Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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I think the reason they do this is to gain credibility with their followers
 

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1John 2:20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.

This is the focus of our walk with the Lord, that we would know His voice and follow Him. I think everyone has to develop and tune their ears to hear the Lord. Very often a little voice will go off inside you that something is not right. Paul referred to having "the life and peace". Your mind says it is good, but inside you don't feel right and the more you walk that way the less peace you have.

21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

This is very interesting point. Cult leaders prey on those that don't know the truth. Liars and cheats know they can't deceive all the people, only most of them. If you know the truth then you can't be deceived, but most people don't. So they seek out those that don't know the truth. For example, one way to lie to people is to put on a uniform. It has been proven time and time again that if you are wearing uniform and speak like you are in authority people will do what you say. They did an experiment where they pretended that as you pushed certain knobs it was torturing someone else. Because the people telling them to do this were wearing lab coats and appearing authoritative people would go ahead and torture people just because they were told to. But when you learn the truth you know that this is not the case. Many people, just like Satan, will disguise themselves as an angel of light. You will have an internal "fire alarm" and when you realize someone has lied to you that alarm will go off because you know that no lie is of the truth. This is what happened with me. I am not a biologist, I have taught biology in high school but my major is Geology. Still I knew a little about viruses, vaccines, and how we get to herd immunity. So I was confused that Fauci seemed to be ignoring everything I had been taught and had been teaching to kids when it came to the pandemic. Still, I am no expert and I assumed he was, so I was paying close attention trying to hear why this pandemic was unlike everything we had taught. Then I heard Fauci say "if you question me you are questioning science". That was when the alarms went off for me. As a geologist I knew that all scientists were questioned, that is what we do. I taught the kids about Galileo being excommunicated because he said the Earth revolved around the Sun. I taught the kids that when I was in high school there was some crazy theory about a meteorite wiping out the dinosaurs. I then explained how this was attacked and attacked until finally the evidence was overwhelming and then overnight the textbooks were all changed and everyone knew that the dinosaurs were wiped out by a meteorite. Once you know that Fauci is lying, you know that he is not of the truth. At that point I stuck to what I knew, being exposed to the virus and recovering is the best vaccine, it gives you the best immunity. Since I had already had Covid I was clear that I did not need the vaccine and I was also clear that if Fauci, a liar, is pushing the vaccine that I should not trust it or him.

22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

Because of this verse the antichrists are more discreet. They will tell you how wonderful Christ is, how He was a prophet of God, but you just need something in addition to the blood of Christ to be saved. If I need Jesus + something then you are denying the saving work of Christ. Others are more blatant saying that Jesus failed but another messiah will come, that other messiah that is coming is the antichrist. Jesus is the truth. Because they did not have the love of the truth God gives them a great deception that they might believe the lie. Islam, Jehovah's Witnesses, and a whole host of cults will do this. In one way or another they deny that Jesus is the Christ.

23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

What these antichrists do is make you feel that they have something you need. But face it, if they don't have the Son then they don't have the Father also. So then, what could they possibly have that you need? All things came into being through the Son, He is the heir of all things, He is the effulgence of God's glory, He is the express image of God, He has a greater name than all the angels. What could this "apostle" or "super apostle" or "prophet" possibly have that you need if he doesn't have the Son or the Father?
 

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More on knowing the truth and knowing the antichrist

There are more than 300 prophecies of Christ’s First Coming, and we could take several books to carefully examine them one after another. For our purposes here, we don’t need to look at all of them. Nine will do, nine prophecies given centuries before their fulfillment:

