Sheep, and wolves
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Exactly zone, stop being angry, love VW even though you think he is NOT a Prophet, at least for the love of Christ. VW stop hating zone too and stop starting threads to call her names indirectly, it's very annoying. Threads to attack people other than edify people shouldn't come from a *Prophet* 
I don't disbelieve you though, Not left for me to judge
I don't disbelieve you though, Not left for me to judge
The rules of this group are that there are to be no personal attacks, but rather open discussion about topics and ideas and teaching and even prophecies. But the trend has been growing, (it has been here since I joined,) to attack the person who is disagreed with. To make judgments about a specific person based on what they post is the problem here. I started this thread to show just how much this happens. And how fast it happens.
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I did not say he was prophet. I did not say he wasn't one. I said whatever he experienced had increased his faith and that he should not expect others to believe him, they must have their own words and dreams or whatever from the Lord.
"...if these things (charisms and miracles) are meant to concern others besides the immediate eyewitnesses alone. they lose their validity as soon as related to others, because for the others who are not eyewitnesses the miracles become articles of faith. Instead of proving something they themselves need proving. Each (indiivudal or) age then needs the showing forth of the spirit and his power (to give their own life in the religion vitality)" (see Come, Creator Spirit by R. Cantalamessa.)
"...if these things (charisms and miracles) are meant to concern others besides the immediate eyewitnesses alone. they lose their validity as soon as related to others, because for the others who are not eyewitnesses the miracles become articles of faith. Instead of proving something they themselves need proving. Each (indiivudal or) age then needs the showing forth of the spirit and his power (to give their own life in the religion vitality)" (see Come, Creator Spirit by R. Cantalamessa.)
My friend, I dont want others to believe me. That way would be death for them. I have never posted a word of prophecy and said that you must believe it. Believe or dont believe, that is up to the person hearing.
What I do say, over and over again, is that we must hear the voice of God, in our hearts. That if anyone's word or post or saying or teaching brings conviction in our hearts from the Holy Spirit, then we must listen to that.
There is not a need for signs and wonders except among the unbelieving. The only sign that the believer needs, that the child of God needs, is the conviction and the leading that is from the heart, which is where God lives in them.
I know this because of the sign you speak of. I was a person looking at times for a sign, and trusting with all my heart in what I had learned from scriptures. But I did not understand the holiness of God, and that we are to be holy, with His holiness, or we will not see Him. For every scripture that says we have been cleansed, there are at least 2, and maybe 3 that tell us that we are to be holy, that we are not to continue in sin, that we are to live lives that are pleasing to God. But these are ignored for the most part, because they are hard to hear.
All of my time in this group has been a cry for the bride to open herself up to the Spirit of Christ, and if she has done this, then to open herself up even more, so that she might shine like the stars of heaven, beautiful beyond belief to our God and to our Husband to be. For the only true beauty we can ever have is His love, which comes by the Holy Spirit.
What I do say, over and over again, is that we must hear the voice of God, in our hearts. That if anyone's word or post or saying or teaching brings conviction in our hearts from the Holy Spirit, then we must listen to that.
There is not a need for signs and wonders except among the unbelieving. The only sign that the believer needs, that the child of God needs, is the conviction and the leading that is from the heart, which is where God lives in them.
I know this because of the sign you speak of. I was a person looking at times for a sign, and trusting with all my heart in what I had learned from scriptures. But I did not understand the holiness of God, and that we are to be holy, with His holiness, or we will not see Him. For every scripture that says we have been cleansed, there are at least 2, and maybe 3 that tell us that we are to be holy, that we are not to continue in sin, that we are to live lives that are pleasing to God. But these are ignored for the most part, because they are hard to hear.
All of my time in this group has been a cry for the bride to open herself up to the Spirit of Christ, and if she has done this, then to open herself up even more, so that she might shine like the stars of heaven, beautiful beyond belief to our God and to our Husband to be. For the only true beauty we can ever have is His love, which comes by the Holy Spirit.
I am the Pharisee that you must deal with. I am the one that has found eternal life through the scriptures. I am the one that you must reckon with concerning the authenticity of your gift. I am the one that you must submit to in the truth of my words. If you do not submit to the sabbath you shall surely be condemned with the others. If your gift proves to be one of falsehood, you shall never be allowed in the temple nor able to approach the presence of God. If you do not repent of your multiple violations and transgressions of the law you shall be judged by God from on high and perish with the others. If you do not understand these things you will be responsible for your ignorance.
This Pharisee has actually been kinder and of greater mercy then some of the prophecies I have seen on this site concerning the corruption and condemnation of the church and its believers.
And how do you know if the doctrines you have from scripture, or from your pastor, or from the book you read, is the doctrines that please God?
Because they come from scripture? Or because you have been taught by the unction which God has given you, for this very purpose, whether it be from scripture or a book or a letter or a teacher?
