The mechanism me uses to make northward shadows in Sydney is called a... flashlight! 
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Is The Earth Flat Or Round?
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Does it have a built-in compass?
No it does not. This verse in no way "proves your point" - you are using it out of context. The focus and emphasis of this verse is on the phrase between the commas - not what happened on that day.
On another occasion, the Lord moved the sun "back" for ten degrees on a sundial.
In both instances, 'physics' was "in play" during the natural course of a day - there were no miracles.
A lot of what God does is not an "interruption" of the natural order; rather, it is "built-in" to the natural order.
Therefore, no miracle. Just something in nature that God knows how to 'utilize' - that we don't...
On another occasion, the Lord moved the sun "back" for ten degrees on a sundial.
In both instances, 'physics' was "in play" during the natural course of a day - there were no miracles.
A lot of what God does is not an "interruption" of the natural order; rather, it is "built-in" to the natural order.
Therefore, no miracle. Just something in nature that God knows how to 'utilize' - that we don't...
The fact that I am a born-again Christian is outside the realm of testable science - but, I believe it!
Part of the problem is - when people treat science like it was the Bible (accepting without question whatever science says), and the Bible like it was science (not willing to believe what scripture says without proof).
Do you see how "backwards" this is? (You have Satan to thank for that.)
People of faith should be more apt to believe what the Bible says and question what 'science' (man) says.
If you put science before the Bible, it will cause you to "miss" or "overlook" what the Bible is trying to tell you.
If you put the Bible before science, you will accept what God says about the earth - it is 'stationary' / 'does not move', it 'has corners', it 'sits on pillars', etc. etc. etc. - and, you will question science when/where it does not agree with what the Bible says.
The Bible says that - on Creation Day - God created a 'firmament' with water above and below it.
The Bible says that the sun, moon, and stars are in the firmament.
The Bible says that the birds fly in the firmament.
What is the 'firmament'?
What else does the Bible say in regard to the 'firmament'?
When are you going to "forget about science" long enough to understand properly what the Bible is saying? And, then see how science measures up to what the Bible says?
You will never understand any of this properly until you are willing to take 'science' to the 'altar' at the feet of Jesus and 'sacrifice' it - forsake it entirely - forget it entirely - giving it no place whatsoever with regard to the truth of scripture - so that you may have a 'full' understanding of what scripture is trying to tell you.
Until you do this - 'science' will be your 'god' where your understanding of our reality is concerned.
I am not avoiding anything.
Don't assume so much - you don't realize just how much time I have spent looking at the pictures (and other related research) and pondering, thinking, etc. since you originally posted the pictures.
I am still looking into it - as I have time. (Which is really not a whole lot.)
Nope. Nothing like that. Absolutely not.
You don't understand my limitations in this area. Perhaps I will explain it more later. Just keep in mind that the requirements for writing longer - and, especially, more in-depth/serious posts - go up "exponentially" with the length of the post and the depth of the intent of the post.
Short responses are not nearly so "involved" as long ones.
And, another thing - when you and others "throw out" stuff that "becomes more important" in terms of "having to deal with it" - weeeeell, it pushes-off-til-even-later such a post as you are waiting for me to write. So - what is more important to you - keep producing a bunch of distraction 'crap' with the intent to constantly and continually "back me into a corner" and/or "trip me up" - or - have the more intelligent and meaningful conversations you really want sooner by not doing all of that other crazy crap...???
The choice is yours. (collectively)
It is up to you and your Ball Earth 'compatriots' - what is more important - meaningful respectful conversations or ???
Part of the problem is - when people treat science like it was the Bible (accepting without question whatever science says), and the Bible like it was science (not willing to believe what scripture says without proof).
Do you see how "backwards" this is? (You have Satan to thank for that.)
People of faith should be more apt to believe what the Bible says and question what 'science' (man) says.
If you put science before the Bible, it will cause you to "miss" or "overlook" what the Bible is trying to tell you.
If you put the Bible before science, you will accept what God says about the earth - it is 'stationary' / 'does not move', it 'has corners', it 'sits on pillars', etc. etc. etc. - and, you will question science when/where it does not agree with what the Bible says.
The Bible says that - on Creation Day - God created a 'firmament' with water above and below it.
The Bible says that the sun, moon, and stars are in the firmament.
The Bible says that the birds fly in the firmament.
What is the 'firmament'?
What else does the Bible say in regard to the 'firmament'?
When are you going to "forget about science" long enough to understand properly what the Bible is saying? And, then see how science measures up to what the Bible says?
You will never understand any of this properly until you are willing to take 'science' to the 'altar' at the feet of Jesus and 'sacrifice' it - forsake it entirely - forget it entirely - giving it no place whatsoever with regard to the truth of scripture - so that you may have a 'full' understanding of what scripture is trying to tell you.
Until you do this - 'science' will be your 'god' where your understanding of our reality is concerned.
I am not avoiding anything.
Don't assume so much - you don't realize just how much time I have spent looking at the pictures (and other related research) and pondering, thinking, etc. since you originally posted the pictures.
I am still looking into it - as I have time. (Which is really not a whole lot.)
Nope. Nothing like that. Absolutely not.
You don't understand my limitations in this area. Perhaps I will explain it more later. Just keep in mind that the requirements for writing longer - and, especially, more in-depth/serious posts - go up "exponentially" with the length of the post and the depth of the intent of the post.
Short responses are not nearly so "involved" as long ones.