  • The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem (Mic 5:2; Mat 2:1,5).
  • He would present Himself as King riding a donkey (Zec 9:9; Mat 21:1-9; John 12:12-16).
  • He would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver (Zec 11:12; Mat 26:15,27:3-5).
  • The “blood money” transaction would occur in the temple and the money would end up finally in the potter’s hands (Zech 11:13; Mat 27:6-10).
  • He would have wounds in His hands (Zech 13:6; John 20:24-28).
  • He would make no defense even though He’s innocent (Isa 53:7; Mar 15:3-5).
  • He would die with the wicked yet be buried with the rich (Isa 53:9; Mar 15:27; Mat 27:57-60).
  • He would be crucified (Psa 22:16, Zech 12:10; John 19:16ff).
  • He would rise again (Psa 16:10; Isa 53:12; Mat 12:40; Mat 28:6,7).
These are just nine prophecies, and by analyzing the circumstances surrounding each one, we come up with an a priori likelihood of each taking place. When we do this, the statistical calculation of a single person fulfilling all nine gives a ridiculously improbable number. There may have been several people born in Bethlehem and crucified during the years Rome ruled the world, but few would have been buried with the rich even though they died with the wicked, after having been betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, after having ridden into town on a donkey and hailed as King. Jesus didn’t just ride into town on a donkey; the people crowded Him to lay down palm branches and welcome Him, calling “Hosanna” and celebrating Him as the Son of David - the Messiah, the King (Mark 11:1-10; John 12:12-16). Then, above all else, He rose again from the dead! Remember, these are just nine verses. There are more than 300 to take into consideration.

The main point is that these prophecies establish Jesus’ identity with more certainty than probably any other person on the face of the earth. I’m more certain that Jesus Christ is the Messiah of Israel that I am of my own name, and I can demonstrate that mathematically.

(taken from Chuck Missler -- https://www.khouse.org/articles/2021/1417/)

Imagine someone today claiming to be the Christ. We have had many cult leaders, how many were born in Bethlehem? Probably none, but even if you did have one, did he ride into Jerusalem on a donkey? Was he betrayed for thirty pieces of silver? No one uses "pieces of silver" for a currency anymore. Obviously even if those three things had taken place the transaction did not take place in the temple. Also what penalty today would cause your hands to be pierced? Was this person killed with the criminals for a capital offense and then buried with the rich? We don't crucify anyone these days. So these false Christs who are going to come are very clearly a lie.
 

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Jeremiah 5:1-14 -- “How did we get here?” Senator Durbin

1 Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it.

Senator Durbin asked “how did we get here?” He was troubled by the process of confirming Amy Coney Barrett. Apparently she would not respond to any questions about her beliefs or thoughts on relevant issues like Climate Change and whether or not a President could take certain unilateral actions. How did we get here? Think about the Kavanaugh hearing and the Clarence Thomas hearing. Think about what the Supreme court rulings on abortion have done. Instead of asking about the US constitution they want to know if you are going to support this ruling which half the country thinks is an outrage. How did we get here, that is the question.

2 And though they say, The Lord liveth; surely they swear falsely.

The Senators are false. For example, look at the outrage that a justice has been nominated during an election year. There have been 29 justices nominated during an election year. The only example of one not being nominated was when Lincoln was President. A vacancy opened up less than a month before the election and the Senate was not in session. Even if he had nominated someone they couldn’t have confirmed them. However, the day the Senate did return he nominated someone and they were confirmed 24 hours later.

3 O Lord, are not thine eyes upon the truth? thou hast stricken them, but they have not grieved; thou hast consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction: they have made their faces harder than a rock; they have refused to return.

This is what happens when you try to defend a lie. The lie is that the US constitution protects the right to an abortion. It doesn’t say anything about abortion and therefore according to the US constitution if it isn’t covered by them it is up to the States to decide individually and the US Supreme court has no jurisdiction. The lie they are trying to cover up is that the deep state was directing Twitter to block the Hunter Biden laptop story because they were fixing the election. The lie is that they used FTX to launder money through Ukraine to the Democratic party.

4 Therefore I said, Surely these are poor; they are foolish: for they know not the way of the Lord, nor the judgment of their God. 5 I will get me unto the great men, and will speak unto them; for they have known the way of the Lord, and the judgment of their God: but these have altogether broken the yoke, and burst the bonds.

When I was growing up you had the thought that the Supreme court justices were great men who understood the way of the Lord and the judgement of God. That has been shown to be altogether false. You thought the FBI and CIA were great men, false. You thought the President was a great man, false. You thought billionaires were great men, false. Why do you think we have protests where no one trusts those in authority? The Warren commission gave their seal of approval on a bogus investigation of JFK’s assassination. The 911 commission gave their seal of approval on a bogus investigation. Slanderous hearings during the confirmation of Supreme court justices, they have altogether broken the yoke and burst the bonds.