People teach and believe, based upon scripture, that all christians should handle snakes, poisonous and venomous snakes. People believe, again based upon scripture, that one must speak in tongues in order to be saved. And again, people believe, based upon scripture, that if one does not confess their sins, every last one of them, that they risk hell.
The list is endless.
All of the doctrines I believe and teach are found in scripture. But this does not mean that scripture is where I received them from, because scripture alone was never intended to be the guide for our lives, (this is what doctrines are, guides for our lives, as they define what we belief about God and our relationship with Him.)
Paul stated emphatically that everyone who is led by the Spirit of God is a child of God. He wrote that all those who are putting to death the deeds of the flesh by the Spirit will live.
So, yes, what I teach is found in the scriptures, but I would not say it is based upon scripture, rather it is based upon the power of God to change us from creatures of darkness into His dear children, by His indwelling Spirit.
And that too is found in scripture. The Spirit of Christ Jesus, the Spirit of truth, the Spirit of love. And yet, watch and find just how many find fault with this statement of belief.
My faith does not rest on anything other than the power of God who has made His abode within my heart. It is by this indwelling that scripture became something to me other than death and condemnation, and because alive as my Father in heaven spoke to me through these very letters. But before He spoke to me through these letters, they were not life, but rather an invitation to life.
The Holy Spirit is the seal of our adaption as sons. He is indispensable. He is vitally important. He is God in us, Jesus in us, the hope of glory.
Because they come from scripture? Or because you have been taught by the unction which God has given you, for this very purpose, whether it be from scripture or a book or a letter or a teacher?
People teach and believe, based upon scripture, that all christians should handle snakes, poisonous and venomous snakes. People believe, again based upon scripture, that one must speak in tongues in order to be saved. And again, people believe, based upon scripture, that if one does not confess their sins, every last one of them, that they risk hell.
The list is endless.
All of the doctrines I believe and teach are found in scripture. But this does not mean that scripture is where I received them from, because scripture alone was never intended to be the guide for our lives, (this is what doctrines are, guides for our lives, as they define what we belief about God and our relationship with Him.)
Paul stated emphatically that everyone who is led by the Spirit of God is a child of God. He wrote that all those who are putting to death the deeds of the flesh by the Spirit will live.
So, yes, what I teach is found in the scriptures, but I would not say it is based upon scripture, rather it is based upon the power of God to change us from creatures of darkness into His dear children, by His indwelling Spirit.
And that too is found in scripture. The Spirit of Christ Jesus, the Spirit of truth, the Spirit of love. And yet, watch and find just how many find fault with this statement of belief.
My faith does not rest on anything other than the power of God who has made His abode within my heart. It is by this indwelling that scripture became something to me other than death and condemnation, and because alive as my Father in heaven spoke to me through these very letters. But before He spoke to me through these letters, they were not life, but rather an invitation to life.
The Holy Spirit is the seal of our adaption as sons. He is indispensable. He is vitally important. He is God in us, Jesus in us, the hope of glory.
I am the Pharisee that you must deal with. I am the one that has found eternal life through the scriptures. I am the one that you must reckon with concerning the authenticity of your gift. I am the one that you must submit to in the truth of my words. If you do not submit to the sabbath you shall surely be condemned with the others. If your gift proves to be one of falsehood, you shall never be allowed in the temple nor able to approach the presence of God. If you do not repent of your multiple violations and transgressions of the law you shall be judged by God from on high and perish with the others. If you do not understand these things you will be responsible for your ignorance.
This Pharisee has actually been kinder and of greater mercy then some of the prophecies I have seen on this site concerning the corruption and condemnation of the church and its believers.
The Pharisees were leading a whole nation into death and destruction and damnation and eternal condemnation. I have a hard time defending them in any way, especially seeing how Jesus condemned them.
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i would kindly suggest you take a quiter more respectful tone (not to me but to others) and focus on the scriptures God ha given you. Because if they have berathed life into your faith and are spirit led they will find an audience who will respnd with repentance and encouragement.
But arguing spitefully about your gifts is not going to convince all of whom you want to convince.
But arguing spitefully about your gifts is not going to convince all of whom you want to convince.
L
Arguing spitefully won't convince anyone it will only turn people away
2 Corinthians 5:20
(20) Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
We are ambassadors for Christ and an ambassador never gives his own word only the word of the king. So yes we should be giving Bible, the Bible has power to change peoples lives our words do not, the Bible is the sword of the spirit our words are not.
1 Peter 1:23
(23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Ephesians 6:17
(17) And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
2 Corinthians 5:20
(20) Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
We are ambassadors for Christ and an ambassador never gives his own word only the word of the king. So yes we should be giving Bible, the Bible has power to change peoples lives our words do not, the Bible is the sword of the spirit our words are not.
1 Peter 1:23
(23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Ephesians 6:17
(17) And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: