew/Gentile distinction didn't take place until at least Ishmael & Isaac (or Esau & Jacob), but the point is that Adam & Eve still broke God's law even though they didn't have it in "written" form.
Guilt is a legal term. There was no law in place, only the unwavering standard of their Father's character.
This is what is written on our hearts in Hebrews 10:
“This is the covenant I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord.
I will put My laws in their hearts
and inscribe them on their minds.”
This is not the transcription of the Levitical Law on our hearts, the ministry that brings a curse and death. This is the nature of our Father, who happens to be the Living God.
There was definitely one law in place in the Garden of Eden, not to eat from the fruit of the tree of good and evil. The penalty for breaking that law was death.
There was a law in place. Otherwise there would have been no need to shed blood or provide a suitable covering.
Their response also confirms this. They hid in fear and felt ashamed.
Shedding blood was the shadow and type that pointed to Jesus. The covering created by the shedding of blood was the shadow and type of inclusion in the One who would come, Christ.
God the Son and Father created man and woman to bring Himself into creation to be known by man: they were to be carriers of God’s nature. They were spirits clothed in flesh. When they gave in to the lusts of the flesh and the pride of life and chose a way opposed to the nature of God they lost their estate: the kingdom they were to inherit. This made them unsuitable vessels to carry the fulness of God. Because of this they eventually died.
This requires wisdom to understand.
Yes. They are guilty of disobedience.
Genesis 2:17
“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. For sin was in the world before the law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who did not sin in the way that Adam transgressed. He is a pattern of the One to come.
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many! Again, the gift is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment that followed one sin brought condemnation, but the gift that followed many trespasses brought justification. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
The law came in so that the trespass would increase; but where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many! Again, the gift is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment that followed one sin brought condemnation, but the gift that followed many trespasses brought justification. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
The law came in so that the trespass would increase; but where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord
Ten commandments weren't an issue then.
It was the One commandment.
Likewise today, the Ten Commandments aren't the issue. There are literally hundreds of commandments and we've all broken plenty of them.
What we know concerning our sins is that Jesus suffered and died for them...ALL of them. Trying to live up to the hundreds or even ten won't save you; it never did and never will. You already blew it. It's hopeless to try to make up for them, or any other good works. Here is the answer.
Good News
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It was the One commandment.
Likewise today, the Ten Commandments aren't the issue. There are literally hundreds of commandments and we've all broken plenty of them.
What we know concerning our sins is that Jesus suffered and died for them...ALL of them. Trying to live up to the hundreds or even ten won't save you; it never did and never will. You already blew it. It's hopeless to try to make up for them, or any other good works. Here is the answer.
Good News
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Right. I agree with all of that. But it doesn't conflict with anything I wrote.
Meaning: there doesn't have to be a law in place for the children of God to disobey God. They could have not tended the garden, for example, and still be disobedient. Like Jesus, they were to do only what their Father told them to do.
Like Abraham: he believed God and it was counted as righteousness.
The nature of God is not : don't do this or don't do that. The nature of God is perfect. He is I Am. For His children to be as He is they needed to be "we are too". To the extent that if we regarded His children we could know the nature of God. Instead, they were something else. Something NOT aligned with Him was the consequence of their lust.
You could say God's nature was a law only in so far as we consider it like the laws of nature that simply are: immutable.
If you have children you know this well: we can show them how to be (I am) but they can choose not to be like us. We guide them in love not by a law. Even so, that is not a perfect example because we account for a world that is not perfect.
No, there was a law in place. Just like all other of God's laws later, it began with thou shalt not.....
Thank you for all your answers,I carefully thought about the sequence, and I found that my feeling was that none of the answers in this matter was absolutely right or wrong.
Or the compromise should not say the original sin, but the origin of sin. In combination, the origin of sin is the seed of disobedience.
The ancient serpent used a strange question. You will become like a God who knows good and evil.
In fact, Adam and Eve were obedient children. At first, they only knew to obey God's Word, It seems they didn't know the consequences of death and why they shouldn't eat it.
I feel that I suddenly came up with a clear and confused clue.
I dare to guess that Eve eaten the fruit not only because she saw it was lovely, but because she really wanted to be somewhat as God,It's like children want to be like their parents.
But what pitiful Eve and Adam did not know was that God created them in his own image.
In other words, they are look like God, except for the gap in knowledge.Do any of us know why we must die after eating the fruit from the tree of good and evil ?
If one of us can enter the kingdom of heaven, he will truly knows what is good and evil, and will never die.the result is just like what the ancient serpent said and became a fact.
So what is this ancient serpent truly lying about?Just because his lies can sow the seeds of disobedience?
How can I suddenly feel that there are lizard man living somewhere under the feet of our world. They are jealous of human beings.just kidding.
Or the compromise should not say the original sin, but the origin of sin. In combination, the origin of sin is the seed of disobedience.
The ancient serpent used a strange question. You will become like a God who knows good and evil.
In fact, Adam and Eve were obedient children. At first, they only knew to obey God's Word, It seems they didn't know the consequences of death and why they shouldn't eat it.
I feel that I suddenly came up with a clear and confused clue.
I dare to guess that Eve eaten the fruit not only because she saw it was lovely, but because she really wanted to be somewhat as God,It's like children want to be like their parents.
But what pitiful Eve and Adam did not know was that God created them in his own image.
In other words, they are look like God, except for the gap in knowledge.Do any of us know why we must die after eating the fruit from the tree of good and evil ?
If one of us can enter the kingdom of heaven, he will truly knows what is good and evil, and will never die.the result is just like what the ancient serpent said and became a fact.
So what is this ancient serpent truly lying about?Just because his lies can sow the seeds of disobedience?
How can I suddenly feel that there are lizard man living somewhere under the feet of our world. They are jealous of human beings.just kidding.
Since the ten commandments was given by Moses it does not seem to be applicable to Adam and Eve. I think the question should be did Adam and Eve violate the one commandment? Yes.
But then you jump into "what is original sin". Obviously it is this desire to "be like God" based on the knowledge of good and evil. That is the real temptation.
It leads to covetousness and jealousy which we seen in Cain when God does not have respect to his offering.
That jealousy grew into rage and murder.
This spread, Cain had no fellowship with God and so created the world, an entire system where they do not worship God, they worship idols which they make. Their money is a graven image which they have made. Soon they take the name of God in vain because in their worldly system "only the good die young". In their pursuit after their Gods they completely ignore the Sabbath, since they completely ignore God. Their day of rest is filled with idol worship, perhaps a football game or some other worldly pursuit. Soon they despise their fathers and mothers that taught them to honor God and world is filled with adultery, murder, and stealing.
God is Love.
To love God is to obey the first 4 commandments. And to love each other is to obey the next 6.
Adam and Eve didn't need 10 laws written in stone because they were created in Gods image.
They failed at loving God.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
The first of the 10 was broken.
Cain killed Abel.
The laws may not have been written in stone but people were guilty of transgressing them.
The spiritual principles were the same.
Rom 2:
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.). ....
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
It's about the heart, the law written on the heart.
The law is Spiritual. When the Holy Spirit is in us we know it is wrong to steal, kill and take the Lords name in vain.
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
The 10 commandments are LOVE For God and each other expanded.
Love exisited in Eden so the principles were there.
To love God is to obey the first 4 commandments. And to love each other is to obey the next 6.
Adam and Eve didn't need 10 laws written in stone because they were created in Gods image.
They failed at loving God.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
The first of the 10 was broken.
Cain killed Abel.
The laws may not have been written in stone but people were guilty of transgressing them.
The spiritual principles were the same.
Rom 2:
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.). ....
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
It's about the heart, the law written on the heart.
The law is Spiritual. When the Holy Spirit is in us we know it is wrong to steal, kill and take the Lords name in vain.
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
The 10 commandments are LOVE For God and each other expanded.
Love exisited in Eden so the principles were there.
So the ideologies of our world fight and envy each other for the so-called good and bad, because when one ideology is really good by comparison, another ideology will become like Cain. Of course, none of them is really good.
Because these good and bad are based on power, wealth and fame, not God's love.
But what I really want to know is, what do you think of the serpent's lies.
What is the serpent lie for? What can the serpent get? Just to turn us all into infected people, become disobedient infected people, and then what? Just like Cain did things because of jealousy, he always had a starting point and motivation. Why does the Bible describe this is only a lying father.
As if there must be a villain in the story, and the villain role player is just an ornament to make the whole story more exciting
The villains in the human story will eventually be destroyed by the righteous alliance. But before that, the villains would do many things. But from the story of the Bible, the villains here just said a sentence at the beginning. The rest of the bad things seem to be done by humans ourselves. This story is unimaginable.
It seems that the infected people have become the children of the father of lies, but these children are infected with the seeds of disobedience, so these infected people will not obey the words of the father of lies, so these people can not happily eat together, and no one will obey anyone.They can't even obey lies.
So the result is that no matter what the serpent wants to achieve, it will eventually become a failure.
Mark 3:26
If Satan fights and quarrels with himself, he will not stand and will perish.
But what is all this for? Satan even lived longer than Eve and Adam. Satan would even talk to Jesus and God about how shameful and evil human behavior he saw,No matter whether these words are lies or not, some of them are facts, so Satan is actually opposing these infectors and disobedients created by himself.
Like when Satan talked about Job in his dialogue with God, I even had a feeling that Satan was betting with God, but I didn't know what the bet was about, but I can now speculate that Satan must be and will be Loser.
Because these good and bad are based on power, wealth and fame, not God's love.
But what I really want to know is, what do you think of the serpent's lies.
What is the serpent lie for? What can the serpent get? Just to turn us all into infected people, become disobedient infected people, and then what? Just like Cain did things because of jealousy, he always had a starting point and motivation. Why does the Bible describe this is only a lying father.
As if there must be a villain in the story, and the villain role player is just an ornament to make the whole story more exciting
The villains in the human story will eventually be destroyed by the righteous alliance. But before that, the villains would do many things. But from the story of the Bible, the villains here just said a sentence at the beginning. The rest of the bad things seem to be done by humans ourselves. This story is unimaginable.
It seems that the infected people have become the children of the father of lies, but these children are infected with the seeds of disobedience, so these infected people will not obey the words of the father of lies, so these people can not happily eat together, and no one will obey anyone.They can't even obey lies.
So the result is that no matter what the serpent wants to achieve, it will eventually become a failure.
Mark 3:26
If Satan fights and quarrels with himself, he will not stand and will perish.
But what is all this for? Satan even lived longer than Eve and Adam. Satan would even talk to Jesus and God about how shameful and evil human behavior he saw,No matter whether these words are lies or not, some of them are facts, so Satan is actually opposing these infectors and disobedients created by himself.
Like when Satan talked about Job in his dialogue with God, I even had a feeling that Satan was betting with God, but I didn't know what the bet was about, but I can now speculate that Satan must be and will be Loser.