6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evenings shall spoil them, a leopard shall watch over their cities: every one that goeth out thence shall be torn in pieces: because their transgressions are many, and their backslidings are increased.

These protests, riots and looting are about to get very, very bad. Why? One senator said it well, when Obama was elected he was not happy, but he accepted the outcome as the will of the people. When Trump was elected many high ranking officials did not accept the outcome. They said he wasn’t their president, etc. They set an example for the rest of the country. Imagine how much worse it will be now that the evidence comes out that the election was stolen? We know that the polls have been rigged. Telling the American people that Clinton was a shoe in also led to the sense that the election had been stolen. They are reaping what they sowed in their lies and in their disrespect of the many Americans that support him and voted for him. When they speak so disrespectfully of the President that he is a racist it infers that all those who voted for him must also be racist. It is one thing to disagree with those who are a different political party, but to slander them all with a broad brush results in a tit for tat. As a result those on the right see the left as nothing but liars. Now consider the rest of the world as they learn the truth about the pandemic and the vaccine. The movie "Died Suddenly" has been seen by 20 million people. No doubt those in positions of power worldwide are now aware of this. Russia has evidence of what the US was doing with their bioweapons labs. They will slay them, spoil them and tear them to pieces.

7 How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots' houses. 8 They were as fed horses in the morning: every one neighed after his neighbour's wife. 9 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the Lord: and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

Let’s be honest here. The US was blessed by God, we were fed to the full, and as a whole this country has committed adultery and assembled themselves in the harlots’ houses. Pornography has grown exponentially in this country through some loophole with cable TV and the internet. The corruption you see in government with the politicians is a kind of adultery. They have a covenant with the American people but have sold themselves to the corporate interests.

10 Go ye up upon her walls, and destroy; but make not a full end: take away her battlements; for they are not the Lord's. 11 For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the Lord.

The believers who are filled with the Holy Spirit have been a wall to this country. Yes, they have been despised and mocked, but they have kept out the horrors you can see around the world. We have not been occupied with other armies. We have not had acts of war take place on our land since 1812 until Pearl Harbor and then 9/11. 9/11 was a breach in the wall, a warning, that that wall will be destroyed with her battlements taken away when the rapture takes place. There are two kinds of genuine Christians: preachers of righteousness and righteous men. The preachers of righteousness, like Noah, are the battlements. They will be taken in the rapture. The righteous men, like Lot, will not be taken. So the Lord will not make a full end of the wall.

12 They have belied the Lord, and said, It is not he; neither shall evil come upon us; neither shall we see sword nor famine: 13 And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them.

They have mocked the Lord and His servants, they despise them, so they will discover what happens in this country when you take them away. Think how arrogant Americans are to think that we will not see sword or famine in this country, so that is going to change very quickly. What about the prophets where the word is not in them? They will be left behind where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. They will have to go through the Great tribulation.

14 Wherefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

They are saying this is not from God. The Pandemic is not a warning. So then, it has been determined.
 

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The Beast

Revelation 13:4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

13:15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

One thing is very clear in Revelation, this Beast that it is talking about ascends out of the bottomless pit during the 70th week, the last 7 year period before Israel sees Jesus descend on the clouds.

We know that the beast must refer to some super computer system that is like a credit card and social credit score for billions of people. However, "who can make war with the beast" also indicates that it is an army. We learned this week that Musk and Neuralink will begin attaching human brains to a super computer that is controlled by AI. Imagine an army of cyborgs that all had the absolute best intelligence at the fastest download speed. That would be a phenomenal advantage. Imagine they are run by an AI with better tactical skills than the best chess players in the world and better strategic skills than the best Go players in the world. Who would be able to make war with him? You have the best general communicating directly with each and every soldier in milliseconds of time with the best intelligence. This AI would also control drones, robots, cameras, etc. It would be like the super computer we saw in the movie "Eagle Eye".

But now here is my point, if the beast is here then you are in the 70th week and according to Musk the Beast will be here in a few months. The second point is that the 70th week is a "shemitah" a seven year period that begins at the feast of trumpets. A new shemitah just started a few weeks ago, so if we are not in the 70th week now then you would have to wait another 7 years, but we are going to have the beast rise prior to that.

