Technological Signs relating to Christ’s Coming are being fulfilled.

[cv5]

I don't delve into areas I am not sure about.

Then why downvote what you cannot understand? Really, I see nothing whatsoever from you that moves me the slightest from my "futurist premillenial" view. And never have in all my days here on CC.

Same goes the the pre-trib rapture. I cruised dozens of threads, and have not seen the SLIGHTEST evidence that post-tribbers are correct.
Pre-trib wins hand down on every single thread. It's not even close. In fact every thread bolsters the pre-trib case because the posties fail so miserable.

 

[HeIsHere]

Do you really think all of that happened in 70 A.D.?

Biased question, you lack an open mind. Never good we must always test our understanding, always.

Do you really think you can understand the Book of Revelation in a literal manner?

 

[HeIsHere]

Then why downvote what you cannot understand? Really, I see nothing whatsoever from you that moves me the slightest from my "futurist premillenial" view. And never have in all my days here on CC.

Same goes the the pre-trib rapture. I cruised dozens of threads, and have not seen the SLIGHTEST evidence that post-tribbers are correct.
Pre-trib wins hand down on every single thread. It's not even close. In fact every thread bolsters the pre-trib case because the posties fail so miserable.

I did not give you any down votes, I checked my profile.

And I did not say I cannot understand.

Fine stay where you are and in thirty years you will still be waiting for a rapture.

I trust Jesus, "this generation"....He pointed to the temple.

But Jesus turned to them and said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children.
Luke 23:28

Jesus knew what was coming.

 

[cv5]

I don't delve into areas I am not sure about.

What you don't have is evidence that supports your position, which itself is undefined.
I do not see you posting Scriptures and valid support arguments, therefore you have lost your case.

The futurists have won in a landslide based on VAST overwhelming evidence.

Sorry have to put you back on ignore. Busy elsewhere.

 

[HeIsHere]

Denying God's MANY Biblical prophetic infallible unilateral promises to fully redeem the Nation Israel to Himself at His return is the preterist way, this much is true.

But since scripture cannot be broken, it's going to happen anyway. So do yourself a favor and believe it.

He did.

He gave them Christ Jesus.

 

[HeIsHere]

What you don't have is evidence that supports your position, which itself is undefined.
I do not see you posting Scriptures and valid support arguments, therefore you have lost your case.

The futurists have won in a landslide based on VAST overwhelming evidence.

Sorry have to put you back on ignore. Busy elsewhere.

You put me on ignore for lack of evidence. That is hilarious.

"This generation" start with that!!

 

[HeIsHere]

Oh I do trust the words of Jesus,,,it's being told that everything is fulfilled in prophecy by some without them being able to explain when and how that I distrust.

Do you think the Book of Revelation can be understood literally on all points?

Or is figurative language often employed?

Would you agree that ancient culture was very different than we are in 21st century and that their expressive language style needs to be understood within that culture not ours?

 

[HeIsHere]

You don't believe there is a mark? And I ask you in another post who you thought the beast was if not Rome.

There was a mark.

 

[pablocito]

Some folks are hoping for a kingdom unlike the the Kingdom of God . The kingdom of God is ...according to His Word
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

You are right about the kingdom of God.

I cannot enter the conversation above because both sides, the Preterist and the Premil (or whatever it is called) are both wrong in their presentations. I am neither one or the other or not even in the middle. These labels that are used to simplify God and the Bible are one-dimensional and is abhorrent to God, for God is infinite dimensional.

Well I guess man really is a one-dimensional being and thus thinking like a man is not wrong. That is the reason why God has given us faith, so that we do not have to think like a son of man, but rather as a son of God. (Big difference). It is faith that is going to enlighten us and bring us through to the other side and not our man-concocted thoughts and deliberations.

It is very simple so that even a child could understand (using their humility) but we as grown up men come with so much baggage of pride and know-it-all so that we have been blinded by our own hard heart.

My suggestion would be to let go of trying to understand the very difficult passages of the bible and come to the bible and to God with a contrite heart and a humble spirit and He will reveal everything to you in his appointed time ( which is usually when you have humbled yourself.) You will be catapulted into the heavens at that time and will be riding the waves, not in a vain frame of mind saying I knew I could do it, but rather saying He did it all.

 

[cv5]

You are right about the kingdom of God.

I cannot enter the conversation above because both sides, the Preterist and the Premil (or whatever it is called) are both wrong in their presentations. I am neither one or the other or not even in the middle. These labels that are used to simplify God and the Bible are one-dimensional and is abhorrent to God, for God is infinite dimensional.

Well I guess man really is a one-dimensional being and thus thinking like a man is not wrong. That is the reason why God has given us faith, so that we do not have to think like a son of man, but rather as a son of God. (Big difference). It is faith that is going to enlighten us and bring us through to the other side and not our man-concocted thoughts and deliberations.

It is very simple so that even a child could understand (using their humility) but we as grown up men come with so much baggage of pride and know-it-all so that we have been blinded by our own hard heart.

My suggestion would be to let go of trying to understand the very difficult passages of the bible and come to the bible and to God with a contrite heart and a humble spirit and He will reveal everything to you in his appointed time ( which is usually when you have humbled yourself.) You will be catapulted into the heavens at that time and will be riding the waves, not in a vain frame of mind saying I knew I could do it, but rather saying He did it all.