And, another thing - when you and others "throw out" stuff that "becomes more important" in terms of "having to deal with it" - weeeeell, it pushes-off-til-even-later such a post as you are waiting for me to write. So - what is more important to you - keep producing a bunch of distraction 'crap' with the intent to constantly and continually "back me into a corner" and/or "trip me up" - or - have the more intelligent and meaningful conversations you really want sooner by not doing all of that other crazy crap...???
The choice is yours. (collectively)
It is up to you and your Ball Earth 'compatriots' - what is more important - meaningful respectful conversations or
???
I will encourage you to apply your own advice: Don't assume so much. I believe without reservation that God caused something to occur in Joshua's day, such that, at the very least, the sun appeared to stand still for about a day. Whether it actually stood still, or the Earth stood still, or some combination of events occurred to produce the visible phenomena, is secondary to me. The point, in the context of this thread, is that it was a one-time untestable phenomenon, and is not useful as evidence for either your position or mine. In other words, it's irrelevant.
I don't believe science over Scripture, but then, I also don't believe that Scripture teaches a flat Earth. We interpret Scripture differently. There is no need to imply that someone else's view of Scripture is inferior over a different interpretation.
What you may not understand is that the LATEST GREATEST research seems to indicate that our galaxy (and by inference the earth itself) may be the so called center of the universe.
And this is not some ancient myth I'm talking about this is the absolute latest data from from the latest and most sophisticated satellites up there.
Look up the WMAP and Planck Satellites, and the Sloan Digital sky survey. Also check out quantized redshifts data. Also check out quasar data. Check out the work oh Halton Arp.
"We are the center of everything. We are it."
I concur. But more than that, there exists very compelling scientific evidence to back up this claim.
https://creation.com/our-galaxy-is-the-centre-of-the-universe-quantized-redshifts-show
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/redshift-quantization.283049/
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23301-planck-shows-almost-perfect-cosmos-plus-axis-of-evil/
http://www.reach-unlimited.com/p/10...a-confirm-earth-may-be-the-center-of-universe
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~huterer/PRESS/CMB_Huterer.pdf
And this is not some ancient myth I'm talking about this is the absolute latest data from from the latest and most sophisticated satellites up there.
Look up the WMAP and Planck Satellites, and the Sloan Digital sky survey. Also check out quantized redshifts data. Also check out quasar data. Check out the work oh Halton Arp.
"We are the center of everything. We are it."
I concur. But more than that, there exists very compelling scientific evidence to back up this claim.
https://creation.com/our-galaxy-is-the-centre-of-the-universe-quantized-redshifts-show
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/redshift-quantization.283049/
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23301-planck-shows-almost-perfect-cosmos-plus-axis-of-evil/
http://www.reach-unlimited.com/p/10...a-confirm-earth-may-be-the-center-of-universe
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~huterer/PRESS/CMB_Huterer.pdf
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You may or may not understand this, but it is perfectly plausible for everything to be revolving around the earth. And I mean everything. The equations work perfectly well one way or the other.
"There are supposedly 4 Physics-Astronomy celestial experiments that have in one way or another proven that the universe might actually be the so-called heavens that revolve around the earth. All of these experiments have been covered up and are not taught in major physics departments of schools because of the kind of knowledge they prove: The earth is the center of the universe.
"There are supposedly 4 Physics-Astronomy celestial experiments that have in one way or another proven that the universe might actually be the so-called heavens that revolve around the earth. All of these experiments have been covered up and are not taught in major physics departments of schools because of the kind of knowledge they prove: The earth is the center of the universe.
- 1887 Michaelson-Morley experiment--Earth might be stationary and not moving around the sun.
- 1871 Airy's Failed Experiment: If earth was moving or stars were moving. Starlight.
- Michaelson-Gail--Whether the Earth is rotating at 24 hours a day.
- 1905 Theory of Relativity--Abolishment of Aether---1913 Proof that an Aether or Quantum Fluid existed instead of empty space."
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Michelson and Gale:
The result of the experiment when it was finally conducted in 1925 was that the measured fringe shift was found to be 0.230 +/- 0.005, which was found to agree with the prediction of no ether drag by rotation within the experimental error. What this means is that the speed of light is constant in the non-rotating frame, a result that is consistent with Lorentz Ether Theory. Theories that propose that the Earth Centered Inertial Frame (ECI Frame) is a preferred frame for the speed of light also are consistent with this result, since the speed of light in this experiment is constant in the ECI frame of the earth.
The result of the experiment when it was finally conducted in 1925 was that the measured fringe shift was found to be 0.230 +/- 0.005, which was found to agree with the prediction of no ether drag by rotation within the experimental error. What this means is that the speed of light is constant in the non-rotating frame, a result that is consistent with Lorentz Ether Theory. Theories that propose that the Earth Centered Inertial Frame (ECI Frame) is a preferred frame for the speed of light also are consistent with this result, since the speed of light in this experiment is constant in the ECI frame of the earth.
I read post 1068 and found nothing about the Earth being flat. Do you have a verse? I suspect you are just joking, but many people are very gullible and easily swayed by the silliest of things. Be nice and tell them you just joking. We have many confused and unstable people here at CC. Have a heart.
BTW, I do realize that we are lied to every day by the world around us. Let's focus on the REAL lies.
BTW, I do realize that we are lied to every day by the world around us. Let's focus on the REAL lies.
Does it have a built-in compass?
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Water level changes drastically depending on the position of the moon. Water is "bulgy".
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