Therefore this announcement by Musk is evidence that we are in the 70th week of Daniel.

The 5 red heifers that arrived in Israel at the feast of trumpets is also evidence that we are in the 70th week.

The "messiah" that the rabbis are talking about and that met with the Prime minister is evidence that we are in the 70th week.

The new ten commandments that this multi faith union has adopted is evidence that we are in the 70th week.
 

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The image of the beast


They are working on reading brainwaves. What AI needs is a lot of data. So if you hook up a million people like Elon Musk is talking about where they will be communicating back and forth with an AI machine continuously, the AI will be getting that massive data it needs. Not only so, but sending a signal to the person and seeing how the brain responds to it and likewise having the person talk back to the AI while it is also reading your brain will be the highest quality data.

It will not be long before they don't need electrodes in your brain to read your brain.

All ready we are using AI for lie detection. Now this works both ways, if you become an expert on detecting lies you are also an expert on lying. So not only are we using AI to detect lies but also using AI for deep fakes. And that deceitful liar is "the image of the beast"

 

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Worshipping the image of the Beast

Revelation 13:14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.


It is very easy to see why liars, thieves, slanderers and murderers would worship these deep fake images.
 

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Matthew 6:14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

I had a revelation about this verse today. Many years ago my son was in 5th grade and he had a para. The situation at school became untenable and the more I heard about it the more I felt that the para was responsible. He was going to go to a new school in 6th grade and she wanted us to request that she stay with my son. I felt she was not doing a good job and was even clearly responsible for the situation getting more and more miserable for my son. So I made it clear that we would not be requesting her and as a result she really acted with malice to harm our son as much as she could.

Later I learned that the city had changed the rules for paras and if they don't have a degree they will lose their job. The exception is if they are taking care of a kid and the parents request them to continue. She didn't have a degree, so if we did not request her she lost her job. She was making our son's life miserable in hopes that we would feel he wouldn't survive in the new school without a para. She was doing this discreetly through other kids in the class, but I was able to figure out she had to be behind it since I was a teacher and knew that what I was hearing from my son should not take place while she is sitting right there.

Now generally you expect that in order to forgive someone that they must first confess and repent. But are there any sins that you committed that you never got to talk to the person you wronged? I can forgive her and then if the Lord bothers her and she repents to Him He also is clear to forgive her.

OK, but it seems to me that I should have taken a different path, where was my sin, what was it that I did wrong? Then it hit me, I should have pulled my son out of the school long before we even got to the worst of the worst. Instead of going on to a different school if I had simply said I am going to homeschool him then she could not have done anything nor would he have had to go through that torture in 5th grade. I had homeschooled my two oldest kids but since he would be by himself I was reluctant to do it. Ultimately I did homeschool him, pulling him out of the new school after the first two weeks. Suffice it to say the malice she inflicted on him followed him to the new school.

But that is where I went wrong. The Lord was speaking to me to pull my kid out and homeschool him. I didn't want to and so He used this woman to make it so I would.

In other words, when I forgave her then I also was forgiven. I then got the revelation that this was God's move and my sin was not in obeying God's word. Because my son was homeschooled for three years his reading comprehension became very strong. At the time he needed 3 therapists, a para, an occupational therapist, a physical therapist and a speech therapist. When I homeschooled him we were able to spend much more time with his violin lessons and they worked to give him fine motor skills (occupational therapy) and they tuned his ear to perfect pitch (speech therapy). I then asked why he would need a physical therapist and para when he was in high school and they told me because he couldn't walk up stairs without holding the rail and so it was a safety issue. So what we did the summer before he started the 9th grade was to hike up mountains in the Adirondacks. A few months later I had him tested again and he no longer needed to hold onto handrails to go up the stairs and as a result he didn't need a para for HS.

So the revelation I got is that the people who "sin" against us might have been prompted by the Lord because we weren't listening to Him when He spoke. If you forgive them then you can get past that sin to see that the Lord was speaking to you and so you can obey the Lord's speaking and He can forgive you. How does the Lord know that you have forgiven them? Because you see that what they did was under the sovereignty of the Lord and that the real sin was you ignored the Lord's speaking to you.
 

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Christmas -- Introduction

If you have read this blog you know there are many watchmen out there and they are looking at the feasts of the Lord. They consider Pentecost, Passover, Hanukah, Tabernacles, and even 2nd Passover. However, these are all Old Testament feasts, appointed days for the old testament and the rapture is part of the New Testament. So although I appreciate the deep dive into the Old Testament Convocations, I also feel that for the rapture we should be looking to the New testament.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Now it seems to me if the God of the Old testament had appointed times then Jesus in the New Testament would also have appointed times. He has charged us and the apostles have also charged us to keep the Lord's table. That is our appointed time.

Now these watchmen are also very big into the calendar from the Old Testament. But that calendar was part of the Old Covenant. When Jesus was crucified that covenant was cut off and we have a new covenant. I believe this is of God. You can't keep that calendar, the whole world must keep this new calendar. I believe that also is of God. Jesus is Lord, all things are under His sovereignty, so this calendar and the Lord's day is also under His sovereignty. So although I appreciate the deep dive into the Old Testament calendar I also feel that the rapture will not be part of the Old Covenant appointed days but part of the New Covenant.

The rapture is the wedding of the Lord and in the type of Jacob he married two women, Leah represents the gentiles (she had blue eyes) and Rachel represents the Jews. Why would Leah's wedding day be on one of the Jewish feast days? That never made sense to me. Jesus said no one knows the day or the hour, so how could you think it was one of the Old Testament feast days, everyone knew those days.

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

To me what this verse is saying is not that no one will know, but that at the time of Jesus speaking to the apostles no one "knew". It isn't reasonable to say that no one would know because Jesus said that not knowing the day and hour was the punishment to those in Sardis.

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

There is nothing in the NT that says Jesus won't tell us, only that if we are not watching we won't know. Taken together I believe this is telling us that the rapture will be a NT day, a day not mentioned in the OT, and a day that had not yet been revealed to the apostles, but a day that would be revealed to those who were watching for His return prior to that return.

However, we also know that after the rapture the Antichrist is revealed. There is nothing in the NT or OT that says no one will know the day that the antichrist is revealed, so instead of focusing on the rapture why not ask yourself what would be the big day for the Antichrist to be revealed. When you ask about the Antichrist you are immediately brought to our two major Christian holidays: Christmas and Easter. They both have very strong links to Babylonian worship. But of the two Christmas is clearly tied to the Antichrist (it is the birthday of a Babylonian god who prefigures the antichrist). Santa in his red suit is a figure of Satan. The magical elves are a figure of the fallen angels. The distribution of gifts throughout the entire earth in a single night is a mockery of the rapture. Coming down the chimney in the middle of the night is "like a thief in the night". The letter to Santa teaches children to have materialistic prayers and to worship materialism. Even though the world and Hollywood mock Jesus they worship Christmas, another indication that his is the worship of the Antichrist. "You better watch out because Santa Claus is watching you and knows when you have been bad or good" is a direct reference to the social credit score and mark of the beast that the Antichrist will bring in. This is not new, many Christians know this, they know Jesus was not born on Christmas day and so they don't want to celebrate this holiday. However, if you don't celebrate Christmas you are "the grinch" or you are "the scrooge", your heart is too small, you hate little crippled kids, and they put maximum pressure on you to celebrate this with your kids. When you celebrate this what do they do? They label gifts as being from "Santa", the parents pretend that Santa magically came in the middle of the night while they were sleeping. In other words they celebrate this holiday with a lie and they take the people that kids trust, their parents, to spread this lie, and then when kids grow up they learn the truth and they learn not to trust their parents. The idea is to associate this lie with the Bible even though this entire story is not in the Bible. "No lie is of the truth". This holiday is a big, giant celebration of a lie. Christmas is a great delusion given by God to those who do not love the truth. How will you feel if one day you wake up on Christmas morning and learn you have exchanged the Christ of glory for some junk from the mall? You would feel like you were robbed. Why? You knew that the entire thing was a big delusion but for some reason you embraced the lie and rejected the truth.