The OP concerns signs of end-times and tangentially and concordantly the fate of the Nation Israel. Specific responses would be appreciated. Showing compelling proofs of your theories from Scripture is really what is needed to support any claims of fact.

As to your opinion of preterist or premil.......only one view is and can be correct. In other words, there is yet to be realized an actual real palpable millennial Kingdom on the planet earth, with Jeus as King on His throne in Jerusalem, surrounded by His redeemed people the house of Jacob.....or not.

Thank you.

 

[GaryA]

People who live in Canada are Americans. People who live in Peru are Americans, If they live in South America or Central America or North America then they are all Americans because the Americas are continent's not a country?

Yes - that is the 'original' historical truth.

 

[GaryA]

Demonstrate that to me by parsing out the Greek and posting you own opinion. Otherwise I cannot accept your view.

I will try to address this later... (Please be patient.)

 

[GaryA]

The Greek is crystal clear: "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE".

I totally agree - that phrase is not where the problem lies...

 

[GaryA]

I don't delve into areas I am not sure about.

I tend to be that way myself...

(The last thing I would want to do is promote something that is in error.)

I do not need systems and schemas and have everything all wrapped up in a tidy box with an "I know everything bow!"

Me either...

(None of us knows it all - it would be useless to make such a claim.)

However, I trust Jesus words and "this generation" was the generation in front of him

If you were paying enough attention, you would realize by now that there are things we agree on ("this generation" is one of them) - yet, you seem to respond as if we disagree on absolutely everything. Why is that?

(If I ask you a question so that I may better understand your view - why do you not simply tell me what you believe instead of reacting defensively.)

 

[Beckie]

You are right about the kingdom of God.

I cannot enter the conversation above because both sides, the Preterist and the Premil (or whatever it is called) are both wrong in their presentations. I am neither one or the other or not even in the middle. These labels that are used to simplify God and the Bible are one-dimensional and is abhorrent to God, for God is infinite dimensional.

Well I guess man really is a one-dimensional being and thus thinking like a man is not wrong. That is the reason why God has given us faith, so that we do not have to think like a son of man, but rather as a son of God. (Big difference). It is faith that is going to enlighten us and bring us through to the other side and not our man-concocted thoughts and deliberations.

It is very simple so that even a child could understand (using their humility) but we as grown up men come with so much baggage of pride and know-it-all so that we have been blinded by our own hard heart.

My suggestion would be to let go of trying to understand the very difficult passages of the bible and come to the bible and to God with a contrite heart and a humble spirit and He will reveal everything to you in his appointed time ( which is usually when you have humbled yourself.) You will be catapulted into the heavens at that time and will be riding the waves, not in a vain frame of mind saying I knew I could do it, but rather saying He did it all.

I have not labeled my self. I do not fit into this or that box.

 

[GaryA]

Mark matches Matt 24.

Indeed, it does! Only, Chuck does not match Matthew 24. And, the Mark account shows why...

(You must compare all three accounts to arrive at the proper conclusion.)

I have done so here:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Olivet_Discourse.html

Please take a close look - compare ROWS 8-12 in all three accounts.

Therefore Chuck is correct (and he is one of the best as far as prophecy is concerned) and so am I, and so are the "futurists".

It is really sad that he has (no-doubt) lead so many astray from the truth...

 

[pablocito]

I have not labeled my self. I do not fit into this or that box.

Please forgive me, I was not writing to you but rather to the conversation that was ensuing around this topic.
About you, I was only saying that you were right about the kingdom of God.

 

[GaryA]

Maybe, I have not gotten that far in my study.

Do you not believe that 'God does not lie' and that what He says will happen will happen exactly as He says it will???

At least I don't change the intent of the words of Jesus to suit my own bias.

You might be surprised at just how much you do that - perhaps, without realizing it, of course.

 

[pablocito]

The OP concerns signs of end-times and tangentially and concordantly the fate of the Nation Israel. Specific responses would be appreciated. Showing compelling proofs of your theories from Scripture is really what is needed to support any claims of fact.

As to your opinion of preterist or premil.......only one view is and can be correct. In other words, there is yet to be realized an actual real palpable millennial Kingdom on the planet earth, with Jeus as King on His throne in Jerusalem, surrounded by His redeemed people the house of Jacob.....or not.

Thank you.

There is no Israel in this world of ours today. That kingdom was fulfilled in the 1st Century or thereabouts when Jesus came to the earth.

The bible is not about studying bible prophecy. It is all about seeking God and his righteousness and all these things that you need to understand will be added unto you.

I cannot tell you because apparently things are not given unto you by God else you would be singing a different tune.

 

[GaryA]

The OP concerns signs of end-times and tangentially and concordantly the fate of the Nation Israel.

I went back and read the OP again to see how the nation of Israel was actually particularly-and-specifically included...

Then, I noticed these statements - which I no-doubt read before but "looked past" because I was more interested in the rest of the OP:

Just for the record...

The great & terrible Day of the Lord is also known as the “Great Tribulation” in the New Testament.

This is incorrect. The Day of the Lord refers to the Second Coming of Christ (and, in some contexts, the Millenium). The "Great Tribulation" ends well before that.

This is a period of 7 years just prior Christ’s Millennial reign.

This is also incorrect. There is no 7-year 'prophetic' End Times period. It is not in the Bible anywhere.