Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Is The Earth Flat Or Round?


  • Total voters
    103

oyster67

Senior Member
May 24, 2014
11,887
8,705
113
The ball-Earth model claims the Moon orbits around the Earth once every 28 days, yet it is plain for anyone to see that the Moon orbits around the Earth every single day! The Moon’s orbit is slightly slower than the Sun’s, but follows the Sun’s same path from Tropic to Tropic, solstice to solstice, making a full circle over the Earth in just under 25 hours.
I love this! Really makes me tink. :giggle:
The every-single-day thing is due to the rotation of the Earth, not the orbit of the moon.
Can't fool 'da Oysta! :sneaky:(y)
 

RaceRunner

Well-known member
Oct 13, 2022
1,576
289
83
.
Probably the flatters with the weakest legs to stand on are the conspiracy
theorists alleging that the USA, Russia, China, Japan, SpaceX, Google Earth,
and the European Space Agency, plus all the imaging teams, all the
astronauts, all the world's astronomers, and all the folks involved in
designing rockets, satellite communications systems, and the GPS system,
have colluded to fool the world into believing the Earth is a sphere.


* I was 13 years old when Sputnik 1 became the first man-made satellite to
orbit the Earth back in October of 1957. It was really fast; circling all the
way around the planet in only 96 minutes. Sputnik was really big, big news,
and it frightened just about everybody that Russia had the science and the
capability to do it.
_
Pictures are unreliable because they can be photo-shopped.
 

oyster67

Senior Member
May 24, 2014
11,887
8,705
113
Once again, the ball model asks us to accept as coincidence something that cannot be explained other than by natural design.
The ball Earth "model" asks us to accept that God knew exactly what He was doing and orchestrated everything perfectly. It is God's signature in the sky! :)(y)
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,325
13,713
113
The ball-Earth model claims the Sun is precisely 400 times larger than the Moon and 400 times further away from Earth making them “falsely” appear exactly the same size. Once again, the ball model asks us to accept as coincidence something that cannot be explained other than by natural design. The Sun and the Moon occupy the same amount of space in the sky and have been measured with sextants to be of equal size and equal distance, so claiming otherwise is against our eyes, experience, experiments and common sense.
It might help your case if you didn't misrepresent that of so-called "ball earthers".

The ball-Earth model doesn't make any claims; people make claims.

The prevailing view is that the sun is approximately, not "precisely" 400 times larger than the moon and 400 times farther away.

The claim is not that this makes them "falsely" appear exactly the same size; the claim is that they do appear to be about the same size.

The ball model doesn't ask anything. People who believe in the ball Earth believe these things. I, for one, am not asking you to believe anything; I'm telling you the truth. Whether you believe the truth or not is your problem, not mine.

One cannot measure distance with a sextant, so your claim on that matter is simply erroneous. Rather, a sextant is used to measure arc angle, also called angular distance.

It is perfectly consistent with experience and common sense that the sun is larger than the moon, and that it is much farther away. Your eyes must see things differently than mine do.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,325
13,713
113
Throughout thousands of years the same constellations have remained fixed in their same patterns without moving out of position whatsoever. If the Earth were a big ball spinning around a bigger Sun spinning around a bigger galaxy shooting off from the Biggest Bang as NASA claims, it is impossible that the constellations would remain so fixed. Based on their model, we should, in fact, have an entirely different night sky every single night and never repeat exactly the same star pattern twice.
Unless, of course, the stars making up the constellations were moving in sync... which is perfectly possible in God's created universe.
 

tourist

Senior Member
Mar 13, 2014
42,536
17,013
113
69
Tennessee
The ball-Earth model claims the Moon orbits around the Earth once every 28 days, yet it is plain for anyone to see that the Moon orbits around the Earth every single day! The Moon’s orbit is slightly slower than the Sun’s, but follows the Sun’s same path from Tropic to Tropic, solstice to solstice, making a full circle over the Earth in just under 25 hours.
The sun does not orbit anything.
 