Therefore I think that Christmas day is the best day to reveal the antichrist, the best day for those who are left behind to understand why.

Amos 8:10 I will turn your feasts into mourning, And all your songs into lamentation; I will bring sackcloth on every waist, And baldness on every head; I will make it like mourning for an only son, And its end like a bitter day.


What celebration do the Christians have that are filled with joyful songs that will be turned to lamentation? We don't have Easter carols. We have Christmas parties (feasts) and Christmas carols. If the rapture takes place at the Christmas season then the feasts would be turned to mourning and the carols to lamentation. At the time of the Apostles there were no Christmas carols, there were no Christmas feasts. So then it makes perfect sense the Lord would tell them that no on knows the day or the hour.

So then it seems to me the ideal time to reveal the antichrist and expose the apostasy is during the Christmas season. It also seems to me that it is reasonable that the believers would know the day and hour if they have been watching and waiting and listening to the Lord.

However, there is another side to Christmas, that is Christmas eve. I will discuss that in the next post.
 

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Christmas -- #2

I will turn your Christmas carols into lamentation

Amos 8:10 I will turn your feasts into mourning, And all your songs into lamentation; I will bring sackcloth on every waist, And baldness on every head; I will make it like mourning for an only son, And its end like a bitter day.

I have taken some verses from Christmas carols, let's see if you were sitting here after the rapture, you have been left behind, would these songs become lamentations?

Joy to the world, the Lord has come. -- ouch!

Lete earth receive her king. Let every heart prepare Him room -- ouch!

How about this one.

Then rang the bells more loud and deep, God is not dead, nor does he sleep (peace on earth, peace on earth), The wrong shall fail, the right prevail -- ouch!

How about this one

Bless all the dear children, In Thy tender care, And take us to Heaven, To live with Thee there

I heard that at the rapture all the babies under 2 will be taken.

How about this

Mild He lays His Glory by
Born that man no more may die
Born to raise the sons of earth
Born to give them second birth



Hark! the herald angels sing
Glory to the new-born King


And what about this

O come, O come, Emmanuel, And ransom captive Israel, That mourns in lonely exile here, Until the Son of God appear

[Refrain]
Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel, Shall come to thee, O Israel


He came, you missed it. He told you He would come and you didn't believe Him.

O come, Thou Rod of Jesse, free, Thine own from Satan’s tyranny, From depths of Hell Thy people save, And give them victory o’er the grave

If you had believed him you would have had victory over the grave, but now you are going to go through the depths of hell and be subject to Satan's tyranny.

O come, Thou Key of David, come, And open wide our heavenly home, Make safe the way that leads on high, And close the path to misery

Yes, this carol will be a lamentation.

O holy night! The stars are brightly shining, It is the night of our dear Saviour’s birth. Long lay the world in sin and error pining, Till He appear’d and the soul felt its worth.

A thrill of hope, the weary world rejoices, For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn. Fall on your knees! O hear the angel voices! O night divine, O night when Christ was born; O night divine, O night, O night Divine.

Again, all true. He told you what was coming and you did not believe.

O little town of Bethlehem, How still we see thee lie, Above thy deep and dreamless sleep, The silent stars go by, Yet in thy dark streets shineth, The everlasting Light, The hopes and fears of all the years, Are met in thee tonight

Yes, you realize there was a little town of Bethlehem, and there were those who had their hope set on Christ and they met Him this night and you knew about it and ignored it.

So I’ll cherish the old rugged Cross, Till my trophies at last I lay down, I will cling to the old rugged Cross, And exchange it some day for a crown

I'm guessing you didn't cherish the old rugged cross. I'm guessing your trophies were your pride and joy.

Now these hymns begin playing on the radio after Thanksgiving, however, the big night for singing these hymns is Christmas eve. Suppose the rapture takes place a week before Christmas. Then the Christmas eve service is the feast that is turned to mourning and the songs which are turned to lamentations. The following day Antichrist is revealed.

Suppose you are attending a church. They have all their Christmas decorations up, they have taught you all about Christmas but never talked about the rapture. You are going to feel robbed and cheated.
 

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Christmas #3

Why would the Lord Jesus who is Lord of all and sovereign over all things allow the church to celebrate His birth on the birthday of a Babylonian God who is a type of the antichrist?

On the other hand, if the Antichrist is revealed after the rapture, you would think that this day of the rapture would be very close to the birthday of the Antichrist.

2Thessalonians 2:6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

The lawless one will be revealed "in his own time". Could "his own time" refer to his birthday?
 

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The Biggest sign of the 70th week so far

The beast in the book of Revelation rises out of the bottomless pit during the tribulation. Therefore when you see the beast rising you know you are in the tribulation and you know that the bottomless pit has been opened.

Joe Allen Discusses The Link Between The Book Of Revelations And Transhumanism

https://rumble.com/v1ycw4w-joe-alle...n-the-book-of-revelations-and-transhuman.html

Joe Allen Gives His Analysis Of Neuralink Presentation

https://rumble.com/v1ycw74-joe-allen-gives-his-analysis-of-neuralink-presentation.html
 

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Isaiah 4 "This will never happen" and then when it does it is "glorious".

1 And in that day seven women will take hold of one man, saying, “We will eat our own food and wear [and provide] our own clothes; only let us be called by your name; take away our shame [of being unmarried].”

Talk about politically incorrect. I would say in the last one hundred years the US and the rest of the world following the US has gone in exactly the opposite direction. If you suggested that the women’s movement would lead to more single mothers, more poverty and more domestic abuse you would be slammed. That is not happening and boy will you deserve it when it does happen. Anyone who suggested a slippery slope was a bigot. This has brought in a caste system of the elites who are the enlightened and see women’s liberation movement as a great development while anyone who would question it is the deplorable caste. You need to celebrate women pastors. If you question whether this goes against the Bible then clearly you and Paul and the apostles are misogynists. Celebrate women’s freedom from being under the thumb of a man and if you question the need for two parent families then you are the closed minded bigot. But sure as the sun rises in the east this did lead to poverty, single parent mothers and domestic violence. So they then gave you the solution of killing those babies and Roe v. Wade somehow skipped the whole legislative process and was inserted into the constitution between the lines. Will the women’s right movement lead to many unwanted pregnancies and a rise in abortions? "That will not happen" and once it is obvious that is happening then that is a “glorious” thing. It was soon clear that the majority of Americans disliked the direction the country was taking and so you were told to accept what you were getting and learn to like it. Very quickly this became a very sharp dividing line between Christians and non christians. The christians were insulted and soon became the lower caste of those infantile people stuck with the outdated ideas of a 2,000 year old book. This is when good became evil and evil became good. It was a march of “progress” with the LGBTQ rules. Anyone who noticed that they were training five year olds to become drag queens was an evil bigot, anyone who suggested that there might be harm in giving children puberty blocking drugs was shouted down as an evil bigot who probably bullied others as a kid. Anyone who suggested that the trans laws would lead to women’s locker rooms with naked men walking around was an idiot, liar, and bigot. Then if you talk about where all this will lead they accuse you of wishing for that outcome. This will lead to the US becoming Sodom and Gomorrah, that is an evil lie. Go one step further and say this will cause God to rain down His judgement on us just as He did then, well then this is because you are wishing for that outcome and it shows how cruel the Bible really is. This brings us to where we are now with the whole evangelical christians are worthless and deplorable and if they try to leave we’ll kill you.

But in the end the truth will come out. They have led us down a path of destruction, the whole country will come to realize that and there will be great shame in what they have done.

2 In that day the Branch of the Lord will be splendid and glorious, and the fruit of the land will be excellent and lovely to those of Israel who have survived. 3 It will come to pass that he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy (set apart for God)—everyone who is recorded for [eternal] life in Jerusalem. 4 When the Lord has washed away the [moral] filth of the daughters of Zion and has cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning, 5 then the Lord will create over the entire site of Mount Zion and over her assemblies, a cloud by day, smoke, and the brightness of a flaming fire by night; for over all the glory and brilliance will be a canopy [a defense, a covering of His divine love and protection]. 6 And there will be a pavilion for shade from the heat by day, and a refuge and a shelter from the storm and the rain.