Ted01

Well-known member
May 14, 2022
1,055
447
83
The ball-Earth model claims the Moon orbits around the Earth once every 28 days, yet it is plain for anyone to see that the Moon orbits around the Earth every single day! The Moon’s orbit is slightly slower than the Sun’s, but follows the Sun’s same path from Tropic to Tropic, solstice to solstice, making a full circle over the Earth in just under 25 hours.
It's interesting that you claim to be a FE proponent yet in this post you agree that both the Earth and Sun(?) have orbits?
 

tourist

Senior Member
Mar 13, 2014
42,536
17,013
113
69
Tennessee
Pictures are unreliable because they can be photo-shopped.
Does this include flat earth photos, not that there are any that show the edges? If the flat earth is in a circular shape what is its diameter / circumference, and how was this determined since no one has actually been to the edge.
 

oyster67

Senior Member
May 24, 2014
11,887
8,705
113
Does this include flat earth photos, not that there are any that show the edges? If the flat earth is in a circular shape what is its diameter / circumference, and how was this determined since no one has actually been to the edge.
Lots of us have been on the edge, but... that's for another thread.
 
S

SanderB

Guest
The sun does not orbit anything.
The spherical Earth orbits the spherical sun in 365.25 days, while the sun revolves around the center of the Milky Way, one revolution every 225 million years or so.
 

Webers.Home

Well-known member
May 28, 2018
5,757
1,063
113
Oregon
cfbac.org
.
Job 9:6 . . He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble.

The Hebrew word for "pillars" is somewhat ambiguous and doesn't
necessarily pertain to mechanical support; for example Ex 13:21 where
pillars of smoke and fire were sent ahead of Moses' people as guides during
their journey.

Job's pillars likely pertain to the Earth's tallest mountains, (Job 26:11

As for the Earth's mechanical support, Job said there isn't any. (Job 26:7)
_
 

RaceRunner

Well-known member
Oct 13, 2022
1,576
289
83
If Earth were a spinning ball revolving around the Sun it would actually be impossible for star-trail photos to show perfect circles even at the North Pole! Since the Earth is also allegedly moving 67,000mph around the Sun, the Sun moving 500,000mph around the Milky Way, and the entire galaxy going 670,000,000mph, these four contradictory motions would make star-trail time-lapses all show irregular curved lines.
 

RaceRunner

Well-known member
Oct 13, 2022
1,576
289
83
In 2003, three University Geography professors collaborated in an experiment to prove that the state of Kansas is indeed actually flatter than a pancake! Using topigraphical geodetic surveys covering over 80,000 square miles it was determined that Kansas has a flatness ratio of 0.9997 over the entire state while the average pancake, precisely measured using a confocal laser microscope comes in at 0.957, making Kansas thereby literally flatter than a pancake.

1670108499532.png
 

RaceRunner

Well-known member
Oct 13, 2022
1,576
289
83
Quoting Reverend Thomas Milner’s “Atlas of Physical Geography,” we find that, “Vast areas exhibit a perfectly dead level, scarcely a rise existing through 1,500 miles from the Carpathians to the Urals. South of the Baltic the country is so flat that a prevailing north wind will drive the waters of the Stattiner Haf into the mouth of the Oder, and give the river a backward flow 30 or 40 miles. The plains of Venezuela and New Granada, in South America chiefly on the left of the Orinoco, are termed Ilanos, or level fields. Often in the space of 270 square miles the surface does not vary a single foot. The Amazon only falls 12 feet in the last 700 miles of its course; the La Plata has only a descent of one thirty-third of an inch a mile.”
 

RaceRunner

Well-known member
Oct 13, 2022
1,576
289
83
The Felix Baumgartner Red Bull dive outside camera shows the same amount of “curvature of Earth” from surface-level to jump-height proving it to be a deceiving fish-eyed wide-angle lens, while the inside regular camera shows a perfectly flat horizon, eye level at 128,000 feet, which is only consistent with a flat plane.

1670108601784.png
 

RaceRunner

Well-known member
Oct 13, 2022
1,576
289
83
Some people claim to have seen the curvature of the Earth out their airplane windows. The glass used in all commercial airplanes, however, is curved to remain flush with the fuselage. This creates a slight effect mixed with confirmation bias people mistake for being the alleged curvature of the Earth. In actuality, the fact that you can see the horizon at eye-level at 35,000 feet out both port/starboard windows proves the Earth is flat. If the Earth were a ball, no matter how big, the horizon would stay exactly where it was and you would have to look DOWN further and further to see the horizon at all. Looking straight out the window at 35,000 feet you should see nothing but "outer-space" from the port and starboard windows, as the Earth/horizon are supposed to be BELOW you. If they are visible at eye level outside both side windows, it’s because the Earth is flat!

1670108665331.png