This is a nice picture of the end of the age, completely politically incorrect, sure to enrage some, but the word of God stands to this day.

The Lord is comparing the situation to a woman who is completely soiled with filth and blood. The end of the age is like taking a shower where all of that filth is washed off and down the drain. No doubt there are people today looking at verse 1 and saying never, “I will never do that”. This is true, you will be washed off during the tribulation and you will go down the drain. The “day of the Lord” and particularly the last seven years of this age is a time of God power washing the earth. A whole lot of filth will be washed away. Verse 1 is not talking about everyone today, it is talking about everyone “in that day”. There will be a whole lot of people who don’t make it to that day.
 

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Samson -- "Let me die with the Philistines"!

Judges 16:23 Now the Philistine lords gathered together to offer a great sacrifice to Dagon their god, and to celebrate, for they said,

“Our god has given Samson our enemy into our hands!”
24 When the people saw Samson, they praised their god, for they said,
“Our god has handed over our enemy to us,
The ravager of our country,

Who has killed many of us.”

Right now they are doing the January 6th investigation and it is the fulfillment of this story. Samson would be the MAGA movement and Delilah would be the deep state. The Nazarite vow is very strict about not drinking wine (don't get help from the deep state) and don't let a razor cut your hair. Your hair is cut when you violate that vow. January 6th was a major violation of that vow. Granted the majority of those who were the assault force of the insurrection were not MAGA but enough MAGA got suckered into the ploy. This is what happens when you try to follow the Lord without truly being trained in the way of the Lord.

25 Now when they were in high spirits, they said, “Call for Samson, so that he may amuse us.” So they called Samson out of the prison, and he entertained them. They made him stand between the pillars. 26 Then Samson said to the boy who held him by the hand, “Let me feel the pillars on which the [roof of the] house rests, so that I may lean against them.” 27 Now the house was full of men and women; all the Philistine lords were there, and on the flat roof were about three thousand men and women who looked on while Samson was entertaining them.

This investigation will be a great amusement to Cheney, Pelosi, Schumer, and many of the other leaders and officials of the Philistines who lead our country. The temple of Dagon is in fact the Capitol building. Dagon is the god of the deep state.

Samson Is Avenged

28 Then Samson called to the Lord and said, “O Lord God, please remember me and please strengthen me just this one time, O God, and let me take vengeance on the Philistines for my two eyes.” 29 Samson took hold of the two middle [support] pillars on which the house rested, and braced himself against them, one with his right hand and the other with his left. 30 And Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines!” And he stretched out with all his might [collapsing the support pillars], and the house fell on the lords and on all the people who were in it. So the dead whom he killed at his death were more than those whom he had killed during his life. 31 Then his brothers and his father’s entire [tribal] household came down, took him, and brought him up; and they buried him in the tomb of Manoah his father, [which was] between Zorah and Eshtaol. So Samson had judged Israel for twenty years.

One mistake they have made is to give these ones in prison twenty three months to think about it, to pray, to open to the Lord, to repent of their errors and to see how cruel and evil they really are. The deep state is like a huge snake that lives off of rodents, rats, and other small animals. Swallowing Samson is a mistake that will burst this snake in two. Samson is going to die but he is going to take the deep state with him. Not only so but the fallout from this Jan 6th investigation will be more destructive to the deep state than everything the MAGA movement has done up to this point. Jesus is the strong man, He will use this investigation to bring judgment and destruction on this "Dagon worshipping" deep state.
 

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Christmas #4


Luke 9:28 Now it came to pass, about eight days after these sayings, that He took Peter, John, and James and went up on the mountain to pray.

This is a key piece to the puzzle of the rapture. This is referring to the mount of transfiguration. In Matthew it says it is after six days which we take to mean it is after 6,000 years from Adam. But here is says "about eight days". Now the Lord's day is the eighth day so I felt this was a reference to the Lord's day.


However, on the eighth day God called Moses and Aaron. On the eighth day a male child is circumcised. And on the eighth day you can offer a lamb or calf to the Lord.

I say this because Hanukkah means "dedication" and the rapture is a dedication to God, Enoch signifies the first rapture and his name means dedication, and Christmas is the eighth day of Hanukkah.